Recommendations for osteopath in Canberra?

ScienceRules said :

let’s count the logical fallacies shall we?

1. It doesn’t matter if I’ve had the same health problems as you have, the issue is the effectiveness (or otherwise) of osteopathy.

2. If you really have muscle spasms when people point at them then how were you able to tolerate “a sophisticated form of massage”?

3. They might know more about muscles and nerves than a masseuse but the latter doesn’t pretend to be practicing medicine.

4. It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve said it, science isn’t a religion and never can be. Science change its position the light of evidence. Religion (and osteopaths) do not.

5. I don’t suppose you have any evidence for this lack of peer review do you? Didn’t think so. The scientific and medical world is awash with peer reviewed journals. They are not all top quality and studies have to be assessed on their merits. But that’s how science works.

Medicine isn’t perfect but well meaning quacks don’t contribute one iota of knowledge to the advancement of civilisation.

2. D’uh! Exactly my point?
3. I have never heard an osteo proclaim that they practice medicine really. I have only gone there after seeing other doctors, for some temporary symptom relief. I can’t see why anyone would have a problem with that? If I find that falling backwards onto a trash can cures my back ache, why would you question it?

This post is not the place to be discussing the general flaws in modern day scientific research, so I guess I am sorry that I brought it up. I’ll even take back my statement if you like, because that’s how much I care about starting a debate about anything on the RA.

But osteos get a thumbs up from me. Just only go to the ones that come recommended as – like with any profession – there are plenty out there that won’t help you. Which is what this post was about.

what_the said :

ScienceRules said :

Well I suppose if you MUST see a snake-oil salesman, just choose the cheapest one. Neither osteopathy or chiropractic have any scientific, medical or biological plausibility so if you insist on pissing your money away, just make sure you don’t have anything seriously wrong with you to start with.

Yeah, all these Universities selling these Bachelors of Science in Chiropractic are real snake oil salesman aren’t they. Next you’ll be telling me pyschology is the devil…

It is indeed a great tragedy that Universities have sold out to altmed nonsense. A Bachelor of Science in Chiropractic is as meaninful as a Bachelor of Science in Unicorn Breeding. They are both fantastic fairy stories and just as useful in treating people who are actually sick.

Having these courses available only degrades the value of real degrees.

You obviously never had anything seriously wrong with your bones/muscles/nerves. I don’t do alternative medicine, but I sure as hell wouldn’t let a physio come anywhere near my muscles when they spasm when someone points at them. However, I have been to osteos in those situations and walked out almost pain-free. What’s more, the treatment didn’t hurt either. I see it as a sophisticated form of massage, only they have a hell of a lot more knowledge about the skeleton and the muscle and nerve system than the average masseuse.

I’ve said it before, science is the new religion. Scientists and their financiers pick and choose what and how they test, peer review is pretty much non-existent these days and it can hardly be called objective anymore.

let’s count the logical fallacies shall we?

1. It doesn’t matter if I’ve had the same health problems as you have, the issue is the effectiveness (or otherwise) of osteopathy.

2. If you really have muscle spasms when people point at them then how were you able to tolerate “a sophisticated form of massage”?

3. They might know more about muscles and nerves than a masseuse but the latter doesn’t pretend to be practicing medicine.

4. It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve said it, science isn’t a religion and never can be. Science change its position the light of evidence. Religion (and osteopaths) do not.

5. I don’t suppose you have any evidence for this lack of peer review do you? Didn’t think so. The scientific and medical world is awash with peer reviewed journals. They are not all top quality and studies have to be assessed on their merits. But that’s how science works.

Medicine isn’t perfect but well meaning quacks don’t contribute one iota of knowledge to the advancement of civilisation.

Inappropriate said :

After all, universities aren’t about making money but more about education…

You mean the same universities that fund scientific research?

what_the said :

ScienceRules said :

Well I suppose if you MUST see a snake-oil salesman, just choose the cheapest one. Neither osteopathy or chiropractic have any scientific, medical or biological plausibility so if you insist on pissing your money away, just make sure you don’t have anything seriously wrong with you to start with.

Yeah, all these Universities selling these Bachelors of Science in Chiropractic are real snake oil salesman aren’t they. Next you’ll be telling me pyschology is the devil…

Can’t be snake oil if a university teaches it …

http://handbook.uws.edu.au/HBOOK/course.aspx?course=4597.1 (and http://handbook.uws.edu.au/HBOOK/unit.aspx?unit=400496.1)

After all, universities aren’t about making money but more about education…

ScienceRules said :

Well I suppose if you MUST see a snake-oil salesman, just choose the cheapest one. Neither osteopathy or chiropractic have any scientific, medical or biological plausibility so if you insist on pissing your money away, just make sure you don’t have anything seriously wrong with you to start with.

Yeah, all these Universities selling these Bachelors of Science in Chiropractic are real snake oil salesman aren’t they. Next you’ll be telling me pyschology is the devil…

ScienceRules said :

Well I suppose if you MUST see a snake-oil salesman, just choose the cheapest one. Neither osteopathy or chiropractic have any scientific, medical or biological plausibility so if you insist on pissing your money away, just make sure you don’t have anything seriously wrong with you to start with.

You obviously never had anything seriously wrong with your bones/muscles/nerves. I don’t do alternative medicine, but I sure as hell wouldn’t let a physio come anywhere near my muscles when they spasm when someone points at them. However, I have been to osteos in those situations and walked out almost pain-free. What’s more, the treatment didn’t hurt either. I see it as a sophisticated form of massage, only they have a hell of a lot more knowledge about the skeleton and the muscle and nerve system than the average masseuse.

I’ve said it before, science is the new religion. Scientists and their financiers pick and choose what and how they test, peer review is pretty much non-existent these days and it can hardly be called objective anymore.

Well I suppose if you MUST see a snake-oil salesman, just choose the cheapest one. Neither osteopathy or chiropractic have any scientific, medical or biological plausibility so if you insist on pissing your money away, just make sure you don’t have anything seriously wrong with you to start with.

Dr Mark Tapper at Belconnen Chiropractic at Emu Bank. He is brilliant – has improved my life/health very much for the better.

From personal experience I went down the Osteo path and it was pretty crap. The best results I’ve ever had are from the Comyns Clinic in Manuka, they practice chriopractic and some pretty out nueral techniques in combination.

I know it’s not in that area but I only go to Fraval’s practice in Kambah. I live and work in the Inner North, but will make the trip because they are worth it. Fraval himself only treats kids, I’m pretty sure. But all of the others in the practice are highly recommended. I think they all specialise in kids too, but will treat adults too.

I have suffered from a chronic arthritis type condition for over 20 years and I have been to that practice with very painful pinched nerves and spasming muscle. I wouldn’t let anyone else even come near me when I’m that bad but they performed miracles.

They do babble on a bit about diet and how you should not eat anything that is vaguely yummy and how they can feel that you twisted your ankle at the playground on a sunny Thursday afternoon in March when you were 8 and 3 months. But they do know what they are doing and have the ‘magic touch’ that characterises a truly good osteo.

I saw Belinda at Inner North, but I tought she was a bit clumsy and I came out hurting more than when I came in. I was in a very bad way though.

I would highly recommend Canberra City Osteopathy – 6247 0733

Leinna said :

See a real health professional?

They are.

See a real health professional?

I have been going to Inner North Osteopathy (6262 5300) for a long time, highly recommended.