Woman attacked running around Lake Ginninderra

poetix said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to distinguish between “going for a run” and “getting naked in a civic alley with a violent cokehead”.

But what is the point of drawing that distinction?

Because there is a distinction.

Is there a distinction between a pedestrian who is walking on the footpath and gets hit by a drunk driver, and the drunk driver’s passenger who willingly got in the car with them?

Is there a distinction between a person who is attacked by a dog that breaks into their yard and bites them unprovoked, and a person who gets bitten by a strange dog after they attempt to pat it without checking with the dog’s owner?

Is there a distinction between a person whose bike is stolen because they left it unlocked in a public area, and a person whose bike is stolen by thieves who broke into a secured and locked area?

Is there a distinction between a woman who is attacked while going for a jog in a public area in the middle of the afternoon, and a woman who is attacked after going down an alley in the early hours of the morning to have sex with a strange man who she has just witnessed acting violently in a licensed premises?

Surely, in all four cases you can see one victim was a victim through absolutely no fault of their own. The other victim surely has to realise that they made a poor decision that increased their risk of harm. All of us have a personal responsibility to make decisions about our own safety and to make sure that we don’t put ourselves in situations that any normal person would say are dangerous.

As most of us keep saying ( a few crazies excepted), no-one deserves to be a victim of crime. People who commit crimes don’t deserve to be pardoned or excused or let off in any way because of the choices made by their victims. But surely, we can all recognise the need for individuals to consider their personal safety when making choices.

I know you could argue that everyone should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want without fear. Unfortunately, that’s a utopian dream. There are always going to be bad people. It makes sense to avoid putting yourself in situations where bad people have an easy opportunity to do bad things to you.

Perhaps by people drawing the distinction that you don’t want to be drawn other people in the future may stop for a minute and consider their personal safety when making a decision. If more people take steps to minimise risk to themselves, perhaps we will have less crime, as opportunist criminals see their opportunities taken away.

johnboy said :

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to distinguish between “going for a run” and “getting naked in a civic alley with a violent cokehead”.

+1

The woman in the other thread had clear indications the guy was a knobjockey, this woman was attacked by a random whilst jogging. They’re not even close to being comparable.

poetix said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to distinguish between “going for a run” and “getting naked in a civic alley with a violent cokehead”.

But what is the point of drawing that distinction? Surely it just has the potential to make one person feel worse than her treatment has probably made her feel anyway?

There is a huge difference in terms of taking risk between the two scenarios.

Let’s be very clear – the woman in the alley did not deserve what she got. She did, however, engage in a scenario that was much riskier to her personal safety than the woman going for a run.

If you engage in risky activity, sometimes things go wrong.

Stevian I do not have to justify my postings to you or any other poster on RA other than keeping Johnboy happy with his guidelines. However given that you and a couple of other posters always appear to target my contributions allow me to enlighten and educate you regarding my previous suggestions.

I have two direct family members who are Asian – one a brother-in-law and the others nephews and neices along with Asian extended family members and friends here and interstate. Some of my Asian family members visit barbers who are Asian and the Asian food shops on a regular basis (some people do some do not) yet despite this fact, many people working in stores owned by Asian people, get to know or site their more regular customers who are Asian and/or caucasian.

Btw – most of my closest friends are people from Asian, croatian, polish, greek, italian and Islander backgrounds; most of whom would be laughing at your comment in relation to myself possessing racist thoughts or speech.

Save your attacks for people who are genuinely racist!

scorpio63 said :

A round of Asian barber shops around Canberra, the Asian food shops, nearby fuel stations, along with woolworths cctv coverage within major shopping centres shortly after the attacks can identify offenders more promptly. Police resources do not stretch on many occasions to undertake this type of leg work. I was left to do it myself and caught one of the three buggers on a Ww’s store camera.

Ignoring the vaguely racist tone of your comments, I don’t believe a word of it

poetix said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to distinguish between “going for a run” and “getting naked in a civic alley with a violent cokehead”.

But what is the point of drawing that distinction? Surely it just has the potential to make one person feel worse than her treatment has probably made her feel anyway?

Firstly no one wasn’t blaming the guy in the other thread.
But surely if you break the law while being the victim, and your breaking the law resulted very much in you being the victim then we should simply ignore it because your a woman?

If you break into someones house and the homeowner stabs you. I wont feel as sorry for you as if someone breaks into your house and stabs you! Theres a huge difference.

What was the guys statement from what happened?

A round of Asian barber shops around Canberra, the Asian food shops, nearby fuel stations, along with woolworths cctv coverage within major shopping centres shortly after the attacks can identify offenders more promptly. Police resources do not stretch on many occasions to undertake this type of leg work. I was left to do it myself and caught one of the three buggers on a Ww’s store camera.

johnboy said :

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to distinguish between “going for a run” and “getting naked in a civic alley with a violent cokehead”.

But what is the point of drawing that distinction? Surely it just has the potential to make one person feel worse than her treatment has probably made her feel anyway?

Given this thread has been revived, I can’t help but point out the different responses to this woman being bashed, and the woman in the alley. No patronising comments about behaviour here. Some people can’t help but draw fatuous distinctions between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ women, even where both are victims of similar violence.

I hope both victims are able to make a recovery.

plumtree said :

wtf? cant go out jogging or walking dog with out being bashed up or robbed now?

Yep, stay in, lock your doors, make sure you’ve got supplies to keep you going for a year or 2. We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out.