Election 2012. Showtime

joingler said :

To the Greens supporters claiming BTFC split your vote – YOU ARE IDIOTS (feel free to edit JB).

I know of at least 20 people who voted Bullet Train first but refuse to vote Greens at all. I voted BTFC first then the motorists with a few Libs and Labs afterwards. Shane Rattenbury was my last preference (around 10 or so) as despite the Greens being stupid, Shane is intelligent and actually thinks for himself.

As much as I like Alan Kerlin (I used to look after his kids), I couldn’t vote for him as he seemed to eager to toe the party line with every issue. Shane speaks his thoughts and isn’t afraid to differ slightly from Greens policy.

And about Phillip Pocock, there are many people who vote independent for the sake of voting independent (I would have had Pocock high on my list had I not read about him on here). I agree that it is silly people vote blindly (either for an independent or a party candidate) but it isn’t as bad as believing in his policies. And funnily enough, I actually liked what he had to say about problem gambling (lost the link sorry). It’s just a shame he is misguided on other issues such as gender and sexual equality.

Settle down. No-one’s saying YOU voted this way. It’s about what might have happened among thousands and thousands of votes. When even the television news and CT constantly confuses high speed rail and light rail you know that there’s confusion aplenty out there.

The other thing that bullet train did that didn’t help was to push a line that the greens did nothing for bullet trains (as the person who posted above also said; I figure he got that from the bullet train media).

Nonsense. Look into it, the greens are the only ones to have pushed for it, and now diminished greens in the parliament means diminished chance of bullet train.

It annoys me, because I reckon rail is a great thing, i’m totally with the bullet train party on the need for the train, but now the issue may well go backwards in this new parliament.

poetix said :

bundah said :

poetix said :

And, at the risk of being tedious, Pocock now has nearly 500 votes. That’s a lot.

He’s well on target to getting 700+ votes ie. 7 out of 1000 have voted for him…..disturbing!

Well it disturbs me, anyway. I found myself looking around, trying to figure out who voted for him. They can’t all live in Gungahlin, can they?

Speaking of Gungahlin in a more positive way, bad luck Alan Kerlin. I think you would have been a valuable asset. Though that makes you sound like an investment property…

This is politics!!! Alan was just machine gun fodder to make-up the numbers for the Greens. He was not a true believer.

With the 85.5% of the Ginninderra roll counted, Majlinda Bitani of the Marion Le Social Justice Party has secured 54 votes, luckily that’s above the all time smallest of 30 for Robert Fearn in 2004 (Molonglo).

For Pocock it’s currently 553 – putting him 23rd from 26 (ahead of Biggs, Gardner (LDP) and Jha (LDP))

My postal vote for Ginninderra is no doubt still winging it’s way to Election ACT central.

yellowsnow said :

Zan said :

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

+1

You’ve summed out some of my main gripes with the ACT Govt quite nicely – and they all have to do with ACTRoads. Those guys need a serious shake-up

The ACT is the highest income, highest taxed part of Australia – yet looking at the quality of the road resurfacing (i.e. the el cheopo chip seal stuff that’s really difficult to drive or ride a bike on) on many roads you wouldn’t know it. They say they do it to cut costs, because asphalt is too expensive – yet other cities seem able to afford asphalt. Despite this penny-pinching in existing suburbs, RoadsACT are happy to spend $14million on 800m of an over-engineered new road in a new suburb, and even that gets 14 months to build, with a constantly moving completion date that somehow never eventuates. Contract management or project planning certainly ain’t their strong suit.

Then there’s my other bugbear: traffic light sequencing – why aren’t the lights on main roads better synchronised? I’m sick of getting one red light after another after another on Northbourne, Hindmarsh, Ginnininderra Drive or Drakeford – even at night or in the middle of the day when there is minimal cross-street traffic. It’s infuriating – and results in many people rat running to avoid the lights, or speeding to try and beat the lights. In other cities the lights seem to be programmed more intelligently, to help traffic flow more efficiently. In the ACT, I suspect monkeys do it.

Well articulated and the bloody annoying thing is that this has been the case for decades.I seem to recall reading that since self guvment was imposed on the ACT the expenditure on roads has effectively been cut in half due to budgetary constraints.Assuming this is actually the case, frustratingly,the unacceptable status quo will remain.

Zan said :

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

+1

You’ve summed out some of my main gripes with the ACT Govt quite nicely – and they all have to do with ACTRoads. Those guys need a serious shake-up

The ACT is the highest income, highest taxed part of Australia – yet looking at the quality of the road resurfacing (i.e. the el cheopo chip seal stuff that’s really difficult to drive or ride a bike on) on many roads you wouldn’t know it. They say they do it to cut costs, because asphalt is too expensive – yet other cities seem able to afford asphalt. Despite this penny-pinching in existing suburbs, RoadsACT are happy to spend $14million on 800m of an over-engineered new road in a new suburb, and even that gets 14 months to build, with a constantly moving completion date that somehow never eventuates. Contract management or project planning certainly ain’t their strong suit.

Then there’s my other bugbear: traffic light sequencing – why aren’t the lights on main roads better synchronised? I’m sick of getting one red light after another after another on Northbourne, Hindmarsh, Ginnininderra Drive or Drakeford – even at night or in the middle of the day when there is minimal cross-street traffic. It’s infuriating – and results in many people rat running to avoid the lights, or speeding to try and beat the lights. In other cities the lights seem to be programmed more intelligently, to help traffic flow more efficiently. In the ACT, I suspect monkeys do it.

c_c said :

Zan said :

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

haha, someone who’s never driven on a road outside Canberra obviously. Or for that matter on Canberra roads under the last Liberal government.

Comparing apples with oranges rarely works.

Zan said :

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

haha, someone who’s never driven on a road outside Canberra obviously. Or for that matter on Canberra roads under the last Liberal government.

poetix said :

I would like to be a moth, mozzie or fly on the wall next time JB and Noel Towell meet…

You’d just be bugging them…

Zan said :

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

Not to mention Wentworth Avenue. Absolute effing goat track between Friday Apartments and Telopea Park. What’s going on ACT Roads?

WillowJim said :

drfelonious said :

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia.

You must be joking. Heaps of people at my work had no idea about the vote on Friday. When I lived in Newcastle, everyone had an opinion about the council elections.

APS staff may pay attention to federal politics, but, from my experience, most are clueless about their own city.

Can’t say about the Newcastle thing, but the last statement is certainly true. Canberrans seem quite adept at confusion federal and territory issues, in my experience and opinion.

I think that many people are fed up with Labor/Greens and the state of the roads in Canberra: poor re-sealing, after a couple of months it is so shoddy; sink holes popping up everywhere every time it rains, big enough for small scooters and motorbikes to break wheels; wide two laned roads are painted with white lines so that the peddleing people can have half the road.

Just heard Abbott say that if the Greens don’t support the Liberals then a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.

Of course the Liberals and the Greens have so much in common that i can’t tell the difference!

screaming banshee said :

WillowJim said :

drfelonious said :

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia.

You must be joking. Heaps of people at my work had no idea about the vote on Friday. When I lived in Newcastle, everyone had an opinion about the council elections.

APS staff may pay attention to federal politics, but, from my experience, most are clueless about their own city.

I think the issue is that there is no-one worth voting for. Most probably would have had an easier time numbering backwards.

Certainly the way I felt. I knew I didn’t want to give any preference to Joy Burch, and I didn’t, mainly for what she’s doing to the fitter’s workshop. Case of going in knowing who not to vote for, but rather indifferent about who to vote for. The minor candidates don’t tend to say what they stand for.

WillowJim said :

drfelonious said :

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia.

You must be joking. Heaps of people at my work had no idea about the vote on Friday. When I lived in Newcastle, everyone had an opinion about the council elections.

APS staff may pay attention to federal politics, but, from my experience, most are clueless about their own city.

I think the issue is that there is no-one worth voting for. Most probably would have had an easier time numbering backwards.

To the Greens supporters claiming BTFC split your vote – YOU ARE IDIOTS (feel free to edit JB).

I know of at least 20 people who voted Bullet Train first but refuse to vote Greens at all. I voted BTFC first then the motorists with a few Libs and Labs afterwards. Shane Rattenbury was my last preference (around 10 or so) as despite the Greens being stupid, Shane is intelligent and actually thinks for himself.

As much as I like Alan Kerlin (I used to look after his kids), I couldn’t vote for him as he seemed to eager to toe the party line with every issue. Shane speaks his thoughts and isn’t afraid to differ slightly from Greens policy.

And about Phillip Pocock, there are many people who vote independent for the sake of voting independent (I would have had Pocock high on my list had I not read about him on here). I agree that it is silly people vote blindly (either for an independent or a party candidate) but it isn’t as bad as believing in his policies. And funnily enough, I actually liked what he had to say about problem gambling (lost the link sorry). It’s just a shame he is misguided on other issues such as gender and sexual equality.

WillowJim said :

drfelonious said :

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia.

You must be joking. Heaps of people at my work had no idea about the vote on Friday. When I lived in Newcastle, everyone had an opinion about the council elections.

APS staff may pay attention to federal politics, but, from my experience, most are clueless about their own city.

+1.

drfelonious said :

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia.

You must be joking. Heaps of people at my work had no idea about the vote on Friday. When I lived in Newcastle, everyone had an opinion about the council elections.

APS staff may pay attention to federal politics, but, from my experience, most are clueless about their own city.

Pandy said :

I am dancing on the graves of the Greens!!!

Lets hope the Libs do gain power and multiple billion dollar white effluent dreams of light rail are scuttled.

Did you mean to use “effluent” instead of “affluent or was it a freudian slip?

It is arrogant in the extreme for Green supporters to complain that Bullet Train voters “split” the Green vote.

This is Canberra – the best informed voting population in Australia. I for one voted for the Bullet Train and deliberately refused to pass on my preferences to the Greens because I happen to think the local Green politicians are NIMBYs. They could never get a bullet train up because they would be worried about how it might affect the house values/ambience/frog and insect habitats of their constituency.

How dare the Green supporters assume that my support for a bullet train concept somehow gives them ownership over my vote. The gall!

bundah said :

poetix said :

And, at the risk of being tedious, Pocock now has nearly 500 votes. That’s a lot.

He’s well on target to getting 700+ votes ie. 7 out of 1000 have voted for him…..disturbing!

Well it disturbs me, anyway. I found myself looking around, trying to figure out who voted for him. They can’t all live in Gungahlin, can they?

Speaking of Gungahlin in a more positive way, bad luck Alan Kerlin. I think you would have been a valuable asset. Though that makes you sound like an investment property…

johnboy said :

Liberals are more of a WIN crowd. I could go cockup or conspiracy here.

Wait to see if Meredith’s even in the Assembly before worrying about her hurt feelings.

meh, politics is rough and tumble. Hunter’s feelings never entered my mind. My point is Zed doing what he did speaks to his character and his strategic thinking. Choosing to speak over the Greens, and making a virtual victory speech, basically screams arrogance and ignorance.

Masquara said :

You’re being a little disingenuous if not dishonest here C-C – it was obviously the ABC who crossed from Meredith Hunter’s speech Zed (didn’t you hear Hausseger apologising to her for leaving her?) – this can’t possibly be sheeted home to the Libs.

The ABC crossed from one to the other because Zed started talking before Merideth Hunter had finished. These folks are watching the ABC coverage, they would have known she was still talking but went ahead anyway, knowing full well ABC would swap their coverage as he did.

What a stupid comment.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Somebody explain to Masquara that there’s a thing called ‘Twitter’ now, and that this isn’t it?

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I have been on twitter since 2007.

johnboy said :

There’s never been a first time.

But there may be…I don’t think it will be air kisses.

I would like to be a moth, mozzie or fly on the wall next time JB and Noel Towell meet…

kakosi said :

Seeing Kate Carnell speaking on ABC 1 about this election brought flashbacks of that lethal hospital explosion and her fingers on the plunger.

You kill one little girl and they never let you live it down…

poetix said :

And, at the risk of being tedious, Pocock now has nearly 500 votes. That’s a lot.

He’s well on target to getting 700+ votes ie. 7 out of 1000 have voted for him…..disturbing!

Darkfalz said :

watto23 said :

ITony abbott is not fit to lead the country, Zed i could handle.

Abbott is going to win the next election, and he’ll be an excellent prime minister. The current rabble is an absolute disgrace and has sunk to the lowest of the low in terms of attacks and strategy (you can credit their import McTernan for that). The federal election cannot come soon enough.

Barr is making a real arrogant mug of himself on the ABC’s election panel. This guy is a disgrace.

You… I just…. I mean… Gah! “The ALP has sunk to the lowest of the low in terms of attacks”? How so, because Gillard rightly pointed out what a pig Abbott is? And I’m not one of the folks riding the new wave of feminism, most of the new wave just like to find things to piss and moan about rather than make any meaningful progress towards equality, but Abbott is a troglodyte who has shown his lack of respect for women (or wimmins, if you prefer) on several occasions, as well as demonstrating a lack of sense and class. The rest of your comment I don’t think I can touch while remaining civil.

I sure do hope folks like you are the last of a dying breed, DF. HenryBG is crazy as a sack of cats so you can kind of deal with the stuff he says, but you seem like a normal guy with a severely unfortunate set of values which is actually scary. I can’t just write you off as being a lone nut.

johnboy said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So him making a prediction based on an (as far as we know) statistically representative poll and putting that out in the media is bad, but you making a prediction based on…what, exactly? and putting that out there is good? Because hindsight?

Nobody like the Crimes, JB, but you’re coming off a bit of a sook here. There but for the toss of a few quantum coins goes you.

Firstly a lone poll two days before real voting was as useless as tits on a bull. Two weeks before? At the start of the campaign? Useful. Two days before? Why not let the electors just do their business?

But my issue is not with presenting poll results, craptacular as those were. It was announcing the election as a foregone conclusion. Which is not within the remit of any media outlet.

Agreed, however was CT’s 30k if that circulation really influencing anyone?

johnboy said :

c_c said :

Ouch, this is getting a bit personal. Some history?

No history before on Thursday some Irish tosser decided democracy was less important than a strong headline.

WTF has being Irish got to do with anything?

And, at the risk of being tedious, Pocock now has nearly 500 votes. That’s a lot.

chewy14 said :

Kiron2222 said :

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

Oops.

How are the left voting for Bullet train? I think the Greens honeymoon is simply over.

Sure, ‘honeymoon’ could be over, swing against green because people didn’t like them etc.

But also plenty of people go “I’m going to give my first vote to a small, progressive party before backing that up with a major”. Bullet train would have taken some of them instead of greens. Plus, i can guarantee plenty of people still don’t know how the system works – they just put bullet train down and assume preferences flow somewhere good.

BrassRazoo said :

With the Canberra Liberals looking increasingly like a subsidiary of the Catholic Church and almost $50 million in additional funding pledged by the Liberals to so-called ‘disadvantaged non-public schools’ (now, which might those be?),

For every $1 spent on a student in public school, the ACT government spends less than 20c on a student in a non-government school.

The Libs have quite rightly vowed to fix this pernicious disparity and the parents of the 44% of ACT students who attend those underfunded schools should have voted accordingly.

And if idiots like BrassRazoo get their way, I’d love to see another Catholic Schools strike. It took 3 days for the government to capitulate last time, I doubt BrassRazoo’s ideology would last any longer next time around.

And judging by the ALP’s recent abject fail when they challenged the Little Company of Mary to an ideological battle, I’d say they wouldn’t even last 3 days.

After all, who wouldn’t blanch at the thought of the education budget tripling overnight?

chewy14 said :

Kiron2222 said :

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

Oops.

How are the left voting for Bullet train? I think the Greens honeymoon is simply over.

Just like the Bob Brown effect at federal level, the Kerry Tucker effect kept the Greens riding high well past her retirement. Tucker was an articulate, charismatic politician and one who actually stuck to Green issues and principles. Not like the Weasel, feathernester Greens we’ve had for the last four years. btw what will Simon Corbell’s superannuation salary be?

johnboy said :

bundah said :

I’m sticking to my comments around 7 last night:

It’s all over Barr the shouting. Katy to rule the roost again!

Looks like the libs are gonna take a couple of seats at the greens expense.

Likely, yes.

But look at the quotas in Ginninderra and there are a lot of ballots still to go to their number 2 preference. Chic Henry is not going to be excluded early.

So it’s game on.

And, in the interest of fairness, some congratulations must go to Alistair Coe.

I suspected Chic would poll well but he has gone gangbusters! Of course the fat lady hasn’t sung yet but agreed the more likely outcome is Labor will be back with Greens support.

bundah said :

I’m sticking to my comments around 7 last night:

It’s all over Barr the shouting. Katy to rule the roost again!

Looks like the libs are gonna take a couple of seats at the greens expense.

Likely, yes.

But look at the quotas in Ginninderra and there are a lot of ballots still to go to their number 2 preference. Chic Henry is not going to be excluded early.

So it’s game on.

And, in the interest of fairness, some congratulations must go to Alistair Coe.

johnboy said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So him making a prediction based on an (as far as we know) statistically representative poll and putting that out in the media is bad, but you making a prediction based on…what, exactly? and putting that out there is good? Because hindsight?

Nobody like the Crimes, JB, but you’re coming off a bit of a sook here. There but for the toss of a few quantum coins goes you.

Firstly a lone poll two days before real voting was as useless as tits on a bull. Two weeks before? At the start of the campaign? Useful. Two days before? Why not let the electors just do their business?

But my issue is not with presenting poll results, craptacular as those were. It was announcing the election as a foregone conclusion. Which is not within the remit of any media outlet.

I’m sticking to my comments around 7 last night:

It’s all over Barr the shouting. Katy to rule the roost again!

Looks like the libs are gonna take a couple of seats at the greens expense.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So him making a prediction based on an (as far as we know) statistically representative poll and putting that out in the media is bad, but you making a prediction based on…what, exactly? and putting that out there is good? Because hindsight?

Nobody like the Crimes, JB, but you’re coming off a bit of a sook here. There but for the toss of a few quantum coins goes you.

Firstly a lone poll two days before real voting was as useless as tits on a bull. Two weeks before? At the start of the campaign? Useful. Two days before? Why not let the electors just do their business?

But my issue is not with presenting poll results, craptacular as those were. It was announcing the election as a foregone conclusion. Which is not within the remit of any media outlet.

Somebody explain to Masquara that there’s a thing called ‘Twitter’ now, and that this isn’t it?

If he’d gotten that call right then I’d pipe down, but seeing as the results accord with what I predicted without a poll I’m going to be administering a right leathering.

So him making a prediction based on an (as far as we know) statistically representative poll and putting that out in the media is bad, but you making a prediction based on…what, exactly? and putting that out there is good? Because hindsight?

Nobody like the Crimes, JB, but you’re coming off a bit of a sook here. There but for the toss of a few quantum coins goes you.

johnboy said :

So Noel Towell?

The man who called the election for Labor on Thursday.

A journalist’s arsehole? Or not quite that?

Over to you

Well, despite me thinking he’s a biased arsehole, I would suggest his greatest achievement wlll be ensuring the Canberra Times is closed by Christmas.

You recon the bookies want their money back?

Kiron2222 said :

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

Oops.

How are the left voting for Bullet train? I think the Greens honeymoon is simply over.

With the Canberra Liberals looking increasingly like a subsidiary of the Catholic Church and almost $50 million in additional funding pledged by the Liberals to so-called ‘disadvantaged non-public schools’ (now, which might those be?), perhaps it’s time to consider the part religious allegiances played in this election result. Where did Liberal leader Zed Seselja mobilise his huge pre-poll vote, pray tell?

I am dancing on the graves of the Greens!!!

Lets hope the Libs do gain power and multiple billion dollar white effluent dreams of light rail are scuttled.

Kiron2222 said :

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

That’s a reasonable reading on the Molonglo and Ginninderra results, not so much in Brindabella.

If it is true though, you’d expect those BTC votes to mostly flow back to the Greens in preferences anyway. You don’t really “split the vote” under Hare-Clarke, unless a lot of those BTC votes exhaust because they didn’t bother to preference on.

We’ll see when the distribution of preferences is done.

“A journalist’s arsehole? Or not quite that?”

“Any loss for Simon Corbell should be sheeted straight home to his habit of dwelling in the pockets of the developers.”

“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”

Six months after Stanhope’s resignation, I pitched that we (the Crimes) should examine where Stanhope’s staff ended up, specifically if any had taken up positions with the likes of the Village Building Company. Within minutes a certain “journalist” called, haranguing me about whether my intentions were hostile. Orders later came down to drop the story.

If the Libs can stitch together government somehow, my advice would be set up an inquiry – stat. Investigate the relationships between developers, ministers, their staff and certain media outlets. Tack on a revue of government advertising practices while you’re at it.

c_c said :

Zed is on a trip, a very big trip … interrupting Merideth Hunter’s speech

You’re being a little disingenuous if not dishonest here C-C – it was obviously the ABC who crossed from Meredith Hunter’s speech Zed (didn’t you hear Hausseger apologising to her for leaving her?) – this can’t possibly be sheeted home to the Libs.

Kiron2222 said :

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

Oops.

Wotta loada crap.

If somebody who would otherwise vote Green decides to vote Bullet Train, and Bullet Train doesn’t achieve a quota, then the preference behind Bullet Train will get the vote. If they haven’t preferenced Green behind Bullet Train, then the presence of Bullet Train on the ballot paper is utterly irrelevant to the Greens not getting their vote.

Good to see the Greens f***** though.
Perhaps somebody can sack them all and re-employ some Greens who actually care about the environment instead of fringe-nonsense crypto-marxist obsessions.

Interesting to hear chic Henry on the radio stating that people from the Liberal party had asked him to run again, also interesting to hear Brendan smyth deny that on tv.

In his ‘victory’ speech Zed Seselja showed why he is intelligible to govern, immediately on the offensive attacking the greens. No sense of timing and as always shoots from the hip – it was the same knee jerk thing with the plastic bag ban overturn.

zippyzippy said :

So, liberals may have enough to govern, with their brilliant agenda of introducing plastic bags, undoing progressive tax reform, cutting public transport, skipping the rules that govern office management and election advertising, no light rail etc.

Enjoy going backwards, Canberra.

Special kudos to the bullet train party for helping reduce the Greens vote, the best way to ensure that Canberra does NOT get a bullet train.

Huh! John Moulis’s YouTube video worked 😀

As I feared, the swing against Greens seems to be votes going for Bullet Train for Canberra. By splitting the left vote, they have basically f****d the Greens and any chance of actual progress in that area.

Oops.

zippyzippy said :

So, liberals may have enough to govern, with their brilliant agenda of introducing plastic bags, undoing progressive tax reform, cutting public transport, skipping the rules that govern office management and election advertising, no light rail etc.

Enjoy going backwards, Canberra.

Special kudos to the bullet train party for helping reduce the Greens vote, the best way to ensure that Canberra does NOT get a bullet train.

The Libs could get in? Maybe those stupid roadway signs worked…

Wonder if the pollies will actually go out and clean up their own rubbish now the election’s done?

So, liberals may have enough to govern, with their brilliant agenda of introducing plastic bags, undoing progressive tax reform, cutting public transport, skipping the rules that govern office management and election advertising, no light rail etc.

Enjoy going backwards, Canberra.

Special kudos to the bullet train party for helping reduce the Greens vote, the best way to ensure that Canberra does NOT get a bullet train.

c_c said :

Ouch, this is getting a bit personal. Some history?

No history before on Thursday some Irish tosser decided democracy was less important than a strong headline.

I take that pretty seriously.

If he’d gotten that call right then I’d pipe down, but seeing as the results accord with what I predicted without a poll I’m going to be administering a right leathering.

Until the voters get to vote no poll should be taken as gospel.

Watching The Italian Job on ABC2- a ne’er well to do steals riches from under the nose of the Turin mafia, and almost gets away with it, but the conclusion is finely balanced. Kinda like the ACT elections.

“And the only way we’re going to get through this is if we act like a team- and that means do everything I say.”

Darkfalz said :

Labor hasn’t “retained” their seats / share of the vote. I’d say they lost one to the Liberals, gained one from the Greens, and the Libs gained the other one. They don’t really expect us to believe a bunch of Greens voters moved past them to the Libs? There was no “labor swing”, it’s a flow to the right across all parties. In Canberra of all places. Bad signs for Federal Labor, they are really on the nose.

For once I actually agree with you. Simultaneous Green-Labor and Labor-Liberal swings. The fact that Labor got a positive swing in Molonglo bears this out. Overall the biggest losers are probably the Greens… as well as the people of Canberra.

No tweets commiserating with the Greens … as you’d think, they’re useful while in their seats … but not much liked by the Labor twitterati.

slashdot said :

From http://poliquant.com

Brindabella -5.5%
Ginninderra -3.6%
Molonglo -4.1%

Brindabella -0.5%
Ginninderra -0.4%
Molonglo +4.7%

Swings for Liberals
Brindabella +10.5%
Ginninderra +5.5%
Molonglo +4.3%

Looks like the swing to Labor was confined to Molonglo. Interesting

Have to keep in mind that Molonglo was the only electorate where Labor didn’t loose a long-time, in in the case of Stanhope, electorally very strong incumbent.

Zed is on a trip, a very big trip. He’s claiming victory, or at least legitimacy to govern. Just fiction, yes he got a swing, but so did Labor.

The Liberals profited from the decline of the minor parties and the Greens this time.

If Zed does legitimately hold a hope of making government, interrupting Merideth Hunter’s speech and acting like a jack-ass for the past term towards them sure isn’t great tactically. More likely he knows the Greens won’t get on board so he’s just lining things up for another four years of bitching that the government isn’t legitimate, just as Abbott has done federally.

Pocock now at 483, 3rd most popular ungrouped and ahead of LibDems. Whether deliberate votes or apathy, it’s disgusting.

johnboy said :

So Noel Towell?

The man who called the election for Labor on Thursday.

A journalist’s arsehole? Or not quite that?

Over to you

Ouch, this is getting a bit personal. Some history?

Noel Towell: Lone, Wet, LOL…

Sometimes I wish I did tweet. Speaking of which, I bet he’s gone a tad quiet on Twitter right now?

Darkfalz said :

bundah said :

kakosi said :

bundah said :

poetix said :

Pocock 237 votes…

273 nutters atm

or 273 people who have no idea who he is and just saw “independent” above his name.

Yeah or a mixture of the two

You forgot the people who believed the Canberra times was right and decided to do a joke vote.

Regardless of the reasons why the fact that he has 0.7% of the vote in Molonglo is disgusting!!

From http://poliquant.com

Brindabella -5.5%
Ginninderra -3.6%
Molonglo -4.1%

Brindabella -0.5%
Ginninderra -0.4%
Molonglo +4.7%

Swings for Liberals
Brindabella +10.5%
Ginninderra +5.5%
Molonglo +4.3%

Looks like the swing to Labor was confined to Molonglo. Interesting

bundah said :

kakosi said :

bundah said :

poetix said :

Pocock 237 votes…

273 nutters atm

or 273 people who have no idea who he is and just saw “independent” above his name.

Yeah or a mixture of the two

You forgot the people who believed the Canberra times was right and decided to do a joke vote.

What is it with female labor leaders with their snide, snarky remarks immediately followed by “we’re not the party of negativity”? Lost a lot of respect for Katy here, and I liked her a lot better than Stanhope. Lundy and SHY tag-teaming the very reserved Gary Humphries shows the real story of civility amongst the three parties.

Labor hasn’t “retained” their seats / share of the vote. I’d say they lost one to the Liberals, gained one from the Greens, and the Libs gained the other one. They don’t really expect us to believe a bunch of Greens voters moved past them to the Libs? There was no “labor swing”, it’s a flow to the right across all parties. In Canberra of all places. Bad signs for Federal Labor, they are really on the nose.

Gallagher sounds a bit tired.

It’ll be interesting to see what the Insiders panel makes of this tomorrow, from a federal POV.

Masquara said :

Apparently there’s a classic “Labor dynasty” thing happening, with Chris Bourke shunted out by Wayne Berry’s daughter.

I don’t know you could call it that. I live in Gininderra and prior to the election campaign had never heard of Chris Bourke. I get the occasional newletter from Mary Porter, so at least know she exists and remembers that she has an electorate. In the election campaign, I got one or two flyers from CB in the final week or two. That’s it. Yvette Berry put in a much greater effort in my area. I’ve been aware of her for several months, so was more inclined to go and find out about her.

kakosi said :

bundah said :

poetix said :

Pocock 237 votes…

273 nutters atm

or 273 people who have no idea who he is and just saw “independent” above his name.

Yeah or a mixture of the two

Tetranitrate said :

kakosi said :

Seeing Kate Carnell speaking on ABC 1 about this election brought flashbacks of that lethal hospital explosion and her fingers on the plunger.

Certainly a blast from the past – personally I always tended to get these terrible visions of charred corpses whenever Stanhope was on TV.

Self-government has indeed been a total failure.

Masquara said :

Sarah Hanson Young somehow pretending that having the inner north, heartland Green vote drop to the level of the federal Green vote is somehow “holding to the trend”!

Smug central…

bundah said :

poetix said :

Pocock 237 votes…

273 nutters atm

or 273 people who have no idea who he is and just saw “independent” above his name.

There goes partisan Virginia showing her leftie colours, pretending that Zed delivered a premature victory speech. On the ABC payroll as a journalist.

Any loss for Simon Corbell should be sheeted straight home to his habit of dwelling in the pockets of the developers.

Apparently there’s a classic “Labor dynasty” thing happening, with Chris Bourke shunted out by Wayne Berry’s daughter.

Sarah Hanson Young somehow pretending that having the inner north, heartland Green vote drop to the level of the federal Green vote is somehow “holding to the trend”!

johnboy said :

So Noel Towell?

The man who called the election for Labor on Thursday.

A journalist’s arsehole? Or not quite that?

Over to you

Perhaps we could say a claytons journalist not unlike Zed’s claytons victory speech.

johnboy said :

So Noel Towell?

The man who called the election for Labor on Thursday.

A journalist’s arsehole? Or not quite that?

Over to you

Come on lets not call out Andrews Buddy out ha! however it all comes out in the rain!going to be tricky however a think a green is on side of the libs !

Could Sarah Hanson Young be a more arrogant sh*t herself? Greens should be very careful or they will be wiped out at federal level on the back of this attitude.

Just watched Prohibition on SBS. The reason the 18th(?) Amendment is no longer is because when the time came that prohibition became unpopular, the proponents of the amendment didn’t become moderate, allowing some give and take, but uistead became even more intolerant. Result? 18th Amendment gone.

I think Zed, despite his bluster earlier today, will be a bit more accommodating in the next week or so.

Rotten, rotten sh*t of a Kate Lundy. Redolent of the feds. “Power at ANY cost”.

c_c said :

Also I will at this point eat my words about Zed not making it back in. While Doszpot has paid a price moving to Molonglo, Zed is surging ahead. 1.7 quotas, can’t believe it.

Katy Gallagher has over 2 quotas now. So both leaders of the major parties have done well.

And Pocock’s vote continues to climb. Just under 400.

So ABC cuts off the greens to go to Zed who claims Labor and the greens have been rejected. It seems yet again they have their facts wrong since Labor at this point has an overall vote 38.9% to Liberals 38.1%.

bundah said :

Chic’s almost level pegging with Meredith Hunter!

I read that too quickly and got entirely the wrong idea.

Finally understood this “quota” system….

So if a candidate gets 1.0 then they’ve secured themself on the position on the MLA.

Jivrashia said :

Why is there a constant breeze for any panellist left of Virginia Haussegger?

Judging by what’s happening to the left tonight, I’d say its a metaphor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

Also I will at this point eat my words about Zed not making it back in. While Doszpot has paid a price moving to Molonglo, Zed is surging ahead. 1.7 quotas, can’t believe it.

Chic’s almost level pegging with Meredith Hunter!

Val Jeffrey in Brindabella on 0.2 quota, half what he got in the last election and despite his radio ad campaign this time round. Interesting, wonder if joining the Libs helped of hindered him?

Philip Pocock now on 356 votes, making me think there’s some organised group perhaps supporting him rather than just Canberra’s many, varied nutjobs. That now puts him ahead of Trisha Jha of the LibDems (and 3 behind Ian Gardener), which makes it all the more f-ed up.

I wouldn’t write Amanda Bresnan off yet, but it’s look difficult. She will rely heavily on Hare-Clarke working it’s magic, as will Simon Corbell who my gut says is probably (and quite unfortunately) going to be sent packing this time.

poetix said :

Pocock 237 votes…

273 nutters atm

Why is there a constant breeze for any panellist left of Virginia Haussegger?

kakosi said :

Seeing Kate Carnell speaking on ABC 1 about this election brought flashbacks of that lethal hospital explosion and her fingers on the plunger.

Certainly a blast from the past – personally I always tended to get these terrible visions of charred corpses whenever Stanhope was on TV.

Bloody hell, how annoying is Virginia Haussegger?! And do we really need a live panel and count as if this is a big election?

Pocock 237 votes…

Seeing Kate Carnell speaking on ABC 1 about this election brought flashbacks of that lethal hospital explosion and her fingers on the plunger.

Yep, 8/7/2 unless something very dramatic happens.

I predict a minority Labor government with the Greens. After all, it’s gone so well for their Federal counterparts.

WIN are calling it 8-7-2 (Lib/Lab/Grn) and a return of the Labor government with the support of the (dimished) Greens at 8:30pm.

c_c said :

One campaign finished, a new one just begun.

As long as this one doesn’t feature roadside placards until 2016, I can handle that…

Kate Lundy trying so much spin she’ll need a compass and a guide dog to help her home tonight.

Liberals have definitely changed tact, they know they won’t make a majority in their own right, so they’re now laying it on the Greens to be “honest brokers” and reflect the will of the people to make them the government. One campaign finished, a new one just begun.

c_c said :

Looks like voting has stalled. Numbers haven’t seemed to change in 45mins.

Ha ha for a moment there I was going to correct you to “counting”.

Looks like the greens are copping a bit of a bollocking.

Looks like voting has stalled. Numbers haven’t seemed to change in 45mins.

Primal said :

Except for Chic, AMP isn’t going anywhere. Getting beaten or matched by Bullet Train in just about all other cases.

Chic was always the only serious AMP candidate. In all likelihood the only reason they ran others at all was AEC funding.

Brendan Smith is already trying to make the case that Zed is the preferred CM, cue pitch to the greens. Cute.

That said this result is blowing the CT out of the water.

Here we go. Brendon Smyth is claiming whatever the result tonight, Zed is the new legitimate Chief Minister, even if Labor and the Greens want to ignore the people’s will. Meanwhile Virginia Hauseger is claiming the Canberra Times poll is proof he isn’t. Both being stupid in the process.

johnboy said :

It’ll be fascinating to see how the CT announcing the winners on bogus polling data shifts the election day voting.

Won’t someone think of the bookies? Think of the bookies people!

watto23 said :

ITony abbott is not fit to lead the country, Zed i could handle.

Abbott is going to win the next election, and he’ll be an excellent prime minister. The current rabble is an absolute disgrace and has sunk to the lowest of the low in terms of attacks and strategy (you can credit their import McTernan for that). The federal election cannot come soon enough.

Barr is making a real arrogant mug of himself on the ABC’s election panel. This guy is a disgrace.

Except for Chic, AMP isn’t going anywhere. Getting beaten or matched by Bullet Train in just about all other cases.

Looking like 7+2 v 8. How depressing. So close yet so far. Minority governments are one thing, but having the Greens holding the balance of power instead of a centrist party is actually worse than having Labor take it outright.

Oh my goodness, Chris Burke just tried to literally blame the weather already, claiming windy conditions may have made voting difficult. Seriously?

Chic Henry in statesman mode is hilarious! Stating his plans as though he’s a shoo-in!

Jivrashia said :

“Pre-pollers vote Liberal”

WTF? Seriously WTF??

Masquara said :

Love the Labor commenter crediting that Labor voters get out of bed later than Liberals … confident the chavs will bring them home later in the day …

It’s apparently a common wisdom among the pundits that early voters are conservative – and that prepolls favour conservatives because they are more likely to be going on holidays. However, I think this election everyone caught on that you could avoid the queues by doing a prepoll (heaps of my colleagues pre-voted for that reason only) so I think the supposed conservative early effect will be much less evident this time.

131 people have voted for Pocock…
I would love to have a breakdown on their educational attainment.

Bullet Train is outpolling the Motorists in Molonglo.

Also inn Molonglo, the swing against the Greens seems to be largely against Shane Rattenbury, at this stage. (I may have got that wrong though.)

I could see the libs getting 8 seats, but not form government because labor prob have 7 or 8 and greens the other.
I wouldn’t be against a liberal gov, but reality is I’m more concerned at federal level. Tony abbott is not fit to lead the country, Zed i could handle.

I also doubt in the ACT whether its run by liberals or labor, that anything will change. There will be plenty of stupid ideas being made into law.

johnboy said :

c_c said :

Chic Henry managing 0.4 quota in Ginninderra btw. He’s got no preferences to fall back on so not going to get a seat, but his showing would make some big party candidates jealous.

Both could get some interesting no 2 votes from all over the place. wouldn’t call it game over yet.

No, but with Labor and Marion Le preferences the Greens will be close to a quota. I mean we’ll see, but I don’t think the Liberals/Chic have done well enough to pull through.

johnboy said :

c_c said :

Chic Henry managing 0.4 quota in Ginninderra btw. He’s got no preferences to fall back on so not going to get a seat, but his showing would make some big party candidates jealous.

Both could get some interesting no 2 votes from all over the place. wouldn’t call it game over yet.

Maybe, but in 08 Mick Gentleman managed 0.4 and despite falling back on heaps of preferences, and many rounds of counting, still didn’t manage a seat. I suspect Meredith Hunter is more likely to block him.

Steve Doszpot has now recovered and is on 0.5 so competitive. Elizabeth Lee on 0.4 – speaking to ABC News she repeated word for word her quote to the Canberra Times about why she’s running, which is she likes ‘legal politics.’ Still no mention of anything about Canberra and, you know, the people. She might still be a surprise but I don’t see her getting in.

“Pre-pollers vote Liberal”

WTF? Seriously WTF??

Andrew Barr is looking very smug as one would expect.

c_c said :

Chic Henry managing 0.4 quota in Ginninderra btw. He’s got no preferences to fall back on so not going to get a seat, but his showing would make some big party candidates jealous.

Both could get some interesting no 2 votes from all over the place. wouldn’t call it game over yet.

Love the Labor commenter crediting that Labor voters get out of bed later than Liberals … confident the chavs will bring them home later in the day …

So what will life be like under the new Gallagher paradigm?

Masquara said :

How is Mattyboy looking?

0.3 quota at the moment, 3rd place for the Libs. I wouldn’t say he looks competitive at this stage.

Chic Henry managing 0.4 quota in Ginninderra btw. He’s got no preferences to fall back on so not going to get a seat, but his showing would make some big party candidates jealous.

Generally speaking, candidates with a 0.5 quota are competitive in Hare-Clarke.

Andrew Barr and Simon Corbel have sunk to 0.3 and 0.2 respectively. Not too surprising for Simon, I actually thought coming in he would struggle, but very surprised by Barr’s performance. Meegan Fitzharris now in 3rd spot pushing Simon to 4th and now behind Bullet Train even!

How is Mattyboy looking?

c_c said :

Philip Pocock now well ahead of any single Pirate Party and Marion Le Social Justice Party candidate, including Marion Le herself. WTF?

Like i keep saying there are no shortage of farktards in this town!

johnboy said :

Is Noel Towell clearing out his desk yet?

The one in Katy’s office or out at Fyshwick?

johnboy said :

Is Noel Towell clearing out his desk yet?

yep he’s thrown in the towel 🙂

Philip Pocock now well ahead of any single Pirate Party and Marion Le Social Justice Party candidate, including Marion Le herself. WTF?

8 per cent swing to the Liberals according to AG. Greens down nearly 5 per cent. Alas, Hare Clarke will do the people’s wish no favours.

It’s all over Barr the shouting. Katy to rule the roost again!

Antony Green now rattling off all the figures the Canberra Times seems to have gotten wrong. Ouch.

pirate_taco said :

Results are starting to come online

Pocock unfortunately has more early votes than any other ungrouped candidate http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/partyungrouped.html

Lets hope that early lead will evaporate :s

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT

Ugh. Still outpolling Stuart Biggs in Molonglo. What the hell is going on there??!!

Meegan Fitzharris currently outpolling both Andrew Barr and Simon Corbell who will both be relying on Katy’s coat tails.

Guilia Jones, who has been bouncing back and forth between ACT and tassie elections at both local and federal level, a true perennial candidate with no platform but an endless campaign budget, looks like she may get a seat at the cost of Doszpot who had to leave Brindabella to make way for Zed.

Joy Burch, who wants to trash the fitter workshop, looks close to making a quota herself while the folks down south look set to boot Amanda Bresnan.

c_c said :

Steve Doszpot currently in 3rd place out of Liberals in Molonglo, Looks like the electorate swap with Zed may not be that good for him.

Well if he loses it’s going to be to another liberal. The Libs are sitting on 3 quotas for Molonglo, even if it drops they’ll still scrape in eventually.

Liberals have definitely taken a seat from the Greens in Molonglo and it’s looking fairly likely in Brindabella. I’m going to call it now that Ginninderra will decide the election.

c_c said :

Well this election is in the bag, the only real question remaining to be answered is who the new opposition leader will be?

That’s the safe bet.

The drama for tonight is whether a non-Labor takes any of the three electorates.
Here’s to hoping…

Stay off the Parkway – Hargraves is driving home!

Steve Doszpot currently in 3rd place out of Liberals in Molonglo, Looks like the electorate swap with Zed may not be that good for him.

Looks like the libs are gonna take a couple of seats at the greens expense

Motorist Party and Greens falling already. Bullet Train polling well so far. Simon Corbell will be feeling nervous, slow out of the gates and will be hoping quotas pick him up.

Zed Seselja already on 1.7% quotas – proof the red necks of the south will vote for a prissy private school guy with a decent scare campaign. Oh christ.

Results are starting to come online

Pocock unfortunately has more early votes than any other ungrouped candidate http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/partyungrouped.html

Lets hope that early lead will evaporate :s

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT

Well this election is in the bag, the only real question remaining to be answered is who the new opposition leader will be?

Will it be the always glamorous Vicki Dunn, the common man of the people Alistair Coe, the likeable stalwart Brendon Smyth or the favourite (and probable) Jeremy Hanson? Will Zed keep the leadership, or will he bow out of the Assembly altogether?