'Assertively' absurd comments about women in the Liberal Party

Poor Penfold.

Labor’s landslide included:
– the most seats in its history
– the highest 2PP vote of any government since Fraser 1975
– the only party since 1970 to increase its majority at its first election after winning government
– a stable primary vote since 2013 while in the same period the farraginous LNP declined by over 30%.

https://antonygreen.com.au/fed2025-four-graphs-on-labors-landslide-victory/

Have a tissue.

Enjoy Axon, it’s definitely the ALP highpoint since the Hawke years.

No idea what your “stable primary vote” comment means, but there’s no doubt that the only way is down now for Labor. This result will be talked about for 100 years in Labor circles.

The good news for the Coalition is the only way is up. They held an election winning lead before the election was called so next time around need better policies and a stronger campaign.

With Albo getting cocky already one suspects a big fall lies ahead.

I agree that it is highly probable, near certain, that ALP vote and numbers will fall in the next election. That would be normal. It was expected this election.

However, your further comments are somewhat obtuse.

It is the ALP high point since at least the 1940s, surpassing the Hawke years not since them.

If you want to understand the relatively stable primary vote, Antony Green’s comment, you could try reading the link for a change. That would also tell you that your adored “prior Liberal lead” was a minority opinion amongst pollsters.

Although Sussan Ley appears to be doing her best to move the party to a position somewhat less distant from the centre, the outcome is not guaranteed. Yes better policies would help. Any that were not completely brain-dead would help too.

Poor Axon, the purveyor of typical leftist untruth ( lies).
The ALP in actuality received its lowest 2PP in about 2 decades. Even in opposition under Backflip Billy Shorten the ALP had a higher 2PP than it gained at the last election. Then we get to jow the ALP the oarty of habitual liars were elected. Lied about Mediscare ( again), lied about immigration (again), lied about energy (again, where’s Australia’s $275 power reduction?), lied about nuclear energy, engaged in months of a sledge-a-thon against the Opposition Leader and lastly engaged in support of anti-semetism groups and made Australia less safe than it was. Note, I didn’t even mention the lies regarding their indigenous Voice.

All good Axon, they still cant handle a defeat. like blaming the ref in a sports match.

Axon the ALP 2PP is their highest but their primary vote isn’t. And that’s the main starting statistic.

As for the polls, they’re not a pollsters opinion they’re a scientific measure at a point in time and subject to a margin of error. It is fair to say the Coalition did have a lead at one point which shows how bad Dutton’s campaign was.

Which also means a better campaign will result in a bounce. Maybe 2028 isn’t off limits.

Rob you’re certainly right about all those lies. Add to that the economic and social incompetence of the Albanese government and it makes the Coalition loss even worse. How did a government that bad get reelected ?

It’s okay babyal, living in Canberra we’re used to appalling Labor governments being returned.

Federally we know there will be brighter days ahead when some common sense will resume.

Rob, your comments on 2PP levels are merely utterly wrong. Even Penfold knows that as you can see in the first line of his 1.34 pm post.

Penfold, I suggest you check the pollsters. All sample-based polls which are not an election vote include pollster “tuning” to try to remove sample error, which makes them a view, an opinion qualified by an error range, no matter how well intended. Simply observe how catastrophically wrong were the LNC (Liberal-National Conglomerate) preferred pollsters.

Are you not the one who in the past has railed against predictions? Yep, you are. Good goldfish.

More importantly, taking your word for how scientific they might be, it was a minority that had the LNC ahead, as I said. Not only was it only two pollsters but it occurred only once for each of those in the course of 2024-2025. It was basically a myth.

Then, Australia voted in “the only poll that counts”.

@Penfold
“ALP 2PP is their highest but their primary vote isn’t. And that’s the main starting statistic.”
You keep on promoting this drivel, about the primary vote, as if it is actually a loss, for the Labor Party.

It (2PP) is not the ‘main starting statistic’, as you foolishly profess; rather, there is only one statistic that counts- the final declaration of the result of the election by AEC, which is:
– Labor = 94 seats
– Coalition = 43 seats
– Other parties and independents = 13 seats
No matter how you slice it, that gives Labor an overwhelming majority, to govern, in the House … which is all that needs to be said.

Nevertheless, you highlight the “low” primary vote for Labor, while ignoring:
– That (Labor) primary vote is up by 1.98% on the 2022 election;
– As opposed to the combined Coalition (LP, LNP, Nat & CLP) primary vote was even lower than Labor’s, with the Libs vote down by 3.2%

Keep posting your drivel, if you wish, as it obviously salves the wounds this Labor victory has inflicted on you … but in doing so, remember – nothing you say, makes one iota of difference, to the actual and irrefutable result.

JS that is a very strange post. Like Albo, gloat all you want over the result but it’s going to be all downhill for Labor from here. Labor did achieve a higher primary vote in 2019 and only won 69 seats. All comes down to preferences.

Anyone with half a political clue knows the main objective of a political party is to maximise their primary vote though it sounds like it’s news to you. 2025 is going to be the highpoint for Labor politically and Albo and a dreadful Dutton can take the credit. But Labor strategists will know that they’re going to need to appeal to more voters in the future to be able to govern in their own right again. Remember all the predictions for months were a hung parliament.

Thanks for pointing out that like every Australian i only have one vote, pretty much wasted in Canberra anyway. Isn’t democracy a wonderful thing !

Axon – nope i haven’t rallied against predictions, i’ve just simply pointed out that they’re not facts. Which seems to come as a shock to some people.

As for your poll comments, are you claiming Gary Morgan is a Coalition supporter ? He’s the furthest thing from it. I note Newspoll didn’t get a mention by Green. The reality is all pollsters got it wrong, indicating how bad Dutton’s policies and performance were. Labor lite really, nothing substantially different besides nuclear. Ley’s going to have to change that and move back to the right.

And btw it doesn’t matter that it was only two pollsters – all polls showed a Coalition surge in the six months before the election. The signs were positive that a shocking government would be turfed. But as you say the only poll that counts – Aussie voters- decided otherwise. Better the devil you know.

@Penfold
As I have stated on numerous occasions, but let me state again, as it might actually get through this time.
As an independent voter, I’m not gloating over Albo’s victory, rather I am pleased (OK, gloating 👍) at the positive result for the progressive candidates at the second successive federal election. For the first time at the national level, minor parties and independents (the major proportion of which, are the ‘Teals’) collectively received more votes than the Liberal-National Coalition, which received 32% on 3 May.
Nevertheless, I must concede a certain degree of satisfaction, watching posters of your ilk, try to recover from the heartbreak of such a poor outcome, at the voting booths, by their ideological heroes, by predicting all manner of future doom and gloom. That was after predicting all manner of doom and gloom, for any party other than their own, prior to the recent election. Well, I suppose, the weight of electoral probability, suggests that eventually that ‘prediction’ will come true.

“Anyone with half a political clue knows the main objective of a political party is to maximise their primary vote …”
Yes, you are right … maximising the primary vote is one of the main objectives of the major political parties. But because you only have ‘half a political clue’, you want to stop there. However, the equally important, arguably higher priority, objective, is to achieve a higher primary vote than their rival candidate (usually, but not always, the other major party). Then, knowing full well that we have a proportional voting system, another objective of the major parties, is to try to secure preference deals on ‘how to vote cards’. That’s what Labor achieved at this election and its the reason they have the overwhelming majority of seats in the House.

The primary vote, while being important, is not the be all and end all, for the major parties. If it was, then the political longevity of your very own hero, John Howard, would have been much shorter after the 1998 election, when Labor’s Kim Beazley won both the primary and 2PP vote. Despite defeating Howard on those two measures, Beazley was still not able to form government, because the ultimate measure – seats won, fell to Howard, 80 to 67 plus one independent. One of the reasons attributed to that loss, was the fact that Labor increased its primary vote in many seats it already held, but not so much in seats it needed to win, to win the election.

“Remember all the predictions for months were a hung parliament.”
Shock horror! 😱 Are you now agreeing, I was right when I opined, that the only poll that counts, is on election day?

The word is railed, I wrote it down for you but you can rally if you like. It does not alter your attempts to assert validity for a minority of opinion polls on a minority of occasions against denying an overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change and the absurd expense of nuclear as a non-solution in the Australian context.

Yes, move back to the right. Hide deeper in your burrow while the world moves past you.