23 June 2025

Government declares support for US strikes on Iran after initial call for de-escalation, diplomacy

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The Federal Government has now expressed its support for the US strikes against Iran. Photo: James Coleman.

The Federal Government has declared Australia’s support for the United States’ strikes on Iran, despite earlier refusing to do so and instead calling for peace and diplomacy.

The US officially entered the hostilities between Iran and Israel after bombing Iranian nuclear sites on the weekend.

US President Donald Trump warned that future attacks would be “far greater and a lot easier” but called instead for Iran to choose peace.

“I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success,” he said during an address from the White House.

“Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated … Iran must now agree to end this war.”

The Australian government initially released a statement from an unnamed spokesperson, highlighting the danger of allowing Iran to pursue nuclear ambition. The statement also called for peace.

“We have been clear that Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile program has been a threat to international peace and security,” the weekend statement said.

“We note the US President’s statement that now is the time for peace.

“The security situation in the region is highly volatile. We continue to call for de-escalation, dialogue, and diplomacy.”

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But in what appears to be somewhat of a backflip, two senior government ministers said on Monday morning (23 June) the Federal Government supported the strikes.

Social Services Minister Tanya Plibersek told Sunrise: “We do support the strikes. We certainly don’t want to see full-scale war in the Middle East. It is a very delicate and different time and we would encourage Iran to come back to the negotiating table.”

Foreign Minister Penny Wong subsequently confirmed Australia’s support, while denying the government had delayed its position.

The Federal Opposition endorsed the US strikes almost immediately, calling them “proactive action”.

Shadow home affairs minister Andrew Hastie (speaking as the acting shadow foreign minister) addressed the media in Western Australia on Sunday, shortly after the government’s initial statement was released.

“The Coalition supports the military action taken by the United States to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, specifically the strikes taken today against the facilities at Isfahan, Natanz and critically, Fordow,” he said.

“We could never accept a nuclear Iran. Iran is a repressive, theocratic autocracy and it’s a sponsor of terrorism.

“The Coalition does not want war – we do not want war – but we believe this was a necessary action to take by the United States military.”

On Monday, he said the government had been caught “flat-footed” by the strikes.

The Greens called on the government to condemn the US strikes, describing them as a “fundamental threat to world peace”.

“This is a terrifying and catastrophic escalation by the USA and Australia must condemn it,” Senator Waters said.

“From Iraq to Afghanistan, we have seen Australia follow the US into devastating and brutal wars that have done untold damage to the people of the Middle East.

“We know that you cannot bomb your way to peace. Australia must always work for peace and de-escalation.

“Australia is not powerless, and we cannot be involved in another brutal war in the Middle East…

“Only when countries like Australia push back and hold to principles and international law and back them up with material actions, will there be a chance for peace.”

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President Trump described the strikes on Iran as a historic moment for “the US, Israel and the world”.

Reuters, however, is reporting that commentary on Iranian state television states that all American military and citizens in the Persian Gulf are now a target.

The hostilities began on 13 June when Israel launched a surprise attack on Iranian targets, citing concerns over Iran’s escalating nuclear weapons ambitions.

The strikes targeted Iran’s military leadership, nuclear facilities and scientists and air defences. Hundreds of civilians have been killed.

Iran responded with its own military strikes against Israeli cities and military sites.

Mr Trump had suggested US involvement could take out Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei if Iran did not unconditionally surrender.

Australia’s embassy in Tehran has closed its doors and suspended operations.

Diplomats and their families were rushed out of the Iranian capital last week and into bordering country Azerbaijan.

The government also urged all Australians in Iran to leave immediately if they can do so safely.

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Brigadier General Von Vanker Man2:39 pm 24 Jun 25

Iran in 2024 bombed Pakistan and other areas, this also needs to be noted, their government is not that nice either. The everyday people are awesome and well educated unlike the Mullahs and co.

2022 Iran launches up to 110 ballistic missiles against the Kurds in Iraq. Iran also sent missiles to Afghanistan and shot down the Ukrainian bound 737-800 which should not happen in this day and age.

I don’t think there’s any argument that the Iranian government aren’t bad actors or that the Iranian people are oppressed.

But it’s a fact that Bebe had been claiming that the Iranians would have nuclear weapons in next 3-5 years since the 90s, that’s not to say that this time he wasn’t right but even Trump’s own intelligence agencies said the Iranians weren’t about to make a nuke.

Regardless, whilst I hope Trump has actually taken out Iran’s enriched Uranium it’s hugely concerning that Trump is both being led by Bebe and clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Remember the war in that region that the US started because of “weapons of mass destruction”.
No weapons were ever found, but the US invaded and was condemned by the United Nations and eventually the rest of the world. The penalty for these war crimes?……….Nothing.
I am just as afraid of a nuclear war as any normal person. However I can’t see how anyone can justify sending 125 jet aircraft into another country to bomb them if the countries aren’t at war. This is another serious international crime that the US will get away with……………….again.
The US only agree with what the United Nations say when it suits them. Very similar in fact to how Russia, China and North Korea operate.
Sad.

Brigadier General Von Vanker Man1:57 pm 24 Jun 25

See SC meeting with Director General of IAEA Rafael Mariano Grossi clearly stating Iran has 400kg of 60% enriched uranium with some buildings used for uranium conversion process.

Interesting. Very similar to all the “confirmation” reports about WMD. What are you trying to say?

HiddenDragon10:30 pm 23 Jun 25

A government which refuses to get much more serious, much more quickly, about a self-reliant defence capability for Australia will need to lift its game considerably in finding a convincing middle path between the US and the China/BRICS/Global South world views.

After this most recent performance – not the first of its sort from Albanese and Wong – it might be time for Sussan Ley to steal one of Albanese’s favourite stolen lines from a few years back – “a day late and a dollar short”.

“a day late and a dollar short”…what is this nonsense even about? Exactly what is the government supposed to be doing that it’s not doing?

Albanese’s opening press statement:
“Good morning. The world has long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. And we support action to prevent that. That is what this is.”
The attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities was a long time coming, had to be done and the timing was perfect, for many reasons.
The higher risk was doing nothing.
Of course the usual anti-American, anti-Western, Iranian apologists predictably pop up like whack-a-moles. For their enjoyment, this is an song from the events of 1980, updated with new video:
https://youtu.be/r64GxYmFS1M?feature=shared

Whilst you smugly deride people who are anti-war with dumb beach boy parodies I might remind you that we were assured that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction as a pretext for that war.

Trump promised there would be no more forever wars and yet here we are again.

Hastie’s comment, “We could never accept a nuclear Iran. Iran is a repressive, theocratic autocracy and it’s a sponsor of terrorism..” demonstrates his bias and hypocrisy when you consider the nature of Netanyahu’s Israel. It is a repressive, theocratic autocracy that sponsors terrorism against its enemies throughout the middle east, Palestinians, Arabs, aid workers and journalists inside Israel as well as in neighbouring countries. Israel should never have been allowed a nuclear weapon as it repeatedly terrorises all around them with the help of those who support their violence.

Australia is right to play the diplomacy game but we should absolutely not be involved in this Trumpian disaster.

Not only does it seem they failed to take out these nuclear sites with typical Trumpian incompetence but the Felon-In-Chief is talking regime change, which they can’t achieve with bombing alone. So that means troops on ground. There are 92 million people in Iran, according to estimates for some former generals that’s at least 1-2 million troops (more likely closer to 2).

Unless the reality TV show President and fake successful businessman can find a way out America is now facing another decade long war, trillions in spending that they don’t have and untold lives lost.

And to add another layer to Trump’s incompetence, given the way that Tehran is likely to react, he put a 22 year old with no experience in charge of the government’s terrorism prevention team:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/terrorism-prevention-thomas-fugate-trump-b2774791.html

You can’t make this stuff up. Australia would be sensible to minimise our exposure to this clown show.

Max_Rockatansky2:04 pm 23 Jun 25

None of that is true.

It’s all true champ.

They reportedly haven’t been successful (although it is too early to tell), Trump is talking regime change, that is not achievable without a ground war, there are 92 million people in Iran, that’s roughly 1-2 million troops on the ground (depending on the ratio of troops to people which has been cited as 1:50), Trump did put a 22 dipstick in charge of his terrorism prevention team.

Thanks for playing.

Max you mustn’t read the green left pixie newsletter, because according to that it’s all true.

Which bit isn’t true Penfold? lol

Good luck with not embarrassing yourself…again.

As per usual, pretty much all of it. It’s pretty clear all the sites have been obliterated, unless you listen to Iranian media.

Secondly nobody is talking troops on the ground, except Corporal Seano.

Thirdly there won’t be any long war, the goal has been clearly stated as taking out Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

This has been an issue for 30 years, it sounds like you’re new to it. Maybe read more media, it might help.

Oh and for the none too bright culture warriors, if Iran go thorough with this plan to block the Strait of Hormuz not only are our oil prices thanks to Trump’s broken no war promise but so is the cost of everything.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-23/strait-of-hormuz-oil-blockage-iran-increase-fuel-prices-aus/105449244

PS. JD Vance who makes Penfold look smart seems to believe Iran won’t go through with it…a fundamentalist theocracy acting rationally… good luck with that when the clueless American President is an irrational actor.

It is incredibly clear that those calling the shots in the US know very little about history or about Iran as a country or about the Iranian people, else they’d realise that the US action will not cause regime change. It is more likely to increase the hate for America and some unity in that as well as against outsiders trying to control their homeland.

Seano perhaps you should stop watching Al Jazeera, you’re making a true clown of yourself with comments that silly 🤡

“As per usual, pretty much all of it. It’s pretty clear all the sites have been obliterated, unless you listen to Iranian media.”

As per usual Penfold is not even cognisant of the facts. The is no proof yet that the attacks have been a success or not beyond surface level damage. Trump’s claims at this point are no more reliable than the Iranian media. Welcome to the real world.

It will take weeks, possibly months to ascertain how far the Iranians have been set back if at all…and with Trump burning all diplomatic paths and effectively declaring war without gaining any international consensus or even the approval of congress it’s going to be all but impossible to get independent monitors into Iran now.

“Secondly nobody is talking troops on the ground, except Corporal Seano.”

Trump is talking regime change. Fact. All you’ve done here is for the umpteenth time demonstrated how little you know or have read (beyond Telegram) about the topics you comment on. There is no path to regime change without troops on the ground. Show me one expert who says otherwise.

“Thirdly there won’t be any long war, the goal has been clearly stated as taking out Iran’s nuclear ambitions.”

So the Iranians are not going to respond? That’s what you’re claiming? Genuis stuff….lol.

“This has been an issue for 30 years, it sounds like you’re new to it. Maybe read more media, it might help.”

It takes an amazing amount of hubris to make that comment whilst demonstrating you’re clueless.

Given I linked to the ABC reporting and not Al Jazeera it’s not me who is making a clown of myself Penfold.

I see though that we’re at the portion of the program where your surface level reading, limited understanding and inability to defend or even put forward a cogent argument have devolved into sad little insults.

Same as it ever was.

Well Seano isn’t it great how you dismiss whatever Trump says until you want to believe him. Apparently because he’s made mixed messages about regime change, there’s troops on the ground already. Maybe the boys from F Troop are there, or Hogans Heroes. How do you deliver such consistency with a straight face ?

Perhaps you’re unaware of Iran’s actions over recent years, funding Hamas and Hezbollah, attacking Israel and others, funding ISIS, deliberately attacking the only democracy in the Middle East.

Oh and speaking of regime change, who needs troops on the ground ? Any student of history knows that changing a government can come multiple ways including internal revolution. Happened in Romania in 1989, happened in East Germany in 1989, happened in the USSR in 1991, it even happened in Iran in 1979. Look them all up, you don’t need any experts.

But if you need an expert, refer to R. Reagan, M. Thatcher, M. Gorbachev and N. Ceaucescu. You’re welcome 🙂

“Well Seano isn’t it great how you dismiss whatever Trump says until you want to believe him.”

Genius, I don’t believe anything Trump says because of his …*checks notes*…well document history of lying. But I get this stuff is beyond your limited critical thinking abilities however even JD Vance said he didn’t think they’d gotten the enriched Uranium.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/22/politics/iran-strike-analysis-raises-questions

Ooops.

“Apparently because he’s made mixed messages about regime change, there’s troops on the ground already. Maybe the boys from F Troop are there, or Hogans Heroes. How do you deliver such consistency with a straight face ?”

This drivel doesn’t make any sense, instead of trying and failing to be clever and witty why not try to make a rational argument?

Meanwhile Trump is still talking regime change:
https://time.com/7296670/trump-iran-regime-change-khamenei-hegseth-vance-rubio-us-war/

And you’re still talking out of your….hat because there is no path to regime change without troops on the ground.

“Perhaps you’re unaware of Iran’s actions over recent years, funding Hamas and Hezbollah, attacking Israel and others, funding ISIS, deliberately attacking the only democracy in the Middle East.”

And here we go with the loathsome but predictable Penfold strawman. No one is supporting Iran by questioning Trump starting a war he had specifically promised he wouldn’t and didn’t need to start.

The rest of your comment makes little to no sense (unsurprising) but seems to be a pathetic attempt to compare apples to oranges in the hope of saving some face, show me an expert who says that regime change in Iran can happen without a war?

Meanwhile you also claimed the objective had been met without corroboration and that with the objective met Iran won’t retaliate. Two ludicrous assumptions that I’m sure won’t come back to bite your.

Your comments demonstrate you’re beyond clueless on this topic as well.

So Seano it sounds like an admission that you haven’t a clue how regimes changed in the past 50 years. Not much of a student of history there I’m afraid, but you do get 10 out of 10 for ignorance.

I know some of this stuff doesn’t make sense to you and the names Reagan and Thatcher unfamiliar. Try Google.

So you’re really committed to embarrassing yourself with this dumb line of commentary Penfold? Ok.

Show me one credible expert who says Trump can affect regime change in Iran without a ground war?

Try Google.

Don’t need google to respond to such narrow mindedness. Trump is hoping Iranians themselves effect regime change, something most people can understand.

Trump promised as the great deal maker he claims to be that there would be no more wars. Without exploring any of his diplomatic options, without gaining any international consensus and without consent of Congress, Trump has started a war with Iran.

Trump can call for, and hope for and demand regime change in Iran all he wants but show me one expert who says Trump can affect regime change in Iran without a ground war?

Run away Penfold you’re out of your depth as usual.

Seano international events can be hard to keep up with but it was Israel who started the war with Iran. Goodness me what media do you follow to be so naive ?

Ps. I don’t know what’s dumber,. President Trump announcing a cease-fire between Israel/US and Iran but not actually gaining an agreement with Iran before the announcement or someone defending this clown show.

“Seano international events can be hard to keep up with but it was Israel who started the war with Iran. Goodness me what media do you follow to be so naive ?”

LMAO….so you’re either suggesting that Israel/US are the same entity or that Iran doesn’t seen the US bombing its nuclear sites as an act of war. Which is it…genius stuff.

You really must stop beclowning yourself I’m getting sore ribs. lol

No, one suspects you’re don’t.

But here’s a tip – most of the world, including the Middle East are delighted that Iran is today a much lesser threat.

This will come as a shock Seano but unlike Albo, Netanyahu and Trump talk to each other. ☎️

You’re making little to no sense now Penfold, unsurprising for a Trump fan.

Sorry Seano, yes we’ve discussed comprehension issues. I’ll try to use monosyllabic words from now on. Oops 😬

Brigadier General Von Vanker Man2:16 pm 24 Jun 25

It is unlikely that Iran has the capability to close the strait. At the same time if they did, they would annoy other oil/gas exporting states. The Iranians would also harm themselves and annoy China no doubt.

June 20 to June 24 Crude (Brent also similar) from US 77.8 to 66.8 and dropping.
Same as above for NG 4.15 to 3.65 and dropping.

Major Indexes NASDAQ/NYSE/AMEX/JP/DE/ASX/SHANGHAI/MOEX/HK/EU50 mostly up and at tem.

@Penfold, you could try putting forward a sensible argument but we both know you won’t because you can’t.

@Bridagier “It is unlikely that Iran has the capability to close the strait. “….they certainly have the capability to cause significant problems. Whether they will or not is hard to tell given they’re fundamentalist theocracy who knows what they will do next, certainly not Trump who clearly has no plan.

Brigadier they could try to close the Strait but a couple of guided SSMs would take care of that swiftly.

There’s also a CVBG or two floating around.

Brigadier General Von Vanker Man4:00 pm 24 Jun 25

Several years ago, I was at a function and met a young Iranian Australian GP and his wife. Our conversation touched on Trump ordering the assassination of Qasem Soleimani and I posed the question of did the Iranian Government want Soleimani out of the way, he pondered and stated that this scenario may have been the case, his wife was in agreement too. The reason being is the Iranians advised the US well in advance that some bases will be bombed to keep face.

The other thing he said change is coming from within. His point of view is the clerical establishment can hold a head of state with no powers, almost like the pope with a true parliamentary democracy. As the military leadership age (or die by natural causes – aka assassinations), the eventuality of younger leaders within the military will side with the people.

@Brigadier whether that’s true or not what’s clear is there’s no plan from the Trump administration besides dropping bombs and bleating about it.

Trump today literally claimed there was a cease-fire despite the fact Iranians had not agreed to any cease-fire.

I hope there’s regime change in Iran but if it happens it will be despite not because of the Trump clown show.

In the meantime we can hope that the conflict does not escalate.

“Brigadier they could try to close the Strait but a couple of guided SSMs would take care of that swiftly” not know what you’re talking about Penfold clearly not discouraged you from embracing your inner keyboard warrior.

Of course they did! It’s illegal, after all…

Under this government national security has become a third tier issue. They’re in the process of wrecking the relationship with the USA and kowtowing to China.

Albanese cannot even get a meeting with Trump and appears to have given up trying.

Provide some military support, stop funding Hamas, remove Kevin Rudd and treat our most important ally with some respect.

None of that is true.

@Penfold
“treat our most important ally with some respect”
Would that be the same “most important ally” that sucked us in to paying $500m, so they can build their own submarines. And the same “most important ally” that is currently ‘reviewing’ the AUKUS pact (you know the pact that will hopefully deliver us some submarines), to ensure the pact meet their president’s ‘America first’ measure?

As for “funding Hamas”? When did the Australian government remove Hamas from its terrorist list? If this has occurred, then I suggest you contact the National Security Hotline and advise them to update their website with respect to Hamas:
https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations/hamas#:~:text=Since%202001%2C%20Australia%20has%20listed,Nations%20Security%20Council%20Resolution%201373.

Oh dear, you drank the Kool-Aid! It’s also worth noting that even our former ADF chiefs acknowledge that the main threat to our national security is not China, but climate change.

How many battalions and nukes is climate change armed with psycho ?

If they’re also called global warming can they come and warm us soon please ?

Penny calls it UNRWA funding JS, but we all know where it finishes up.

“How many battalions and nukes is climate change armed with psycho ?”

Which one is impacting Australia right now Penfold? China or climate change….

https://www.climatechange.environment.nsw.gov.au/impacts-climate-change/agriculture

Ooops.

“Penny calls it UNRWA funding JS, but we all know where it finishes up.”

It finishes up with Penfold unthinkingly regurgitating baseless , made up nonsense straight from right wing culture wars agitprop.

Thanks for the link Seano, that one’s a beauty. I’m not sure if you’re doing any science at skool, but if you we’re you’d learn that CO2 is a building block of life.

So when they say “increased carbon dioxide from greenhouse gas emissions may affect the growth and yield of crops” – they mean more growth and higher yields !! Bring it on.

As for UNRWA well here’s a few facts that clearly will be news.

https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrwa-aid-to-hamas-on-and-after-october-7th/

But if you love Iran so much and dislike Australia and the USA, why don’t you move over there ? For a start it’s quite warm, much warmer than the record cold temperatures we’ve had in Canberra. And you’re clearly a fan of their politics.

Climate change denial and a Israel funded think tank. Pathetic even by your low standards Penfold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch

“I’m not sure if you’re doing any science at skool, but if you we’re you’d learn that CO2 is a building block of life.

So when they say “increased carbon dioxide from greenhouse gas emissions may affect the growth and yield of crops” – they mean more growth and higher yields !! Bring it on.”

Only Pengold could write something as clueless as this yet think he’s made some kind of insightful and meaningful point.

Hilarious stuff as usual.

“But if you love Iran so much and dislike Australia and the USA, why don’t you move over there ? For a start it’s quite warm, much warmer than the record cold temperatures we’ve had in Canberra. And you’re clearly a fan of their politics.”

Pathetic Penfold strawman ad homs aside you’re the one cheerleading a war Trump promised he won’t start and apparently are super keen for Australia to be involved, despite Australia or the wider international community being consulted (let alone the US Congress). And all to support the Felon-in-chief who screwed Australia on defence and trade despite our prior agreements and long history of mutual support.

Only one of us here apparently loves our country and fellow country men and women and don’t want them unnecessarily in harms way, and it’s not you champ.

Very funny chewy, the term photosynthesis must have too many syllables.

Seano now you’re claiming to be an Australian patriot. But I’ll put money that you don’t like Australia Day or ANZAC Day. Come on, fess up.

And today we have Iran firing at US bases in Qatar but according to noted geo-political strategist Penfold there is no war. Genius stuff as always.

“Seano now you’re claiming to be an Australian patriot. But I’ll put money that you don’t like Australia Day or ANZAC Day. Come on, fess up.”

Unsurprising, desperate, baseless and lame. You really are stretching with this puerile nonsense. lol.

But please explain to me how you’re an Aussie “patriot” Penfold by cheerleading Australia’s involvement in a war that we didn’t start, we weren’t consulted on, in support of an American President who has sold out Australia on trade, AUKUS and just the curtesy owed to an ally who stood solid with the US through decades?

But if you want to play the “patriot” game champ, will you be enlisting or sending your kids to this conflict champ?

You don’t give a toss about Australia or Australians.

Clearly vokablary is an issue Seano, because my words were “no long war”. But being so black and white means there’s no room for grey.

Looks like I won that bet Seano. But I’ll further bet you’re happy to take both public holidays.

“Very funny chewy, the term photosynthesis must have too many syllables.”

No, just the hilariousness of you talking to other people about not understanding science.

Then in the next breath simplistically claiming that higher CO2 will lead to higher crop yields because its a “building block of life”.

Particularly when more detail around climate change impacts on agriculture was already included in the link that you obviously didnt read or understand.

Chalk up another basic area of scientific knowledge that Pengold fails in.

It’s a pretty basic scientific principle chewy, but it sounds like a bridge too far for you buddy. Here, this might help:

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Thought you claimed to be an expert on this stuff 👨‍🎓

I’d be surprised if said poster understands the word ‘scientific’. Very little of his drivel ever suggests any belief in anything but whatever is heard on sky news.

“Clearly vokablary is an issue Seano, because my words were “no long war”. But being so black and white means there’s no room for grey.”

Oh bombing Iran is only going to start a short war…because…lol Genius stuff as always Penfold.

“Looks like I won that bet Seano. But I’ll further bet you’re happy to take both public holidays.”

What bet? That you can’t argue your case because it’s logically and morally inconsistent and therefore all you’ve got are puerile insults? Another bet I win.

Well Seano this will be a struggle for you too, but there’s a difference between making a case and somebody else understanding it. Maybe go and read some of the ASPI material, they have a level of expertise on strategic defence issues.

Hey btw how did you celebrate Australia Day this year ?

Oh dear Pengold, do you ever provide evidence that doesnt shoot your own arguments down.

Thanks for the link:

“But Other Factors Count

Elevated levels of CO2 from climate change may enable plants to benefit from the carbon fertilization effect and use less water to grow, but it’s not all good news for plants. It’s more complicated than that, because climate change is also impacting other factors critical to plants’ growth, such as nutrients, temperature, and water.”

Factors that are then explained in detail in your own link around how it will likely impact and reduce overall crop yields.

The Pengold hilarity continues.

We definitely know you arent an expert on well, anything.

Love it chewy, in your desperate haste to find any minuscule comment to help your anti-scientific cause, you missed the headline:

“CO2 boosts plant productivity”

And here’s a revelation for you – the same applies to humans 🤣

“Well Seano this will be a struggle for you too, but there’s a difference between making a case?…”

You haven’t made a case Penfold, you’ve lost another debate and resorted to the usual lame strawman arguments and lame insults. Predictable and pathetic.

Sorry Pengold,

in your desperate haste to find any minuscule comment to help your anti-scientific cause, you missed the headline:

“How Climate Change Will Affect Plants”

Its right there at the top of the link you provided that disproves your own point with details that you didn’t even read before posting.

Hilarious as usual.

Hmmm …. sharp knives, drawers. Oh well.

Dull edges, no point.

Oh well.

Capital Retro8:00 pm 24 Jun 25

Hey Penfold, when you discuss science with chewy14 you must address him as Mister chewy14 to respect his unquestionable knowledge of the subject especially when it is “climate science” coupled with computer modelling.

Every major scientific body in the world is not wrong on climate change being a real and serious threat Capital. But I look forward to your peer-reviewed paper proving them wrong.

I do find it funny that when scientific research and findings of experts are presented, people like CR claim its “my” knowledge, rather than an entire field of scientific research providing them evidence.

It just really exemplifies their (lack of) knowledge base and understanding of science where they think selectively googling articles that fit their pre determined opinion somehow makes them knowledgeable on the subject.

Or maybe Dr chewy CR. Though tbh whenever I see his name i think of Star Wars.

But yes the level of expertise is amazing on so many topics. And so broad minded. For example if you discuss nuclear energy or the negative issues around renewables, well you must be a flat earthed climate denier.

It got so hilarious yesterday he argued that CO2 is bad for plants. I’d love to see that peer review 👨‍🎓

“It got so hilarious yesterday he argued that CO2 is bad for plants.”

He didn’t though so there’s that. Climate change is not, not a significant problem because plants absorb CO2.

You once again resort to puerile tactics when losing an argument.

Capital Retro10:23 am 25 Jun 25

Seano, I’m an amateur BS artist but sometimes I really like to hear a full-blown professional so please carry-on.

“For example if you discuss nuclear energy or the negative issues around renewables, well you must be a flat earthed climate denier.”

It got so hilarious yesterday he argued that CO2 is bad for plants. I’d love to see that peer review 👨‍🎓”

It got so hilarious today that you’ve just randomly made things up that were never said nor intimated.

I know you cant remember previous things you’ve said yourself, but the comments are just above. You can quote directly.

Pengold complaining about others not being broad minded, bahahahaha stop it, my sides are splitting.

Capital Retro10:31 am 25 Jun 25

Speaking of Israel and yet just another way they have helped the world:

https://hasbarafellowships.org/drip-irrigation-israels-ingenious-invention/

Perhaps you should refer to your 11:28 post yesterday (above) chewy.

The memory appears to be failing as you told us how CO2 would damage plants.

Btw have you heard of the Amazon rainforest and its environmental impact ?

chewy your newfound sense of humour is a positive step forward. Well done.

Nice link CR, great to see Israel contributing to global agriculture.

Sure makes up for the tens of thousands of innocent people they are intent on killing hey…..

So climate change is not real because Israel have agricultural inventions? Genius stuff chaps…lmao.

Capital and Penfold with the irrelevant circle…self-congratulations FTW.

Funny stuff.

There you have it CR, because mankind likes to improve agricultural productivity it follows that climate change isn’t real.

How does any rational adult human think in this way ?

Capital Retro12:15 pm 25 Jun 25

You need a dose of reality JS9. It’s “kill or be killed” in that part of the world now.
No one is “innocent”.
You don’t see Israelis chanting on TV “death to America – death to all Jews” etc., do you? That is intent.

Capital Retro12:19 pm 25 Jun 25

Mister chewy, you are the only expert who “beats the climate change drum” on this thread.

As I have said before, there are no “climate scientists” listed in the Yellow Pages.

Capital Retro12:22 pm 25 Jun 25

“Doctor” is meaningless these days, Penfold. Half of Canberra has a PhD in every house.

If we were in Spain he would be called “Don chewy”.

“perhaps you should refer to your 11:28 post yesterday (above) chewy.”

Yep, done that, nothing remotely like what you claim is included.

Perhaps you could find a quote in your desperation to make stuff up?

““Doctor” is meaningless these days, Penfold. Half of Canberra has a PhD in every house”

Half of Canberra has a PHD in every house hey?

Which half?

Perhaps you should check the 2021 census results CR, only a bit over 6000 residents with PHD’s in Canberra.

As usual, always happy to help you with factual information.

When’s the convention over so you can return to your villages?

Swamp Harrier2:06 pm 25 Jun 25

Capital Retro, nor are there entries for “nuclear physicists”, “cosmologists” or “dopey old men” yet they all exist.

Swamp Harrier2:15 pm 25 Jun 25

Penfold wrote: “Perhaps you should refer to your 11:28 post yesterday (above) chewy.

The memory appears to be failing as you told us how CO2 would damage plants.”

That claim by Penfold is a straight lie.
Examine chewy14’s post at 11:28 where he quoted from Penfold’s own link as follows:
“Elevated levels of CO2 from climate change may enable plants to benefit from the carbon fertilization effect and use less water to grow, but it’s not all good news for plants. It’s more complicated than that, because climate change is also impacting other factors critical to plants’ growth, such as nutrients, temperature, and water.”
Nowhere does that, or the rest of the post, say CO2 will damage plants, but that plants can be damaged through other impacts of climate change.

We will wait with no expectation for Penfold’s abject apology.

CR – there is little evidence that Seano or chewy are in that half of Canberra. If they are then I might start getting medical advice in Queanbeyan.

Swampy – um, how nice to meet you. Sometimes it feels like one has to provide remedial English lessons to a few commenters. Here’s what chewy said:

“Elevated levels of CO2 from climate change may enable plants to benefit from the carbon fertilization effect and use less water to grow, but it’s not all good news for plants. It’s more complicated than that, because climate change is also impacting other factors critical to plants’ growth, such as nutrients, temperature, and water.”

Factors that are then explained in detail in your own link around how it will likely impact and reduce overall crop yields.”

So CO2 causes climate change and climate change damages plants and reduces crop yields. QED CO2 is bad for plants.

If anyone needs further explanation perhaps contact the Telephone Interpreter Service.

Your apology is accepted.

“If they are then I might start getting medical advice in Queanbeyan.”

There are many here who hope you can find the advanced medical care you clearly require.

Unfortunately modern medicine can only do so much for severe cognitive impairment.

I like how you quoted in detail, Chewy’s comments that clearly demonstrate why your comments on carbon and climate are idiotic Penfold so now they appear in the thread twice.

Well done….genius stuff as always.

Thanks chewy, what a wonderful, caring and compassionate chap you sound like.

But I’m definitely questioning your medical capabilities now as in the last few hours you’ve diagnosed me with schizophrenia and now cognitive impairment.

Presumably you’re unaware one is neurological and the other is cognitive. Hopefully you don’t diagnose any mental health issues. 🤗

Swamp Harrier4:30 pm 25 Jun 25

Penfold has successfully argued that CO2 is ultimately bad for plants by virtue of its impact on climate change whereas he previously wrote “more growth and higher yields !!”. Penfold does not know his own claims, although he has added to his previous falsehoods that chewy14 “wrote” as if author when chewy14 was quoting from Penfold’s own link — which did not say what Penfold thought it did.

I see also that in his first reply to me he went straight for attempted insult, exposing his lack of anything cogent to say. You are tying yourself in the knots of your own folly Penfold.

TIS for you swampy, it’s all gone straight over the head. Anyone with the slightest clue knows CO2 is the building block of life.

Mind you, you’re sounding a lot like Seano and making about as much sense. Name change again ?

“But I’m definitely questioning your medical capabilities now as in the last few hours you’ve diagnosed me with schizophrenia and now cognitive impairment.”

I said the nature of your comments was schizophrenic, which ironically provides more evidence to the latter.

Although thanks for providing your advanced medical assessment that cognitive impairment is indeed a cognitive issue.

Breathtaking as usual Doctor PG.

Or chewy, it could be a strong indicator of someone’s comprehending abilities. Two sides to every coin.

Btw what’s today’s theory – is CO2 good or bad for plants 🪴?

“Btw what’s today’s theory – is CO2 good or bad for plants 🪴?”

Seeing as you’re the only one positing theories about it, I was waiting for you to come up with a different one.

Pengolds next research hypothesis: “water is poisonous to humans because people drown.”

Swamp Harrier1:24 pm 26 Jun 25

I am not Seano and I have posted before. Unlike you, I do not plaster ignorance with childish pretence at argument over the site. As I have seen commented, you need only to read the thread of posts to see your prevarication and your folly.

Swamp Harrier1:37 pm 26 Jun 25

Oxygen is requisite for human life, Penfold. Why not breathe only pure oxygen always, see how you go?

Water is requisite for human life. Why not permanently submerge yourself in it so you can drink your fill?

You like fossil fuels and methane is useable for fuel and heating, so buy some cows to express themselves in your general direction.

Capital Retro2:11 pm 26 Jun 25

It appears this is one of Seano’s last posts (apologies to our veterans for the pun).

Seano was probably a victim of the budget cutting off his subsidy.

“Mind you, you’re sounding a lot like Seano and making about as much sense. Name change again ?”

The only person not making sense is you Penfold, you’re literally putting forward an argument that climate change is not a problem because plants absorb carbon…and the reason it doesn’t make sense is because this is the argument of simpleton or a child, it’s an irrelevant factoid that does not disprove the planet is warming.

Adults debate issues on their merits, but you can’t do that with climate change Penfold because you lose the argument on the evidence, so you resort smugness, puerile distractions & embarrassingly lame insults.

Imagine standing in front of a train and for whatever reason, claiming the people calling out “Look out train” are a part of a left wing conspiracy…but then you can’t help some people.

Amazing how often you post these obsessive, sad little comments speculating quite incorrectly about me…particularly when I’m not interested in you at all Capital.

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