No charges laid over Holt sexual assault investigation

nyssa1976 said :

kakosi said :

Rape victims know that unless they are beaten badly it’s a waste of time going to the police as it won’t ever make it to a court case.

I’m not in any way saying that this is the situation in this case – just that this news doesn’t surprise me at all.

100% agreement here.

Having ‘experienced’ this first hand and being told ‘we can’t do anything else’ even with photographic evidence and phone records, really makes you wonder why you went to the police at all.

It all comes down to whether or not they can ‘get it past the magistrate’ and in Canberra the perpetrators have more rights than the victims.

The fact is that people have sex all the time.
Proving that any particular sex act was non-consensual is virtually impossible.

In pandering to the feminist lobby, its the rights of those *accused* of rape are the rights that have been severely eroded over the last 30 years.

Just look at what happened when a psycho lesbian who’d been fantasising about murdering men equipped herself with a knife and lured a guy into Telopea Park and brutally stabbed him to death – all she had to say was the magic word ‘Rape’ and the entire machinery of justice fell all over itself to help her get away with it.

kakosi said :

Rape victims know that unless they are beaten badly it’s a waste of time going to the police as it won’t ever make it to a court case.

I’m not in any way saying that this is the situation in this case – just that this news doesn’t surprise me at all.

Yeah its horrible, they should just lock those scumbags away.

Who cares about pesky things like evidence and presumption of innocence? No one has ever lied to the police, so they should just take someone at their word.

Lookout Smithers said :

bundah said :

Police have said that the claims of sexual assault made by the young female were ‘not substantiated’ hence the reason for closing the investigation.Make of it what you will.

So any claim of an offence having being committed that is unsubstantiated gets closed? And only one go at it too. I am not sure that is really how it works. Pretty sure there are a few unsubstantiated claims out there police are trying to substantiate years and decades on. Try again with the other finger genius.

kakosi said :

Rape victims know that unless they are beaten badly it’s a waste of time going to the police as it won’t ever make it to a court case.

I’m not in any way saying that this is the situation in this case – just that this news doesn’t surprise me at all.

100% agreement here.

Having ‘experienced’ this first hand and being told ‘we can’t do anything else’ even with photographic evidence and phone records, really makes you wonder why you went to the police at all.

It all comes down to whether or not they can ‘get it past the magistrate’ and in Canberra the perpetrators have more rights than the victims.

On the positive side, Canberra Rape Crisis Centre is an excellent resource to use and if anything should be advertised more to allow those who don’t wish to speak out to receive some form of counselling for their trauma. I can’t recommend it highly enough.

Rape victims know that unless they are beaten badly it’s a waste of time going to the police as it won’t ever make it to a court case.

I’m not in any way saying that this is the situation in this case – just that this news doesn’t surprise me at all.

bundah said :

Police have said that the claims of sexual assault made by the young female were ‘not substantiated’ hence the reason for closing the investigation.Make of it what you will.

So any claim of an offence having being committed that is unsubstantiated gets closed? And only one go at it too. I am not sure that is really how it works. Pretty sure there are a few unsubstantiated claims out there police are trying to substantiate years and decades on. Try again with the other finger genius.

Overprotective parents of teenaged girls have been even more overprotective than usual after this report. The police need to say a bit more.

Police have said that the claims of sexual assault made by the young female were ‘not substantiated’ hence the reason for closing the investigation.Make of it what you will.

johnboy said :

Alright let’s call time on the speculation unless someone’s got some actual evidence.

As per the tradition JB!! So you’re person of reason as I suspected.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

imo makes no sense for he to lie about some randoms.

The lower classes (and their lawyers) have a whole industry revolving around making victims of crime compensation claims. Rape is a good crime to invent because over the years the feminist lobby has skewed how the justice system approaches this particular crime in order to facilitate convictions in the absence of any evidence.

I’m not saying this has anything to do with this particular incident, but the fact the police are dropping the whole thing without explaining why would suggest they are letting somebody get away with something.

Frustrated said :

So, she willingly got into the car, and then realised later what she did was stupid.

BINGO! happens too often and innocent guys get dragged through the mud

So there’s obviously still a violent kidnapping rapist still roaming the streets? We need to organise vigilante groups to scour the streets to prevent something like this ever happening again. Curfews for every child.

OR

It didn’t happen as originally described.

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I think the only other option they have is to come out and say *this would be to hard to prove so we are not going to even bother*.
.

Or, “this disagreeable teenager made the whole story up, as so often happens”.

I do think we need to know either way whether there’s rapist on the loose or whether yet another bloke has been hauled over the coals on account of a false accusation of rape.

i agree 100% with your second paragraph and thats the exact point i was making.

Your first para could have been ripped directly from a mr g post.
dont be gross.

imo makes no sense for he to lie about some randoms.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I think the only other option they have is to come out and say *this would be to hard to prove so we are not going to even bother*.
.

Or, “this disagreeable teenager made the whole story up, as so often happens”.

I do think we need to know either way whether there’s rapist on the loose or whether yet another bloke has been hauled over the coals on account of a false accusation of rape.

I think the only other option they have is to come out and say *this would be to hard to prove so we are not going to even bother*.

Meanwhile it shows other like minded scum it’s easy to get away with abduction and rape.

lostinbias said :

thatsnotme said :

banco said :

You have to really read between the lines on this one.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, and it doesn’t sit well with me.

I live close by where this was supposed to have happened, and the thought that a teenage girl could have been grabbed from the side of the street, bundled into a car and raped, was pretty shocking. Although my own daughter is nowhere near old enough to be on the streets by herself (given that the ability to walk is a pre-requisite!), it wasn’t nice to think that there were people around this area who would do something like that.

If I were the parent of a teenage girl, something like this would certainly have had me worried.

I know there are privacy issues in play, and god knows what else, but I think the police at least have a responsibility to clarify the situation. To say that The investigation into the abduction and sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl in Holt on September 15, 2012 has been finalised, with no charges to be laid by ACT Policing. makes no sense at all. If it were truly an abduction and sexual assault, then investigations should be ongoing until an arrest is made. If it’s turned out that it wasn’t the case after all, then the community deserves to know.

I also agree. In fact the way it’s worded kind of makes it sound like the cops just told the guy “Yeah nah mate you’re right to go, you gave us a hand, aye.”

They should at least go into a tiny bit more detail in their release.

If they have finalised it, then it is very likely something has come to light to counter the claim. Otherwise it would not be the status of finalised.

thatsnotme said :

banco said :

You have to really read between the lines on this one.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, and it doesn’t sit well with me.

I live close by where this was supposed to have happened, and the thought that a teenage girl could have been grabbed from the side of the street, bundled into a car and raped, was pretty shocking. Although my own daughter is nowhere near old enough to be on the streets by herself (given that the ability to walk is a pre-requisite!), it wasn’t nice to think that there were people around this area who would do something like that.

If I were the parent of a teenage girl, something like this would certainly have had me worried.

I know there are privacy issues in play, and god knows what else, but I think the police at least have a responsibility to clarify the situation. To say that The investigation into the abduction and sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl in Holt on September 15, 2012 has been finalised, with no charges to be laid by ACT Policing. makes no sense at all. If it were truly an abduction and sexual assault, then investigations should be ongoing until an arrest is made. If it’s turned out that it wasn’t the case after all, then the community deserves to know.

I also agree. In fact the way it’s worded kind of makes it sound like the cops just told the guy “Yeah nah mate you’re right to go, you gave us a hand, aye.”

They should at least go into a tiny bit more detail in their release.

thatsnotme said :

banco said :

You have to really read between the lines on this one.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, and it doesn’t sit well with me.

I live close by where this was supposed to have happened, and the thought that a teenage girl could have been grabbed from the side of the street, bundled into a car and raped, was pretty shocking. Although my own daughter is nowhere near old enough to be on the streets by herself (given that the ability to walk is a pre-requisite!), it wasn’t nice to think that there were people around this area who would do something like that.

If I were the parent of a teenage girl, something like this would certainly have had me worried.

I know there are privacy issues in play, and god knows what else, but I think the police at least have a responsibility to clarify the situation. To say that The investigation into the abduction and sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl in Holt on September 15, 2012 has been finalised, with no charges to be laid by ACT Policing. makes no sense at all. If it were truly an abduction and sexual assault, then investigations should be ongoing until an arrest is made. If it’s turned out that it wasn’t the case after all, then the community deserves to know.

Agreed

banco said :

You have to really read between the lines on this one.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, and it doesn’t sit well with me.

I live close by where this was supposed to have happened, and the thought that a teenage girl could have been grabbed from the side of the street, bundled into a car and raped, was pretty shocking. Although my own daughter is nowhere near old enough to be on the streets by herself (given that the ability to walk is a pre-requisite!), it wasn’t nice to think that there were people around this area who would do something like that.

If I were the parent of a teenage girl, something like this would certainly have had me worried.

I know there are privacy issues in play, and god knows what else, but I think the police at least have a responsibility to clarify the situation. To say that The investigation into the abduction and sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl in Holt on September 15, 2012 has been finalised, with no charges to be laid by ACT Policing. makes no sense at all. If it were truly an abduction and sexual assault, then investigations should be ongoing until an arrest is made. If it’s turned out that it wasn’t the case after all, then the community deserves to know.

As a resident of Holt with a daughter, I am not satisfied with this response and believe the public needs to know more. Since the alleged assault I have been reluctant to walk around my suburb.

Sadly, this can be very difficult to prove, and circumstances muddy the water.

And this is why so many rapes go unreported.

I told you it didn’t happen.

You have to really read between the lines on this one.

So, she willingly got into the car, and then realised later what she did was stupid.