Alleged dog mutilating teen to face court this morning

Postalgeek said :

Maybe, but if we’re going to ride the wave of conjecture, let’s consider other alternatives, such as a single mum trying to raise a kid, working all the time and unable to keep tabs on unhappy junior, or well-meaning, loving parents of a hard-wired evil kid. It’s naive to think that parents know all their kids’ dark secrets.
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OK, so maybe said “single mum” or “well-meaning, loving parents” could switch the idiot box off and pay attention to what’s going on in their household?

This kind of stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Bad kids come from bad parents.

Gerry-Built said :

Clearly this kid has some pretty serious mental health issues, which have manifested themselves in the most grotesque and abhorrent of methods, with him killing animals for pleasure/excitement: with clear plans to take it to the next step. The fact that almost every poster ‘gets’ that this is shocking makes it more unbelievable that so many are calling for mob justice, when it is clearly time to get this kid some serious help(and appropriate detention). ..

Interesting, first you decide that we have diagnosed this vermin correctly, when as some of us have clearly said that you can be bad without being mad. Obviously, as it fits with your preconceptions, you have no argument with that.

Then, you decide that; while it’s ok to write this vermin’s actions off as “serious mental health issues” (unspecified,) the rest of us are not allowed to have an emotional reaction to the atrocities committed, and express it in strong terms.

Funny that, isn’t the suppression of natural emotions one of the main causes of mental ill health? So why are you trying to inflict them on us?

Clearly this kid has some pretty serious mental health issues, which have manifested themselves in the most grotesque and abhorrent of methods, with him killing animals for pleasure/excitement: with clear plans to take it to the next step. The fact that almost every poster ‘gets’ that this is shocking makes it more unbelievable that so many are calling for mob justice, when it is clearly time to get this kid some serious help(and appropriate detention). Most mental health issues seem to result from imbalances in the chemistry of the brain, so appropriate medication can almost always control the spectrum of weird mental disorders. To be calling for him to be executed, set alight or castrated says volumes about your mental health, not his. It is hardly ‘justice’ you are after; you need to keep your emotions in check…

JazzyJess said :

Granted they might not have realised the enormity of the situation but 16 year olds generally don’t keep duct tape and a hacksaw for harmless fun.

Oh my GOD! I’ve just realised the son of a friend not only has duct tape and a hacksaw, but chisels, fretsaws and even woodworking power tools! He’s been collecting them since he was 12! Come to think of it, he’s even got a mask and earplugs. Large amounts of wood HAVE gone missing from local wood suppliers. I believe that I’m onto something and shall report his transgressions to the authorities.

Thanks for bringing this up. I’d have never noticed it otherwise.

fabforty said :

For this kid to be doing something this horrific at 16, it makes me wonder what else he has been doing in the years leading up to being caught. I hardly think this would have been his first foray into animal torture.

The question is, how much did his parents cover up for him and look the other way ? Given he semed to enjoy sharing his exploits, his parents or other family members must have known something.

Maybe, but if we’re going to ride the wave of conjecture, let’s consider other alternatives, such as a single mum trying to raise a kid, working all the time and unable to keep tabs on unhappy junior, or well-meaning, loving parents of a hard-wired evil kid. It’s naive to think that parents know all their kids’ dark secrets.

Depending on circumstances, I feel for any parent who discovers the capacity of their child for monstrous acts. And the worst thing is that they have to suffer alone, their grief deemed invalid or inconsequential in the eyes of the community. Words of hate instead of comfort. It would be an hellish place to suddenly find yourself.

There but for the grace of God…

I draw some comfort that this young person is likely to be contained, under scrutiny and receiving the mental health treatment he so clearly needs. What is truly disturbing, is that Mental Health Worker, who seems to view this behaviour as little more than youthful hi-jinks, is not.

God help us all if his moniker is anything other than a random computer-generated username.

cranky said :

My first reaction on reading of this individual’s deeds was to advocate setting him alight to see how he liked it. Truly awful conduct.

But on reflection, this individual’s actions are so far out of kilter with normal standards, he must have gross mental health problems. Does beating tripe out of him or locking him up forever really help him or anyone else?
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Having read the comments on this thread, I have now changed my mind.

NOTHING absolves this creature from the terror and death he visited on these animals.

As another poster has stated, lock the turd up, and then see if he can be brought back to reality.

Ahhh mental health worker, still trying to make us believe people like the juvenile who did this need a cuddle and a playstation and everything will be alright.

Wake up and smell the daisies. This sick f*ck deserves a long, long jail sentence at the very least Some people, quite a few from the comments here, think the perpetrator should be executed.

Mr Evil said :

Special G said :

Recycling as a penalty for certain offences. Interesting concept. Problem is most of the crooks aren’t fit for organ donation.

Okay, the ones with the damaged organs can be used for medical experimentation instead!

Not original. Has already been done. In Germany. In the 40s.

Special G said :

Recycling as a penalty for certain offences. Interesting concept. Problem is most of the crooks aren’t fit for organ donation.

Okay, the ones with the damaged organs can be used for medical experimentation instead!

Recycling as a penalty for certain offences. Interesting concept. Problem is most of the crooks aren’t fit for organ donation.

MHW, I admit that I am in the same league as this kid, as once when I was a teenager I too did some pretty horrible things.

For example, I once moved someone’s lawn sprinkler so that there was no way for them to get to the hose or turn off the tap, without them getting wet. Another time, I picked up someone’s mailbox and moved it to the house next door to them.

Can’t say I ever thought that setting dogs alight and then filming their suffering was a good idea though – but then, maybe I’m just a bit strange.

Lock him away forever. As far as I can see, there really is no potential that this vermin would ever become a worthwhile, functioning citizen in society. The saddest thing is that there are good people who need a new liver, heart, lungs and kidneys – yet we can’t ‘recycle’ scum like this. No Waste 2020???

For this kid to be doing something this horrific at 16, it makes me wonder what else he has been doing in the years leading up to being caught. I hardly think this would have been his first foray into animal torture.

The question is, how much did his parents cover up for him and look the other way ? Given he semed to enjoy sharing his exploits, his parents or other family members must have known something.

I wonder if this explains all the police presence in Mulanggari grasslands between Palmerston and Gungahlin around midday Tuesday?

Mental Health Worker said :

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

Where can I buy a torch? Does it come with a free white hood and cloak? It would be so much more fun if the alleged offender is indigenous.

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

Typical of the “no one is responsible for their own actions” brigade we see here.
Maybe some counselling would sort this poor lad out, do you think MHW?
Or mentoring?
Or maybe being sent on a nice holiday to compensate for the way society has made him a victim?

Come to think of it, maybe we should give him an award to boost his damaged self esteem.

Jethro said :

Mental Health Worker said :

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

Where can I buy a torch? Does it come with a free white hood and cloak? It would be so much more fun if the alleged offender is indigenous.

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

True MHW…

Once when I was 16 me and my mate flogged his dad’s case of beer and got drunk in a park and went swimming in a lake when we were drunk.

Another time I told my mum I was going to my mate’s house, but I actually met my girlfriend and stayed at her house while her mum was away.

Another time I made a little pipe bomb out of a soda-bulb and set it off in a field.

However, I don’t recall the time I stole someone’s dog and set fire to it and watched it burn to death.

There are teenage shenanigans and there are teenage shenanigans. This falls squarely into the latter camp.

+1

My teenage naughtiness never involved a deep-seated desire to maim, torture and kill people’s pets. There are teenage shenanigans and there are serious mental problems.

Mental Health Worker said :

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older.

The fact that you think setting fire to living animals and torturing them to death is simply a “naughty thing” says a lot about you.

MHW, are you trolling or being serious? This is not some teenager acting out. He burnt dogs(and who knows what else) to death then mutilated them. Living creatures dieing in one of the most agonising ways possible.
It does not matter if he is nuts or not, he needs to be locked away from the rest of us.
I dont like to think about what i would do to this kid if i saw him doing this sick things.

Pandy said :

I would have killed him.

Seriously.

Me too

Mental Health Worker said :

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

Where can I buy a torch? Does it come with a free white hood and cloak? It would be so much more fun if the alleged offender is indigenous.

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

you can NOT be serious. is this the sort of attitude and complacency you exude to your clients? as in “nevermind that you have committed heartless and exceptionally cruel acts on an innocent animal not once twice but at least 3 times, we all do naughty things as a teenager so don’t worry your pretty head about it”. honestly.

Mental Health Worker said :

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

Yes. I’m sure everyone here tortured animals in probably the most horrific way possible.

You don’t get it, do you? You don’t understand why we’re all upset by this. Those dogs screaming in agony, they’re just background noise, aren’t they?

It absolutely breaks my heart to think of how these poor creatures suffered, to think of how their families are suffering now knowing their fate, and how terrified other families who have a missing pet must be feeling, wondering if their pet met an horrific end at the hands of this sicko.

I wonder what/who would have come next? Notwithstanding the research that may or may not show a connection between animal torture and human torture, this guy had a list. Would he have moved on from dogs to kids before attempting the adults?

I actually feel quite sorry for the parent/s. I’d hate to think that there was something that a parent could do/not do that would influence their child turning out like this. I believe that some people are just born bad.

Anywho, give your pets a big hug tonight and every night, don’t feel bad about searching your kids rooms, and religious or not – pray that justice is served in this case.

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

You cannot argue with that! What an erudite and deeply thought out contribution to the debate.

Mental Health Worker said :

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

Where can I buy a torch? Does it come with a free white hood and cloak? It would be so much more fun if the alleged offender is indigenous.

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

True MHW…

Once when I was 16 me and my mate flogged his dad’s case of beer and got drunk in a park and went swimming in a lake when we were drunk.

Another time I told my mum I was going to my mate’s house, but I actually met my girlfriend and stayed at her house while her mum was away.

Another time I made a little pipe bomb out of a soda-bulb and set it off in a field.

However, I don’t recall the time I stole someone’s dog and set fire to it and watched it burn to death.

There are teenage shenanigans and there are teenage shenanigans. This falls squarely into the latter camp.

I would have killed him.

Seriously.

Jim Jones said :

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

Where can I buy a torch? Does it come with a free white hood and cloak? It would be so much more fun if the alleged offender is indigenous.

Incidentally, I did some very naughty things when I was 16, even older. Most of you probably did too. Feel free to cast the first stone anyway. We all love a hypocrite.

MHW

EvanJames said :

mcFactor said :

PearlGem said :

I ask if any one of you here felt they were unaware of right and wrong at the age of 16?

good point. he is not 5 or 10 yo, he is 16.

And 5 or 10 year olds aren’t going around, routinely setting fire to animals and watching them burn to death.

We have to be clear about what cannot be excused or argued away, and this kind of sickening cruelty falls into that category. There can be no mitigating circumstances, and the bottom line is that this person must never have the opportunity to do this ever again.

I don’t think this case is going to be punishable at all. If what I read was fact then this is one sick human with little or no real chance of healing. Its just a sad life for all. Dogs are a special kind too. Just shocking.

mcFactor said :

PearlGem said :

I ask if any one of you here felt they were unaware of right and wrong at the age of 16?

good point. he is not 5 or 10 yo, he is 16.

And 5 or 10 year olds aren’t going around, routinely setting fire to animals and watching them burn to death.

We have to be clear about what cannot be excused or argued away, and this kind of sickening cruelty falls into that category. There can be no mitigating circumstances, and the bottom line is that this person must never have the opportunity to do this ever again.

Lynch mob! … oooooh, look at the pretty torches burning.

chrisi said :

This guy obviously has serious mental issues, I really dont think the parents could have ‘prevented’ anything. It’s not like he brought the dogs into the lounge room and did it. Blaming poor upbringing on someone so obviously disturbed doesnt accomplish anything.

Saying he “obviously has serious mental issues” absolves him of responsibility unnecessarily.

Saying the parents couldn’t have prevented anything, absolves them of responsibility, but also makes your “serious mental issues” diagnosis look very shaky.

PearlGem said :

I ask if any one of you here felt they were unaware of right and wrong at the age of 16?

good point. he is not 5 or 10 yo, he is 16.

astrojax said :

the parents/guardians are responsible for the provision of appropriate care for a minor, not as a scapegoat or surrogate for the minor’s behaviour – i wish this trope would disappear from the vernacular. i wonder if you have children…

I have children and if my child grew up to treat animals and potentially humans in the same way that this young man has done, I would take a look at what I could have done to prevent something like that occuring. They obviously aren’t taking appropriate care of the child that runs around the neighbourhood setting animals on fire.

This guy obviously has serious mental issues, I really dont think the parents could have ‘prevented’ anything. It’s not like he brought the dogs into the lounge room and did it. Blaming poor upbringing on someone so obviously disturbed doesnt accomplish anything.

But my real critisism is the law, and how people affected by drugs or alcohol or mental issues (I especially hate “temporary insanity”) are no longer responsible for their actions. It shouldnt excuse what they’ve done, it shouldnt lower their penalty. Lock them up. Lock them up regardless of ‘why’ they did it. They can get the appropriate help IN CUSTODY, and they can serve the same time any other person would receive. Lowering it because they weren’t right ‘in the head’ at the time is a slap in the face to the victims.

Also, animal cruelty needs mandatory jail time…. just like running away from police. Make the penalty so high people wont ever consider doing it. 5 years or something. It’s not acceptable the way it is.

Unfortunately we don’t have the equivalent of Broadmoor (home of Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper) or California Medical Facililty (home of Ed Kemper, a lovely bloke!!) where this animal can be caged and studied. Perhaps he could be shipped there because I reckon he’ll be out on the streets in six months.

There are to many people in this world to be bothered giving one like this the chance to reproduce. I had moved out of home and was working full time by the time I was 16 and not because I had a troubled upbringing, quite the opposite in fact. I ask if any one of you here felt they were unaware of right and wrong at the age of 16?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Fair point. It just seems that some people don’t want to believe that some people are perfectly sane, just scum…

I don’t know if you could ever regard someone whose morals deviate to that extent from the norm as sane… Not that it really matters. In this case it is clear that this person should be removed from society to protect others.

NoImRight said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

NoImRight said :

“He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.”

Can you explain this? I dont follow. If his first crime was caused by mental illness then it should have been cured by the action so the second wasnt? Is that it?

I think conjecture about mental illness is pure speculation, and not very helpful to anyone.

I wasnt saying that is the case I was trying to establish what the poster meant by mitigating circumstances and how they would be voided.

Fair point. It just seems that some people don’t want to believe that some people are perfectly sane, just scum…

NoImRight said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

NoImRight said :

“He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.”

Can you explain this? I dont follow. If his first crime was caused by mental illness then it should have been cured by the action so the second wasnt? Is that it?

I think conjecture about mental illness is pure speculation, and not very helpful to anyone.

I wasnt saying that is the case I was trying to establish what the poster meant by mitigating circumstances and how they would be voided.

…and we all know you are the arbiter of what is and is not to be. I guess your nomenclature is the give away regards that.

I’ll humour you.

To do such a thing as has been alleged about this piece of detritus once, could conceivably be argued by a midly talented legal representative as experimental, a mistake, acting on an urge, folly of youth etc etc.

To do such a thing as has been alleged about this scum on multiple occasions shows a serious level of criminality that cannot be argued away with any justification, save for the bleating of, oh I’ve got a mental illness.

This is a cop out.

I now await your divine right to apportion judgement on my humble musings my honourable superior being in anonymity.

I want to know why he thought his friends would get a kick out of seeing the dogs… this makes me wonder if he sees what he did as wrong?! We all know that without remorse, there is no hope of rehabilitation…

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

NoImRight said :

“He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.”

Can you explain this? I dont follow. If his first crime was caused by mental illness then it should have been cured by the action so the second wasnt? Is that it?

I think conjecture about mental illness is pure speculation, and not very helpful to anyone.

I wasnt saying that is the case I was trying to establish what the poster meant by mitigating circumstances and how they would be voided.

Good God.
I just don’t understand this. I just don’t understand HOW is this fukcing possible?!… I’m on Northside and we have two labs and they are no just dogs, they are our family members.

The most recent article on the CT website states that Police found his implements of torture at the family home. Either he had them well concealed or his parents must have suspected he was up to something. Granted they might not have realised the enormity of the situation but 16 year olds generally don’t keep duct tape and a hacksaw for harmless fun. I wonder what (if any) responsibility his parents will accept in this matter.

NoImRight said :

“He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.”

Can you explain this? I dont follow. If his first crime was caused by mental illness then it should have been cured by the action so the second wasnt? Is that it?

I think conjecture about mental illness is pure speculation, and not very helpful to anyone.

breda said :

“It’s something far worse and more unpredictable, it’s a murder for the simple joy of it. It was a murder where he obviously took his time, planned it, and did the most he could to cause these poor animals prolonged suffering.”
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You need to look up ‘murder’ in the dictionary. It doesn’t apply to killing animals. If you believe otherwise, you should be setting up pickets outside every abbattoir and chicken processing plant in Australia.

If you think cruelty is a human thing, I can only assume that you have not spent much time out in the bush. Animals, insects, fish etc have no pity whatsoever.

Depends if the word was used as a noun or a verb.

A wider use of the word simply means to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously. As such, animans can be murderous to each other. It is certain that humans can murder any creature. A legal definition of the word is however another matter altogether.

Your comment with regards to slaughterhouses can be critiqued by reference to the many laws in place to ensure animals are slaughtered humanly. Of course, as recent events show, laws are not always adhered to. This just shows us (the human species) to be as barberous as any in the animal world.

“He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.”

Can you explain this? I dont follow. If his first crime was caused by mental illness then it should have been cured by the action so the second wasnt? Is that it?

buzz819 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

buzz819 said :

Ko. said :

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

How do you know they weren’t his dogs?

They weren’t his.

Does it really matter if they were his dogs?

Which they weren’t.

If you look at the time line for the posts, it wasn’t known until after this post that it wasn’t his dogs.

Thumper it was in relation to the question about trespassing and burglary charges about taking the dogs etc. So in regards to that question, yes it does matter if it was his dogs or not.

Use of the word ‘if’ as in, ‘if he snatched the dogs from someone’s yard…’ tends to lead one to the conclusion that the commenter did not know for sure and was positing.

I too would want every single charge available to be levelled at this vermin to be put. He deserves no mercy, mental illness or not. Why? Because as soon as he repeated the offence he lost all right to any use mitigating circumstances as justification.

I think you jumped the gun on this one.

This makes me sick and angry. Cruel, sick, twisted little bastard. May the hounds of hell rise from the bowels of the firery pit and hunt this wanker down. North side….Dark side.

astrojax said :

the parents/guardians are responsible for the provision of appropriate care for a minor, not as a scapegoat or surrogate for the minor’s behaviour – i wish this trope would disappear from the vernacular. i wonder if you have children…

I have children and if my child grew up to treat animals and potentially humans in the same way that this young man has done, I would take a look at what I could have done to prevent something like that occuring. They obviously aren’t taking appropriate care of the child that runs around the neighbourhood setting animals on fire.

Jethro said :

c_c said :

Chuck him in jail, let him rot for decades and let Bubba and co cause him just a fraction of the pain those dogs would have gone through.

Yeah… see.. I’m not up for the whole retribution thing. I abhor violence and find the concept of causing pain to another living being revolting. Therefore, I have no wish to see this guy tortured, or prison-raped, or whipped, or executed, or any other type of retributive punishment that has been thrown about on this thread.

However, I am all for keeping someone who captures and tortures and kills animals again and again locked up and kept away from us, simply because the public deserves to be protected from people like this.

Whether they are sane or insane isn’t the point. The point is they hunt, capture, torture and kill defenseless creatures, and we deserve to be protected from someone who does this.

Still doesn’t mean we should act out our revenge fantasies on him. Unless, of course, we want to turn into the monster we hate.

astrojax said :

BethiePrice said :

He should be charged with 3 lots of aggravated cruelty.
If he’s in Children’ Court, will his parents be charged as well? Given they are responsible for him and his actions until he reaches 18?

the parents/guardians are responsible for the provision of appropriate care for a minor, not as a scapegoat or surrogate for the minor’s behaviour – i wish this trope would disappear from the vernacular. i wonder if you have children…

The thing about the over the top comments is they are over the top comments that won’t be acted on. It’s a very upsetting story (I refrained from posting yesterday). If the person is really not right in the head and can’t help it then in fact they probably deserve some compassion but it should come with a lock and key because society definitely deserves protection from those people.

As for the parents roles, I have to admit when I hear someone get off because they were too young to be responsible my reaction is then shouldn’t someone share some level of responsibility for letting them loose like that? But surely one really important question is whether parents contributed to the development of the behaviour by their own sick behaviour or whether they were in denial about signs that something was going wrong and neglected to act or whether they had in fact been trying to get some sort of help for the behaviour.

Jethro said :

c_c said :

Chuck him in jail, let him rot for decades and let Bubba and co cause him just a fraction of the pain those dogs would have gone through.

Yeah… see.. I’m not up for the whole retribution thing. I abhor violence and find the concept of causing pain to another living being revolting. Therefore, I have no wish to see this guy tortured, or prison-raped, or whipped, or executed, or any other type of retributive punishment that has been thrown about on this thread.

However, I am all for keeping someone who captures and tortures and kills animals again and again locked up and kept away from us, simply because the public deserves to be protected from people like this.

Whether they are sane or insane isn’t the point. The point is they hunt, capture, torture and kill defenseless creatures, and we deserve to be protected from someone who does this.

Still doesn’t mean we should act out our revenge fantasies on him. Unless, of course, we want to turn into the monster we hate.

Excellent post. Assuming my support means anything…

Mental Health Worker said :

there’s a strong possibility he’s mentally ill, like this dude http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=2996, in which case the law (and common sense) says he’s not responsible for his actions. Let’s wait and see what emerges in the investigation and in court.

MHW

I went to school with several people who told us about torturing animals. They weren’t mentally ill, they were just assholes.

Jethro said :

However, I am all for keeping someone who captures and tortures and kills animals again and again locked up and kept away from us, simply because the public deserves to be protected from people like this.

Whether they are sane or insane isn’t the point. The point is they hunt, capture, torture and kill defenseless creatures, and we deserve to be protected from someone who does this.

Agree. I guess a lot of us are just venting; sickening, vicious, evil crimes like this have people responding in this way. We support our legal system because it’s the system we want. we don’t really want to have public stonings of animal torturers, pedophiles and the like, the reality of it would sicken us too.

Part of our anger is because we fear that our gutless judiciary will not do what we think they should do, which you’ve described above. Lock him up, prevent him from burning any more creatures to death, or whatever other demonic things he is likely to do.

We just don’t want these things to happen, and the people who do them must be prevented from ever doing it again. And when this doesn’t happen, we despair.

BethiePrice said :

He should be charged with 3 lots of aggravated cruelty.
If he’s in Children’ Court, will his parents be charged as well? Given they are responsible for him and his actions until he reaches 18?

the parents/guardians are responsible for the provision of appropriate care for a minor, not as a scapegoat or surrogate for the minor’s behaviour – i wish this trope would disappear from the vernacular. i wonder if you have children…

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We are not barbarians people.

Speak for yourself.

…does it appear to any one that we are seeing more and more examples of animal cruelty…?

More than appears, there’s evidence of sorts.

Tuggeranong is a hot spot for missing animals, particularly dogs. Michael Linke of the RSPCA was kind enough to supply their data to me late last year and the numbers were quite eye-opening. I put the question to him after my partner noticed an unusually large number of missing pet posters around our local shops.

I’d link the subsequent story and numbers, but unfortunately all the links to The Canberra Times’ pre-Fairfax metro site are broken.

Gungahlin Al said :

buzz819 said :

Ko. said :

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

How do you know they weren’t his dogs?

They weren’t his.

Does it really matter if they were his dogs?

Which they weren’t.

If you look at the time line for the posts, it wasn’t known until after this post that it wasn’t his dogs.

Thumper it was in relation to the question about trespassing and burglary charges about taking the dogs etc. So in regards to that question, yes it does matter if it was his dogs or not.

shauno said :

Not really much to discuss here. The evidence over the years is in on the likely hood of a junior serial killer in the making here so I think the court is correct to detain the young devil. I guess more will come out soon and its interesting he has a penchant for fire.

Sigh. This is why science for the masses is a bad idea. That so called research has long been proven wrong. After some proper scientists researched the control group.

He is a risk to humans because he wrote down his fantasies about killing people. Kind of a lucky coincidence in this case, I reckon.

“It’s something far worse and more unpredictable, it’s a murder for the simple joy of it. It was a murder where he obviously took his time, planned it, and did the most he could to cause these poor animals prolonged suffering.”
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You need to look up ‘murder’ in the dictionary. It doesn’t apply to killing animals. If you believe otherwise, you should be setting up pickets outside every abbattoir and chicken processing plant in Australia.

If you think cruelty is a human thing, I can only assume that you have not spent much time out in the bush. Animals, insects, fish etc have no pity whatsoever.

This kid is obviously a real worry, and as a softie for pets myself, my sympathies go out to the owners. But really, the anal rape fantasies (put him in a cell with Bubba) that appear here every time an unpleasant crime is reported are getting old. I daresay that somewhere in Fyshwick or Mitchell, Bubba is available for hire, so perhaps connecting with him would provide some release.

On the face of it, we have a very disturbed teenager. All the rest is speculation and the kind of moral outrage that makes some people feel good about themselves.

buzz819 said :

Ko. said :

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

How do you know they weren’t his dogs?

They weren’t his.

c_c said :

Chuck him in jail, let him rot for decades and let Bubba and co cause him just a fraction of the pain those dogs would have gone through.

Yeah… see.. I’m not up for the whole retribution thing. I abhor violence and find the concept of causing pain to another living being revolting. Therefore, I have no wish to see this guy tortured, or prison-raped, or whipped, or executed, or any other type of retributive punishment that has been thrown about on this thread.

However, I am all for keeping someone who captures and tortures and kills animals again and again locked up and kept away from us, simply because the public deserves to be protected from people like this.

Whether they are sane or insane isn’t the point. The point is they hunt, capture, torture and kill defenseless creatures, and we deserve to be protected from someone who does this.

Still doesn’t mean we should act out our revenge fantasies on him. Unless, of course, we want to turn into the monster we hate.

SnapperJack said :

Look, I know I might be expressing an unpopular view here but could we all please show a bit of restraint before Rioters begin jumping overboard? Pouring vitriol onto this young man will help nobody and might very well unfairly influence the course of justice in this case.

Ya think!

This sort of act goes well beyond killing. This isn’t some dim wit who had a few too many and punched some guy too hard, or got into a fight with another driver and stabbed them. This isn’t a bikie shooting a rival or a scorned lover. Basically, this isn’t a murder about anger. It’s something far worse and more unpredictable, it’s a murder for the simple joy of it. It was a murder where he obviously took his time, planned it, and did the most he could to cause these poor animals prolonged suffering.

Just what constitutes overboard when Rioters are speaking of something (I can’t bring myself to say someone) that takes pleasure and takes time to end the life of a defenceless creature. And then does it again. And again.

Chuck him in jail, let him rot for decades and let Bubba and co cause him just a fraction of the pain those dogs would have gone through.

Mental Health Worker said :

there’s a strong possibility he’s mentally ill, like this dude http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=2996, in which case the law (and common sense) says he’s not responsible for his actions. Let’s wait and see what emerges in the investigation and in court.

MHW

Culibrk, who represented himself

Enough said about his family upbring

Not really much to discuss here. The evidence over the years is in on the likely hood of a junior serial killer in the making here so I think the court is correct to detain the young devil. I guess more will come out soon and its interesting he has a penchant for fire.

And this is why my dog will always be an inside dog when I’m not home 🙁

Mental Health Worker said :

there’s a strong possibility he’s mentally ill, like this dude http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=2996, in which case the law (and common sense) says he’s not responsible for his actions. Let’s wait and see what emerges in the investigation and in court.

I am not a doctor, but it seems like a certainty that there are serious psych issues here – no sane person does things like what this guy is alleged to have done.

The people calling for this guy to be tortured and/or killed might also want to consider whether that’s a rational response…

there’s a strong possibility he’s mentally ill, like this dude http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=2996, in which case the law (and common sense) says he’s not responsible for his actions. Let’s wait and see what emerges in the investigation and in court.

MHW

There is no hope whatsoever for people who mutilate animals. It’s only a matter of time until some poor human cops it.

Ah yes this is the lovely young individual who has killing someone in his bucket list. Now just what do they put in those syringes used in the US to execute undesirables??????

buzz819 said :

Ko. said :

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

How do you know they weren’t his dogs?

The article said he lured and in one instance snatched from a yard.

I don’t know they weren’t his dogs but on the evidence given…..

cranky said :

My first reaction on reading of this individual’s deeds was to advocate setting him alight to see how he liked it. Truly awful conduct.

But on reflection, this individual’s actions are so far out of kilter with normal standards, he must have gross mental health problems. Does beating tripe out of him or locking him up forever really help him or anyone else?

It’s possible to be truly bad, without having to be mad.

I pity the Judge handing down sentance, with, I suspect, few avenues of mental health detention available to them.

Good. Lets hope he gets banged up for the rest of his natural, with no parole. Call me an old softy, but it’s the least I can say he deserves. As a Northside dog owner, I’d rather he was actually put to sleep humanely, but we don’t have that option.

My first reaction on reading of this individual’s deeds was to advocate setting him alight to see how he liked it. Truly awful conduct.

But on reflection, this individual’s actions are so far out of kilter with normal standards, he must have gross mental health problems. Does beating tripe out of him or locking him up forever really help him or anyone else?

I pity the Judge handing down sentance, with, I suspect, few avenues of mental health detention available to them.

Watson said :

Disinformation said :

JazzyJess said :

This young man needs an immediate psychiatric assessment. Regardless of whether or not the serial killer/animal abuser link is a myth, he presents a huge danger to the wider community and their pets.

The immediate evidence would suggest that he is a danger to dogs only.

The immediate evidence says otherwise.

But not based on his actions in relation to the dogs. But it was what triggered them to analyse the files on his iPad and discover his bucket list, which seems to be what convinced the magistrate to keep him locked up. That and him not showing signs of being likely to re-offend.

*That and him showing signs of being likely to re-offend.

Chop71 said :

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/killing-someone-on-accused-teens-bucket-list-20120222-1tmx4.html

Why stop at animals really? I really want to see this kid locked up; setting dogs on fire, chopping them up … these are family pets?!

Can anyone elaborate on what North Canberra suburb they are referring to because, I guess I just love my dogs.

Ko. said :

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

How do you know they weren’t his dogs?

If he snatched the dog from someones yard shouldn’t he be up on theft and trespass charges too?

If he’s this psycho at 16 god help us all when he gets out…

Disinformation said :

JazzyJess said :

This young man needs an immediate psychiatric assessment. Regardless of whether or not the serial killer/animal abuser link is a myth, he presents a huge danger to the wider community and their pets.

The immediate evidence would suggest that he is a danger to dogs only.

The immediate evidence says otherwise.

But not based on his actions in relation to the dogs. But it was what triggered them to analyse the files on his iPad and discover his bucket list, which seems to be what convinced the magistrate to keep him locked up. That and him not showing signs of being likely to re-offend.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

he attracted dogs to him, probably by calling them, and then set fire to them, and watched them burn alive

Think about that for a second.

And then let it sink in.

And this is exactly the point. Forget what he may or may not become in the future, the legal system has to deal with what he has actually done.

Well said.

And lets not let his ‘mental health assessment’ get in the way of dispensing any justice that meets the expectations of the community shall we?

AndrewW said :

SnapperJack said :

Look, I know I might be expressing an unpopular view here but could we all please show a bit of restraint before Rioters begin jumping overboard? Pouring vitriol onto this young man will help nobody and might very well unfairly influence the course of justice in this case.

What a strange issue for you to leap to the defence of…

Would you be urging the same level of restraint if the alleged perpetrator was a woman, refugee, or latte-sipping lefty?

What a strange reply. What exactly are you trying to say in that last sentence?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/killing-someone-on-accused-teens-bucket-list-20120222-1tmx4.html

why is he noted as a “northside boy”, is it because of his age they can’t say what suburb he is from?

SnapperJack said :

Look, I know I might be expressing an unpopular view here but could we all please show a bit of restraint before Rioters begin jumping overboard? Pouring vitriol onto this young man will help nobody and might very well unfairly influence the course of justice in this case.

What a strange issue for you to leap to the defence of…

Would you be urging the same level of restraint if the alleged perpetrator was a woman, refugee, or latte-sipping lefty?

BethiePrice said :

He should be charged with 3 lots of aggravated cruelty.
If he’s in Children’ Court, will his parents be charged as well? Given they are responsible for him and his actions until he reaches 18?

Ooh good he’s been done for 2.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/killing-someone-on-accused-teens-bucket-list-20120222-1tmx4.html

He should be charged with 3 lots of aggravated cruelty.
If he’s in Children’ Court, will his parents be charged as well? Given they are responsible for him and his actions until he reaches 18?

he attracted dogs to him, probably by calling them, and then set fire to them, and watched them burn alive

Think about that for a second.

And then let it sink in.

And this is exactly the point. Forget what he may or may not become in the future, the legal system has to deal with what he has actually done.

Jim Jones said :

Just aside from that, does it appear to any one that we are seeing more and more examples of animal cruelty, or does it just appear that way due to greater reporting?

Sadly, I think that it’s just greater reporting which is bringing it to the public eye.

Why ‘sadly’? More reporting and a higher profile is a good thing, certainly better than letting cruelty cases fly under the radar. The more awareness there is and the more community involvement in animal welfare, the better.

JazzyJess said :

This young man needs an immediate psychiatric assessment. Regardless of whether or not the serial killer/animal abuser link is a myth, he presents a huge danger to the wider community and their pets.

The immediate evidence would suggest that he is a danger to dogs only.

Your immediate assumption that he is a danger to anything else is based on unsubstanciated conjecture, fueled by the ingestion of far too much non scientific information and general ignorance.

I just want him horsewhipped.
I’ll provide the whip and the expertise.
The effectiveness of community action is far far underappreciated.

This young man needs an immediate psychiatric assessment. Regardless of whether or not the serial killer/animal abuser link is a myth, he presents a huge danger to the wider community and their pets. My heart breaks for those poor dogs and their owners. Why did it take so long to catch this kid if he’s been at it for months (as is implied in the second CT article)?????

EvanJames said :

If the “justice” this “person” receives doesn’t reflect public sentiment about cases like this, then we have cause to doubt our justice system. I don’t care about any “mitigating” circumstances, because there can be none.

Not coming down on either side here but should sentences “reflect public sentiment”? Isnt that getting a little close to lynch mobs style? Sentences should reflect all details brought out in the trial not the knee jerk reaction of the few based on edited highlights.

And no Im not defending this person at all, seems a pretty vile action to me.

54-11 said :

There’s always someone who ruins a thoroughly enjoyable public hanging.

I don’t care about the serial killer thing. I care that he attracted dogs to him, probably by calling them, and then set fire to them, and watched them burn alive.

That’s what I care about, and if this piece of manure was in front of me, I’d deal with him myself. If the law doesn’t, it will be just another disappointing failure of the system that is meant to stop people from meting out their version of justice.

Jim Jones said :

EvanJames said :

If the “justice” this “person” receives doesn’t reflect public sentiment about cases like this, then we have cause to doubt our justice system. I don’t care about any “mitigating” circumstances, because there can be none.

EJ is correct.

There are no mitigating circumstances whatsoever.

One does not burn and dismember dogs because they had a sad upbringing.

Just aside from that, does it appear to any one that we are seeing more and more examples of animal cruelty, or does it just appear that way due to greater reporting?

Sadly, I think that it’s just greater reporting which is bringing it to the public eye.

On the whole ‘serial killer’s begin by torturing animals thing’; I was talking to a criminologist the other day (as you do) and brought up the issue. She told me that the whole thing started when there was a study done of sociopaths, and the study revealed a significant proportion (something like 25-30%) of sociopaths who admitted torturing animals (in one way or another) when they were young. The study identified this as significant, and it entered into the public mind (largely through representations in popular media that picked up on the trope).

Later research, however, questioned the findings of the initial study, and conducted more thorough research, including segments of the population that weren’t sociopaths. Apparently there’s no significant difference between sociopaths and non-sociopaths when it comes to torturing animals.

There’s always someone who ruins a thoroughly enjoyable public hanging.

EvanJames said :

If the “justice” this “person” receives doesn’t reflect public sentiment about cases like this, then we have cause to doubt our justice system. I don’t care about any “mitigating” circumstances, because there can be none.

EJ is correct.

There are no mitigating circumstances whatsoever.

One does not burn and dismember dogs because they had a sad upbringing.

Just aside from that, does it appear to any one that we are seeing more and more examples of animal cruelty, or does it just appear that way due to greater reporting?

Sadly, I think that it’s just greater reporting which is bringing it to the public eye.

On the whole ‘serial killer’s begin by torturing animals thing’; I was talking to a criminologist the other day (as you do) and brought up the issue. She told me that the whole thing started when there was a study done of sociopaths, and the study revealed a significant proportion (something like 25-30%) of sociopaths who admitted torturing animals (in one way or another) when they were young. The study identified this as significant, and it entered into the public mind (largely through representations in popular media that picked up on the trope).

Later research, however, questioned the findings of the initial study, and conducted more thorough research, including segments of the population that weren’t sociopaths. Apparently there’s no significant difference between sociopaths and non-sociopaths when it comes to torturing animals.

Absolutely disgusting. I hope this little prick gets sent away for a long time. There are no excuses for this kind of behaviour.

This may be one of the most disturbing crimes I have read about on this site.

Hearing about this stuff just makes me sick. Hope this little s*** gets locked up, I can only guess at how much pain the families of the dogs feel…..

buzz819 said :

Wow, that is pretty disturbing.

Que the comments about serial killers, hanging the youth and dismembering them.

They are a sick bastard.

While it may not indicate “serial killer” it does most certainly point to the fact there is something really wrong with this kid. He really needs to be assessed mentaly to find out why he would have the urge to do this to animals.

If the “justice” this “person” receives doesn’t reflect public sentiment about cases like this, then we have cause to doubt our justice system. I don’t care about any “mitigating” circumstances, because there can be none.

Punishments for people who torture or neglect animals are notoriously lax .. she/he/they will get a slap on the wrist and be allowed to own animals from here to eternity.

Look, I know I might be expressing an unpopular view here but could we all please show a bit of restraint before Rioters begin jumping overboard? Pouring vitriol onto this young man will help nobody and might very well unfairly influence the course of justice in this case.

Good God.

There are just no words. I don’t say this very much, but there really is no hope for someone like this – euthanise him before he does further damage.

You scummy little f***wit, I hope someone ends your miserable existence.

Wow, that is pretty disturbing.

Que the comments about serial killers, hanging the youth and dismembering them.

They are a sick bastard.