ANU student booted out for religious chants?

Typical, the Canberra Times was too political correct to mention his name.

Us too have a problem with a me or we statement.

“It is us or them”

No, it bloody well isn’t. Thinking like this is what leads to this bullsh!t in the first place.

Him, you, me, we’re all people. As soon as you make a statement like “well, yeah, but they’re different”, you’re heading down a slippery slope.

“as soon as we all unite to address this problem”

… but what would you think if someone said the same words, but *you* were the problem?

It’s time people grew up and stopped assuming that they’re better than everyone else.

CC, my pst was meant in jest.Unlike some of the other diatribe that as been rolled out.

As for delusional, I’m not the one who has developed a conspiracy theory theory around the fact that sometimes i can be a jerk.

Ranting is for two year olds CC, your posts on here regarding your problems have shown a self centered and self obsessed view common to a two year olds arguments and can’t be taken as “the facts”, but you’re entitled to your opinions.

Good point SINNER ACT, where is our local muslim leader in all of this? Shouldn’t he be putting this guy in his place (ie. there’s a time and a place for practising)??

Here here.

people people people
lets look at the issue here. these days if someone is behaving like this and saying extremist things than we should take it seriously! cause let me tell you if he blew himself up at the anu or on a bus etc than everyone will be saying oh we didnt think he would do anything or something silly like that.. remember these people are taught by their pathetic leadership to be savage, blood thirsty, and ruthless just look at what they do when they get the chance.
It is us or them and the sooner people realise this and we all unite to address this problem the sooner we can get on with life. i have also had enough of muslims not standing up against people like this in their community and dealing with them.

“Christians just blow up government buildings in down town Oklahoma in the name of Jesus”

I wasn’t aware that Timothy was a Christian: I thought he was just another paranoid, angry young redneck.

Read this, and buy this before continuiing wuth debate please.

Fixing linky things

a href=”http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOCONNOR/429/429lect13.htm”>Read this, and this. It should clear a bit of the ambiguity that seems to be polluting some minds.

“And Law likes to think that their students are the “elite of The Australian National University”!!!!”

Who said elite people have to be sane.
Here’s the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

So what? It has nothing to do with the issue.

It has to do with earlier comments that only muslims are terrorists. Christians get a bit uncomfortable when you point out to them that there are just as many nut-bags advocating violence in the name of their religion as others

The question I have, is that if he was chanting AND doing the actions, did the carpet actually take off?

Well following that logic Mael, we should never have fought the Germans either.

Last time I checked Christians weren’t flying planes into buildings, planning Caliphate’s, declaring fatwas on the west, beheading western hostages etc.

No, Christians just blow up government buildings in down town Oklahoma in the name of Jesus

Actually Ralph, I was quite happy leaving Iraq in the hands of a malevolent dictator.

If sufficient Iraqi’s had a problem with him, they had every right to oust him all on their very own. There was no requirement for anybody that is a non-Iraqi to get involved at all.

This is a professional military opinion, given to you by an ex-member of the military.

I’d heard that he was making his little political statements during the Australian Constitutional Law lectures – can anyone confirm?

Hopefully he’ll continue to act like a tool and then we can get rid of him altogether.

And Law likes to think that their students are the “elite of The Australian National University”!!!!

CWNA if you want to make racist comments, don’t associate my screen name with them. OK jerk?

Secondly, it sounds like the ANU is at least following the disciplinary procedures in this matter (although I have to question the publication of the guy’s name here). In my case, CIT followed no procedures whatsoever and appear to have built a case based on fraud. Something they have done to other students and staff before me and are no doubt continuing to do as a result of the various pollies obsessive desire to cover up their complicity in the matter.

Either avail yourself of the facts, or shut-the-f@*k-up. And there’s plenty of documents on line as you can see. If you think that doesn’t provide evidence their treatment of me was suss as all get out, I got lots more. But if you need more convincing, I’d have to wonder if you aren’t delusional.

ccraven.blogspot.com

Fortunately CWNA, it’s not the opinion of ignoramuses like you that matter.

“The guy is a muslim, he was yelling out radical muslim statements.”

Now his muslim statements have become radical muslim statements. When do religious statements become radical? Was he busting a 720 on a half pipe at the time??

Christians leaders invade Iraq

Ohhh so you would’ve been happy then to have the Iraqis continue to be ruled by a malevolent dictator?

but to bandy around assumptions such as Fanatic, terrorist and mentally ill is inappropriate and ignorant.

My mistake, it’s ‘diversity’.

“Last time I checked Christians weren’t flying planes into buildings, planning Caliphate’s, declaring fatwas on the west, beheading western hostages etc.”

Nah, Christians leaders invade Iraq, curb civil rights and deny global warming.

How did anyone come to the conclusion Willy suffers from a mental illness?
Inappropriate expression of religious ideology does not = fanaticism which in turn does not = mental instability. What it does suggest is the personal interpretation of certain religious fundamental principals may be taken out of context or projected in a manner which is ignorant to other society’s cultures or religious beliefs/dogma.
Everyone has their own opinions on terrorism, religion and social values.
Willy may be out of line.. But to suggest he is sick is reckless and an insult to Willy and other practising Muslims who may just be trying to be the best possible person/disciple they can under different circumstances/influences.
I am not for 1 iota of a second condoning Religious zealots or fanaticism to the point of terrorism but what I am suggesting as Deadmandrinking has previously stated is that people interpret things differently and without proper guidance we can all make mistakes.
The ANU obviously took the correct course of action with Willey under the circumstances but to bandy around assumptions such as Fanatic, terrorist and mentally ill is inappropriate and ignorant.
As it has already been suggested you have to have some degree of intelligence to participating in a Law course at ANU and I Hope you address your issues soon Willy and find some semblance of equilibrium between your religious convictions and your career aspirations.

May I take my cue, Ralph. Honestly (and this is to barking toad now) I think people are as sick of hearing about the bible’s ‘stonings for working on sunday’ as they are of hearing the Alcohol vs. Weed arguments in drug legalization debates.
The fact of the matter is, the doctrines for all major religions (bar scientology – debate it’s status as a religeon all you like) were written thousands of years ago in more primitive times. Also, all religions tend to have different groups within their believers that interpret their doctrine in different ways. Do Protestants rub shoulders with Jehovah’s Witnesses often? How about Mormons and Catholics? It sounds about as realistic as moderate muslims getting together with the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
But that’s not really the subject here. The ANU did the right thing and hopefully this young man (whom I assume is otherwise bright) will get a hold of himself and be able to finish his degree and go on to be successful career-wise and content spiritually-wise.
The fact that he is a Muslim is irrelevant – all kinds of religions and belief-systems have been twisted to benefit totalitarians. Darwin/Hitler anyone?

Quite frankly, the rednecks posting here scare me more than some nutter spouting off in the lecture theatre.

Bloody rednecks. They’ve done more to destroy the Australian way of life than anybody else. Cowards. Xenophobic babies. Protect us from the outside world, please save us Mr Government, waah, waah.

correction: bumbling burger should be bumbling burglar.

Kind of scary if he was (or one day may be) a terrorist. I mean, UAI of 95 or more to get into the legal course. With those brains, he’d be more than your average bumbling burger, and I dare say smarter than a lot of the police and intelligence agencies.

AI would presume this guy was paying to go to one of the best law schools in Australia. And that he had to pass exams to get in. How did such a nut job get in? And what makes these people tick?

Mental illness is a strange thing, asp.

“Mr Willy Yuan Mi”… Muslim?

An Asian Muslim. Who ever heard of such a thing? You’ll be telling me there are white criminals next.

“I think people have been brainwashed by the govt propaganda. Does religion + mental problems = terrorist? I think people are being too quick to tag this slightly disturbed guy as a terrorist.”

You’re right kramer, he’s not automatically a terrorist. But mental problem+religious fanaticism = increase chance of falling in with the radicallists who are capable of carrying out attacks. Put simply, even if he’s not yet a danger, he may well be in the future. Which is why I hope they’ll get him some pro help and dope him up real good.

AI would presume this guy was paying to go to one of the best law schools in Australia. And that he had to pass exams to get in. How did such a nut job get in? And what makes these people tick?

I doubt the ‘radical’ and ‘terrorist’ tags would be applied if this was a student spruiking Christianity

Last time I checked Christians weren’t flying planes into buildings, planning Caliphate’s, declaring fatwas on the west, beheading western hostages etc.

Cue now for some leftist to bring up the IRA…

I find it interesting that the ANU did not specifiy the nature of the “religious convictions”, yet the Daily Telegraph added that one sentence: “He is understood to be a Muslim.”

Trust the Tele to fan anti-Muslim sentiment whenever they get the chance.

quote “Does religion + mental problems = terrorist?”

hmmm, maybe a terrorist = mental problems + religion

…anyway, the ANU’s pov is that religion + mental problems = pita

Lets say you adhere to a culture where “face” and “honour” is prized (some “honour” issues can be lethal for females) and lets say you are a student having a hard time passing the course… what to do? Student counselling? Nah. If you need a course-exit-which-maintains-family-face ™ you could simply amp up your devotions and chants (to put the dhimmis/infidels on the offensive) and depart as a rolled-gold-honourable-martyr.

Yes, let’s not overreact. I think the poor young man was probably just a little mentally unwell, I doubt the ‘radical’ and ‘terrorist’ tags would be applied if this was a student spruiking Christianity (like all those Christian nut jobs you see around Civic/Sydney CBD etc). Still, I agree it’s legitimate to exclude him, it does sound very disruptive.

I think people have been brainwashed by the govt propaganda. Does religion + mental problems = terrorist? I think people are being too quick to tag this slightly disturbed guy as a terrorist.

Regardless I think ANU have taken the right actions, and hopefully this guy will sort himself out and return as a model student in 28 days. All the best to him.

Meanwhile remember your brainwashing people: be alert not alarmed.

Well said BT.

I’ll respect other people beliefs, even If i think religion is a little out dated. But this guy is just plain stuffed in the head. Hopefully ASIO will start a file on it, and keep far away from Mick Keelty’s keystone cops.

Agree.

So, I assume from the reports it’s yet another example of an adherent of the religion of pieces and beheading trying to impose their sick 7th century ideology onto a democratic society.

And following the usual tactics of using our democratic process of free speech to claim victimhood.

“David Hicks”… Muslim?

“Mr Willy Yuan Mi”… Muslim?

Well from my reading of that, it is good that the ANU has taken action to kick this (apparently) radical Islamic out, as opposed to brushing it off as a ‘cultural misunderstanding’.

From the all knowing facebook:

Dear Students

Some of you will know that, following a pattern of disruptive behaviour, a fellow student was forcibly removed from class last Friday by ANU Security, and that the police were also involved. Students in the class, and in other classes where this behaviour has occurred, will particularly want to know what is going on, whether there is any cause for alarm, and what they should do if it happens again.

The student, Mr Willy Yuan Mi, has been interrupting classes to make statements about his religious convictions. It has been pointed out to him, by a number of colleagues over a considerable period of time, that, while we respect his religious beliefs, there are appropriate and inappropriate ways of expressing them, and that to disrupt class is inappropriate. Mr Mi continued to engage in this behaviour despite repeated warnings, and eventually a formal direction, that he must desist, and that, if he did not, he could be excluded from the university for misconduct. He has now been excluded, as a result of action both by the university and the police, for a period of 28 days, pending misconduct proceedings. On Friday, following his release from police custody, he returned to Sydney with his family.

This is no guarantee, of course, that he will not attempt to continue to attend class and engage in similar behaviour. The university is in the course of taking legal action to prevent that, but should it occur, the university will again need to take steps to have him removed. If you know Mr Mi, and you see him in class or otherwise on campus, you are under no obligation to take any particular action, but you are entitled and may wish to report the fact to ANU Security (6125 2249) or the ANU College of Law Sub-Dean Dr JP Fonteyne (6125 4317).

We have no evidence that Mr Mi is likely to pose any physical threat to others, but I can understand why you might be concerned given the prominence accorded to security issues in today’s world. We are concerned about your security, and we are concerned also about Mr Mi’s health and well-being and have taken steps to endeavour to address that too. I apologise if any of you have been distracted by these events, and hope in earnest that they will not recur.

With kind regards

Michael Coper

Crazy Chester with a tea towel on her head?