Coroner clears Police of any involvement in pursuit death

“- Not registering my car, saving me hundreds of dollars a year
– removing my number plates, making my car unidentifiable
– speeding to work and running red lights, making my journey quicker;
– and talking on my mobile phone (whilst do the above) saving time as I’ll be multi tasking.”

You’d probably be in jail when you got caught. They’d make mincemeat of Riot-Act posters such as yourself. But still; you win!

I agree with the Council for Civil Liberties who are saying that all the recommendations of former commonwealth ombudsman Alan Cameron should be implemented. That is to say that Police should not pursue for traffic offences.

I look forward to

– Not registering my car, saving me hundreds of dollars a year
– removing my number plates, making my car unidentifiable
– speeding to work and running red lights, making my journey quicker;
– and talking on my mobile phone (whilst do the above) saving time as I’ll be multi tasking.

If the cops tried to stop me, I wouldn’t stop. They wouldn’t be able to pursue me, no tickets for me. If they managed to find out who I was, and send me to court and I got found guilty (highly unlikely due to the ACTs identification evidence laws), then next time (and there would be a next time, no way I would get a custodial sentence in the ACT) I would just have to use a stolen car. It wouldn’t be my fault I was driving a stolen cars it would be the systems fault.

Cant agree more HA. But it is much easier to blame the Police rather than their own daughter or the 14 yr old kid! People seem to blame Police because it is easy and facilitated by the media. I can only assume that People look for that easy someone else to blame.

Can we come back to torts for a second here people: the Rose family bayed for police blood, demanding a coronial inquest. They have bayed for blame since the day the very sad decision was maded to let their daughter die peacefully in hopsital. It was a dreadful tragedy all round. But Rose family (step dad and mum): give it a rest now. The police MUST pursue criminals in the act, and we must accept that they cannot predict what this will always lead to. That is not carte blanche for police to pursue recklessly, and in the main, they do not. The AFP pursuit guidelines are very strict, and involve gradations of seniority in the Comms room once a pursuit is called in.

From the moment the stolen vehicle was followed, and then ultimately pursued, there were risks.

When we go out at night and drink, whether we’re pedestrians or drivers, let’s remember how our judgment is ultimately affected by alcohol. Clea’s decision to keep crossing Bunda Street when her friends’ decision was to step back, was prophetic…and no doubt influenced by the high level of alcohol in Clea’s blood. This has only been reported once before in the Canberra Times, and has been pretty much glossed over.

This is in NO way an excuse for the scum bag kid driving the stolen car who killed her. But when the family is looking to lay blame two and a half years later, and when the community is being goaded into believing it’s all the coppers’ fault, stop and take a long hard look at yourself. It’s not as simple as blame, and it’s not in this case anyway, the police’s fault.

Vale Clea Rose. Now let it go, and let it rest.

Greater penalties = bigger/more jails
maybe we could build another one at Tralee

I shall post this on both threads, for the benefit of DMD…

Officer plod, driving along London Circuit when it is dark… follow so far? Juvenille drives stolen car out of car park in opposite direction. From juvenille’s sworn evidence during the coronial inquest, he stated that the second he saw the AFP badge on the sleeve of the driver of the unmarked sedan, he took off and made the decision to drive down East Row. This was prior to police activiating lights and sirens, and prior to the police vehicle even following the stolen car. That’s when Clea Rose had her fate sealed. Geez, if only those silly plods didn’t leave the station that night, none of this would have happened.

And for the purpose of this thread, I can guarantee that the manner of drunk drivers attracts the attention of the plods in the first place. They don’t all of a sudden start driving like fools when a police car is behind them, they do that the minute they get behind the wheel.

My dad reads this site.

Pointless argument bd84, DMD obviously has a prior grievance with officers of the law. Been in a bit of trouble before, perhaps?

Deadmandrinking: give up the drinking then you might make some sense.

In any situation there is going to be danger, people in stolen cars are dangerous, drunk drivers are dangerous.. there’s going to be a risk to someone at some point. If these people know that they can get away with it just by gunning it, it’s just going to happen more often and more people will die.

Sure they might get a chopper, what’s the use in the some 2 minutes these chases normally last, it would probably take 5 mins to get a chopper up, I think you will find the outlay of money wouldn’t be worth it for the small area the ACT occupies anyway, anything combined with SouthCare would also be difficult seeing it spends most of its time in NSW.

Stop “spike” sticks are no safer than anything else, the driver can still lose control and hit someone, there is no indication of a specific area cleared for their useage.. and they are used in police chases in the first place!

You can read a numberplate 30 seconds after a car has gone past? your beer goggles must have telescopic lenses, try standing on any road and watch a car go past and count to 30.. you wouldn’t even see the car after about 10 seconds bar a dot on the horizon especially if it was stolen and speeding away. You will find the first thing they do is check the rego.. stolen.. not much is going to help the police after that unless the catch them, and sitting and waving grabbing a description of “male with brown hair” if anything at all as they speed off certainly isn’t going to help.

There are risks involved in any option the police choose, people need to let them do their jobs instead of putting more bullshit restrictions on them.

Ghostbusters.

They’re about as factual as AFP policing.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I kill myself.

(sorry, AFP, I know you just need more money.)