1 September 2025

(Most) MPs quick to denounce Sunday's anti-immigration rallies

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Pauline Hanson at the March for Australia Rally 31 August 2025

Pauline Hanson at the March for Australia rally in Canberra yesterday (31 August). Photo: Pauline Hanson Facebook.

Some of Canberra’s federal politicians have led the charge in condemning the anti-immigration rallies that took place in cities across Australia on Sunday (31 August).

Close to a thousand protestors, joined and addressed by One Nation’s Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts, gathered by Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra around 11 am before marching across Commonwealth Avenue Bridge from Regatta Point to Parliament House.

One man was arrested.

Thousands more marched in other capital and regional cities around the country. While they chanted anti-immigrant and anti-government slogans, the marches were condemned (both before and after they took place) as being hateful and hijacked by neo-Nazis.

On Monday morning, Assistant Productivity Minister and Member for Fenner, Andrew Leigh, strongly criticised the protests, including the fact that some federal parliamentarians had joined in some of them.

“The last thing we need in Australia is neo-Nazis taking the platforms to demonise immigrants,” Dr Leigh said.

“Apart from Indigenous Australians, all of us are migrants or the children of migrants. Migration has greatly strengthened Australia.

“Migrants aren’t just mouths to feed, they are muscles to build and minds to inspire.

“The story of migration is a proud story for Australia, as is the strong story of multiculturalism and the way in which we’ve managed to show the world how we can build a peaceful and tolerant democracy.

“I was really troubled by some of the scenes yesterday, including some of the attacks on police.

“There’s no place for that kind of hate mongering in Australia, and I’m troubled by the fact that some politicians seem to think that it’s okay to fuel fear for direct partisan gain.”

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Independent ACT Senator David Pocock also condemned the rallies during an ABC radio interview on Monday morning, calling for a more sensible debate on migration.

“I think this is really damaging when it comes to the message it’s sending to migrants across the country,” Senator Pocock said.

“And some of the slogans and behaviour we saw are totally unacceptable … On the broader point, one of my frustrations has been that there is a real lack of appetite from the parliament to actually have a debate about this in a sensible way.”

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley made a statement in response to the rallies. She titled the statement ‘Australia’s Social Cohesion Crisis’.

“This past weekend rallies occurred across Australia, attended by people of goodwill, but hijacked by neo-Nazis spouting hate, racism and resorting to politically motivated violence,” Ms Ley said.

“That can never be accepted. Extremism has no place in Australia.

“We must never import the bitterness of overseas conflicts into our communities.

“What unites us as Australians will always be stronger than those who seek to divide us. But we cannot take that unity for granted.”

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The Opposition Leader called on Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to show greater leadership on the issue.

“This is a moment that demands leadership. Our society is resilient, but its fabric is being steadily eroded by extremism,” she said.

“Australians expect their leaders to rise to the challenge, to call out hate in all its forms, and to bring the country together. The Prime Minister must show that leadership now.”

Liberal frontbencher Jacinta Nampijinpa Price defied her leader and praised the protests that took place around the country.

The Northern Territory Senator congratulated the marchers and dismissed the suggestion that neo-Nazis had organised the events.

In a Sky News interview on Monday, Senator Price stated that the vast majority of people who attended the rallies loved Australia.

“I know that those marches that were being held yesterday were for reigniting the spirit of Australia, to make our children proud to call themselves Australian once more,” she said.

Senator Price condemned anyone calling themselves neo-Nazis, but added that they were not representative of the majority of those people protesting at Sunday’s rallies.

Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi moved a motion in the Senate on Monday, condemning MPs who attended the rallies.

Queensland independent Bob Katter – who threatened to punch a reporter in the mouth last week for daring to ask about the federal MP’s Lebanese background – enthusiastically addressed the anti-immigration rally in Townsville on Sunday.

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Blaming immigrants and immigration for the failure of our governments over the past 20 years to do what was necessary to sustain a good standard of living is simplistic and somewhat stupid. It ignores the real issues.

The growing inequality, the massive pay increases for senior execs whilst worker pay stagnates, the failure to build public housing, the increasing profits of corporates whilst ordinary people struggle to pay the bills, the spending on pet projects that fail to deliver what’s promised (especially in defence and transport), the propping up of greedy businesses who did not need it during covid and the failure to collect appropriate royalties, taxes and fines from those companies who reap the rewards of national assets without protecting the environment or communities harmed in the process.

It would be interesting to know just how many properties those yelling immigration in the comments own. Hugo Lennon, a vocal proponent of this so called movement, his family owns 25000 houses. Definitely immigration.

Great to see John Howard smacking Albanese down about this issue this morning.

Has there ever been a more nationally divisive PM than the current one ?

Voted in 13 times and 4 as Prime Minister.

Nope, any other nominees ?

Funnily enough, I’ve never seen Albanese or Horward on my ballot paper, whatever Pengold thinks being elected in a single seat has to do with being nationally divisive.

By Pengold’s logic, the ALP holding the most ever seats by a single party in parliament and Albanese being re-elected 11 times (twice as PM) must mean Albanese has great skills to unify Australians.

Or perhaps Pengold, as usual, should work on better arguments.

Ah yes, as all young and old liberals were and are groomed by Israel, John John is second to none in his support of genocidal Israel.
Tell us penzoil, how many times has John John been to Israel (cuomo style)? And he has been such an obliging tool, so much so that he even has a forest named after him, no?
So it’s no surprise that you gush over him.

BotChaser don’t forget Bob Hawke – the one great Labor PM – and his great respect for Israel.

And don’t forget Howard won an election through leadership on this issue.

“We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.” Too right.

Netanyahu’s Israel today is a different nation to that which we all supported, before discovering the extent of the violence against Palestinians and the denial of their human rights. We now know better, so can no longer support this pariah state.

You may worship at the feet of the politically grifting old buzzard, Penfold. Others are under no such obligation.

Albanese’s main problem is that he does not want to offend, hardly divisive. He may pick up Walsh’s tag for Hawke, “old jellyback”.

Howard left Australia in structural deficit after squandering a minerals boom, left us with collapsing housing affordability and his classical dog whistle of racism around the children overboard lie and denying any racist undertone to the Cronulla riots.

His electorate voted him out.

Of course it’s a different nation psycho. Their September 11 2001 happened on October 7 2023.

You right psycho, for the past 20 years Israel has been subject to wave after wave of attacks, culminating in October 7.

Ever thought about the human rights of the Israeli people, or don’t they count ?

I think that is where my personal frustration arises. From being duped. For swallowing the lies for all these years, hook, line and sinker.
I feel terrible for allowing these things to happen in front of me without looking into the “facts”. Scratching the surface, it’s very easy to see that walking in and taking someone’s country then literally choking them for resisting is not a winning system.

Axon – Albo is more than happy to offend our friends in the USA and Israel. He’s probably sent dictator Dan some attaboy messages this week.

As for JWH – well 10 surpluses and the $300 billion Future Fund suggest you’re way off the mark. In fact if you do or will receive a public service pension you owe Howard a big thank you 😊.

Penfold seems miffed that anyone answered his question, now furiously defending his childish political assertion by lashing out at anything else in sight.

Yes, the bald buzzard did indeed squander the serendipitous surpluses. Creating a specific investment fund now for future public servant superannuation (does not include me) is economically irrelevant, though I doubt Penfold would or could understand anything about that.

A $300 billion sovereign wealth fund is “economically irrelevant”.

Wow Axon, that’s your most impressive economic observation to date ! 🫣

Pengold seems excited that Howard put $50Billion into the future fund to pay for an existing liability of public servant’s Superannuation.

Which ironically defeats his own point.

Yes yes but John John number 1 on the west side.

The John Howard Negev forest.

Planted on land illegally confiscated from 372 Palestinian villages ethnically cleansed by the Zionists during the 1948 war.

What a prize.

There was only one march in Australia where a poster of the Ayatollah was held aloft John Moulis which was widely condemned and reported in the media. I would also argue with your assertions that the level of immigration in Australia has been ramped up with no statistics that I can find to back up your claims. I am not surprised however that someone like Capital Retro has enthusiastically latched on to your comment judging by his past contributions to this site.

With a foreign name like “Moulis” I do wonder what you mean by your term “traditional Australians”. Do you have any links to your claim that many Australians are suffering due to the high levels of immigration and are moving to regional areas to reconnect to a “golden age” and a style of Australia that they grew up in in their youth?

Capital Retro12:18 pm 04 Sep 25

“..someone like Capital Retro…”.

Do you want to expand on that Jack D or will I channel Bob Katter?

Obviously John Moulis isn’t from British/Irish but he shares the culture, values and religion he and his family share along with millions of post WW2 migrants to Australia from Italy, Greece and the Baltic countries. They made Australia.

Very few Christian people are coming to Australia these days and the cultures and religions of the ones that are not assimilating well.

We are only a few years away from the problems Europe and the UK have created by doing the same thing and letting it get out of control.

Capital ree ree with some very telling takes. How exactly do you know, from your own personal experience (the experience of watching sky news doesn’t count), that our new migrants are not assimilating as quickly as you would like? Do you know each and every one of them? It started with a little tan, then it got darker and now capital retro is verrrry afraid. Glad we had people like you in our forces, very anzac of you.

It appears to me that these rallies were held in reaction to the harsh laws about so-called “hate speech” which were passed to protect the Palestinian protesters and other groups such as transgender. I am not surprised that the rallies took place because to have a government passing laws against free speech is beyond the pale.

In 1984 Professor Geoffrey Blainey began the immigration debate, singling out Asian migration. We saw several unedifying scenes including a Victorian labour politician Theo Theophanous clambering over benches in the house yelling the words “racist” and “shut up” when an opposition member tried to talk about migration and the Blaney debate. Sadly, many people on the left haven’t progressed past that mentality.

Since Covid, the level of immigration has been ramped up to unsustainable levels, and traditional Australians are suffering. Indeed many people in cities like Sydney and Melbourne are trying to move to regional areas in Queensland and northern NSW to try and get back to the style of Australia that they remembered from their youth. The Palestinian marches every weekend where people have held up posters of the Ayatollah have greatly angered and alienated mainstream Australians, and it is little wonder that many people are trying to fight back and restore the society that they grew up with and remember from the golden age in this country.

Capital Retro12:13 pm 03 Sep 25

That very relevant piece of history has probably been expunged from the left’s history manifesto JM but a lot of us still remember it, nevertheless.

Good to see you posting again too.

None of that is true.

Palestinian marches in … Australia?! This is absurd, it’s surreal! How can one take these times seriously anyway? Just adopt Japan’s anti-immigration policies; this alone would be unthinkable progress for the West. As Vox Day once wrote, to take the lead, China does not have to do much more than to simply remain Chinese as it did for the last 6,000 years. This alone is huge advantage.

There was only one march in Australia where a poster of the Ayatollah was held aloft John Moulis which was widely condemned and reported in the media. I would also argue with your assertions that the level of immigration in Australia has been ramped up with no statistics that I can find to back up your claims. I am not surprised however that someone like Capital Retro has enthusiastically latched on to your comment judging by his past contributions to this site.

With a foreign name like “Moulis” I do wonder what you mean by your term “traditional Australians”. Do you have any links to your claim that many Australians are suffering due to the high levels of immigration and are moving to regional areas to reconnect to a “golden age” and a style of Australia that they grew up in in the their youth?

Human rights and equal opportunity are so much more important than the right to say what you want no matter who you harm. That’s why we don’t have laws protecting free speech but we do have laws protecting people from discrimination and hate speech. Human rights and equal opportunity do not harm people whilst nasty aggressive comments and actions do.

Making things up isn’t going to help this debate. There are not Palestinian Marches every weekend with posters of the Ayatollah, that is nonsense. And there is zero credible evidence to underpin large chunks of the claims above.

This reeks of a White Australia Policy era window dressing post, yearning for an unachievable ideal.

And if you want to live in a society where hate speech is tolerated, please move to Israel. or the USA. Or others that do jack all to strike a true balance between free speech and hate speech. Most Australians recognise that a balance is needed, not some bizarre world where you can say and hate whatever you want, as you seem to be suggesting should be the case.

People that advocate for policies like Japan’s anti-immigration policies clearly have no clue about its implications for society, let alone issues of hot debate on a consistent basis on here like fiscal sustainability.

Clueless nonsense.

Capital Retro11:19 am 05 Sep 25

I’ll always remember that placard a 5yo boy held up at a protest march in Sydney about 10 years ago, JS9. It read:

“Behead those who oppose Islam”

Is that what you were referring to?

The footage of members of the NSN, who helped organised these protests, in Melbourne in an alleged unproved attack on a peaceful Aboriginal camp is quite sobering.

Debates over the sustainable level of immigration is perfectly legitimate. But when you’re being used by the low-life thugs and bullies of the NSN to normalise their messaging and provide cover for their violence that’s a problem

By “unproved” did you mean “unprovoked”? That would make more sense given you have already properly said “alleged”, and it was apparently unprovoked.

Given it appears to have been substantially organised by the NSN, and that the NSN spoke in two major capitals where others did not, and the NSN is overtly racist, these are properly called racist rallies sucking in more normal people with worries about immigration.

Neo-Nazis losers are getting too comfortable. This time it was only minor injuries to the women these cowards allegedly attacked, who knows where it ends.

No matter what the issue is or how important it might be it’s not possible to march with Nazis and not be in support of Nazis.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-02/thomas-sewell-arrested-court-camp-sovereignty-jacinta-allan/105726392

I was willing to just roll my eyes at it all. At the frustrated people getting conned into attending a nazi rally. But that attack cannot be ignored. Some people, hey. We’ve got a country commiting genocide overseas and nazis here, well they say fashion is cyclical.

As they say, ignorance is bliss. 😅

It’s hard to tell Axon. The far left seem to use different dictionaries than the rest of we Aussies.

Penfold, again, define “the rest of we aussies”. Sure, some may not agree with the far left but that doesn’t mean they’re all of the same opinion as you. There is a broad spectrum between far left and whatever it is that you are.

Well done TG, you’re almost talking common sense. Almost. The rest of we Aussies is self-evidently not the far left.

But you’re quite correct (oops, almost said “right”), there’s many different opinions in between. Isn’t diversity great 😉

Your assertion is that they don’t agree with the far left and your implication is that you are in the majority with the “rest of we aussies”. My point is that, while not agreeing with far left, you must have the self awareness to realise that you yourself are a minority group. It is telling also that you get so riled up when a certain group is rightfully denounced by our government.

Well TG on some issues people can sit with the majority and on others they can be in the minority. The far left – well by definition they’re always in the minority.

Btw what’s this getting “riled up” about a “certain group” ? The government cherry picking their preferred protesters shouldn’t be what governments do, noticeably Albo subtly called out Leigh yesterday.

Penfold having nothing to contribute here other than calling out typos….typical but unsurprising.

Btw I fail to what’s “far left” about calling out Nazis attacking innocent people. Please explain it to me Penfold.

And nazis are always a minority, too. So what is your point? Sure, people can attend a nazi rally and claim its just about immigration. But the egg is on their face now when the nazis attack the only people that aren’t immigrants in this country. By your own logic, all attendees are complicit in the same way all palestinian protesters support hamas. Can’t have it both ways so which one is it?

Well TG the answer is simple: more than 90% of the marchers were calling for the end of record high immigration.

That isn’t exactly an answer to the question I asked. But it really does look like you are trying to defend people attending a nazi rally. Inexcusable really. I thought you liked Israel? What does bibi think of nazism? Bibi suggests that all palestinians deserve their fate for their opposition of israel, so what of the associations of mums and dads to a nazi rally? Do you see how dangerous this line of thinking is?

It does take a level of blinkered thinking to view a rally where 90% +, possibly 99% were not neo Nazis to describe it as such. Sad.

And so then remind me, what was it you described the attendees of the palestinian peace protest as? Was it hamas supporters? I’ll say it again because your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. You can’t have it both ways. Are you starting to see what I’m getting at?

No TG, it’s most difficult to comprehend what you’re getting at. But here’s an old German joke which might resonate, though that might be optimistic. Oh well, here goes.

There’s a person driving down the highway when across the radio comes the warning “Achtung, achtung, there’s a mad driver heading down the wrong side of the autobahn”.

The driver looks out the window and say “one ? There’s hundreds of them !” 🤣

Btw to you get a sense that there’s a difference in mindset and outlook between Australians marching in Australia for Australian issues, and Australians marching in Australia for Palestinian issues ?

Capital Retro4:05 pm 04 Sep 25

I heard some German sausage jokes the other day but they are the wurst.

The rallies were organised in at least in part by actual, avowed Nazis Penfold. This is on the public record.

If you march with Nazis there is no way to divorce yourself from their shameful ideology.

Similarly if you call out someone criticising Nazis for their vile beliefs and they’re vile alleged assault on innocent women by critiquing typos it’s hard to see this action for anything other than what it is…excusing the inexcusable.

Sad? More like shameful.

Very funny CR. We need more humour in these forums. Though there’s plenty of jokes 🙂

Seano, there is no point explaining anything to these 2. They are nazis and will be avoided as such moving forward. The trolling isn’t fun when we all turn our backs on you. Goodbye penfold.

Capital Retro8:10 am 05 Sep 25

How could it be a “Nazi” rally, TG?

There were no swastikas to be seen.

CR – don’t you think there’s a certain irony on being called a nazi for defending Israel ?

Perhaps history lessons at school are different these days 😒

Capital, no one called it a “Nazi rally” but they where at least in part organised by actual Nazis who obvious seek to use people concerned about a genuine issue like immigration levels to leverage and normalise their own vile beliefs. Why aren’t you concerned about this?

“don’t you think there’s a certain irony on being called a nazi for defending Israel”

Who called you a Nazi for defending Israel Penfold? Direct quotes please.

Of course this another ridiculous attempt at Penfold justifying the unjustifiable. If you’re going to attend and support rallies organised by Nazis you don’t pretend you’re not lending credibility and support to their views.

Completely shameful.

@seano that would be me that drew the comparison between bibi’s israel and the you know whats. I won’t bother quoting myself but here’s a relevant quote from sydney organiser Bec in the lead up to the events:
“So, protect Australian heritage, culture, way of life. Next step, protect European culture, heritage, way of life. The next step is protect white heritage. So it all means the same thing. Australian heritage — by saying it that way, it is more appealing to the public. It’s going to deter them from saying, ‘Oh, it’s a Nazi rally, blah, blah.'”
Yesterday she took the next step and declared her “group” are officially pro nationalist.

She’s a genuinely terrible person who has gone down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole to end up partnering with the NSN.

Tom Tanuki documents the march here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRoFdeI_5Y

People might not like or agree with Tom on much but footage of the NSN taking over these marches, fighting, attacking bystanders and chanting racist slogans speaks for itself. It’s shameful stuff.

PS. To their credit there are marchers who push back on the NSN including a member of One Nation as it’s supposed about a debate about immigration levels but unfortunately these marches were largely completely hijacked as tool for the NSN to push for their own appalling and shameful ends.

Tom does excellent work. I’ve been following this movement from the first days when they showed up at the tent embassy, weeks before the old parliament house fire. I knew what it was then, what it was going to become and I’ve been consuming copious amounts of popcorn since. I found Tom’s videos shortly after. Btw you may or may not know, Bec’s boyfriend is a former family friend of scott morrison. Scomo had to publicly distance himself from him and his father.

A fitting quote by A.R. Moxon:
“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”

For me it feels ironic when someone says “the Neo Nazi’s do not represent the majority of Australia” because I grew up surrounded by “Aussie Ocka’ Racist Bogans”. As an adult, in the workforce I was exposed to a lot of racist views. I’d like to think racism isn’t the majority point of view but I even had an experience on the weekend with a friend who exploded with prejudicial feelings.

Seano – NOM figures straight from the ABS:
September 2024 quarter 89,800
December 2024 quarter 68,000
January to June 2025 279,460
Total for 2024/25 437,260

IDK what you’re banging on about but I see you have moved on from the completely bogus claim that immigration is at record highs.

Immigration since the post pandemic surge is trending down.

“Federal government figures show the NOM for the 12 months to 31 December 2024 was 341,000 people. That’s down 37% compared to the NOM’s peak, of 538,000, in the 2022-23 year.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/01/anti-immigration-protesters-say-australias-migration-is-at-record-highs-but-the-figures-tell-a-different-story

HiddenDragon9:57 pm 01 Sep 25

“….we’ve managed to show the world how we can build a peaceful and tolerant democracy….”

The peace and tolerance is going to wear very thin when the unsustainably debt-funded spending by all levels of government, which is papering over increasingly cavernous divides in Australian society, comes to its inevitable end.

For a taste of what could be in store if our worse than useless governing classes continue on their present path, look to what is currently happening in the big, vibrant (in some respects more so than ours) democracy to our north – and, without resorting to condescending assumptions (of the thought crime variety), explain why that could not happen here.

Besides the fact that our democracy is far more robust? I guess it could happen if people who whinge about genuine criticism as “thought crime” rather than coming up with cogent responses, keep finding excuses, applying whataboutism and misrepresenting the arguments around immigration for their own purposes while not calling out the NSN for using the issue and the concerns of ordinary Australians as a tool for normalising their messaging and recruiting.

It’s not just everyday Australians who are concerned about Immigration. Independent Senator Pocock has been in the media calling for the Albanese Government to have an open discussion about creating an actual Immigration Plan.

True. It’s not about race or culture, it’s about the land capacity to deal with so many people, housing and how the environment can sustain an increasing population.

The people marching aren’t necessarily anti Immigration, just people who don’t want unlimited immigration. Yes Nazis and other groups are going to march but like the Palestinian march, not all are antisemitic there either. Majority are just concerned about how things are going. More skilled immigration, less unskilled and family reunion. Let’s have a plan. Even lefty Pocock wants that!

Nazis were part of the organisation of these march. Ending immigration is the least of what they want. People marching with Nazis even if they disagree with them are lending the sport to vile and dangerous views.

Yeah, true. That’s a valid point but the problem is, the majority of people (and the media) is mostly negative so they’re going to focus on the racist side of the issue. It’s difficult to see things analytically these days.

Just fyi Bob Katter has been photographed in the past spending time with thomas sewell and blair cottrell. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Given the majority of people yesterday want immigration levels reduced because they think it’s too high and causing economic harm rather than because they’re racists, government criticism of them is unjustified considering their support for the Palestine protests.

I have no doubt the majority of Palestine protestors want to see a peaceful 2 state solution implemented so the killing stops. There are however people participating who want nothing less than the complete destruction of the state of Israel. The people who turned out to celebrate the Oct 7 attacks are there, and those who proclaim “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. For context, the PLO used that slogan in calling for a single Palestinian state to replace Israel and it’s also in the Hamas charter.

I hear what you are saying but there is one fundamental difference. NSN organised, led and spoke at the rallies. I can show you receipts but it is common knowledge now. Can you show me PROOF that hamas, plo or any of these groups actually organised, led and spoke on sydney harbour bridge? You can show proof there was attendance but zero proof of ochestration by a terrorist organisation. To reiterate because some people are a little slow: nazis organised, led and spoke at THEIR event which people attended. Do you see the difference?

You don’t get to march with Nazis in a march they partially organised and get to pretend you’re a reasonable person merely concerned about immigration levels.

The major parties don’t have a policy on the future population size of Australia, but Sustainable Australia have one.

“Policy: Based on the best scientific advice and as a positive example to the rest of the world, slow population growth then stabilise Australia’s population size as soon as practicable, aiming for a population target under 30 million through to and beyond 2050.”

We currently have 27.5 million people, and the ABS predicts 40 million in 2050.

“Policy: Based on the best scientific advice “….lmao….good one.

Is that incorrect? How do you know? Not judging, just curious.

Whether it is soundly based (or on what) I do not know. However, I know that they have been saying that population should be limited to whatever was its current level since the population was about half what it is now, and probably before.

Max_Rockatansky4:02 pm 01 Sep 25

Woke is dead, judging by the size of the opposing crowds at the Captain Cook Memorial on Sunday.

The crowds for the anti-immigration marches were dwarfed by the Peace in Palestine marches…but you keep mathing on that one champion you’ll get there eventually.

PS. Given the fact that these marches were at least in part organised by the NSN whose agenda goes far beyond reducing, slowing down or even stopping immigration, I’m quite happy to be called “woke” rather than be standing beside those vile, dangerous, deluded losers.

Shameful stuff.

And the Palestinian march was in part organised by antisemites so what do you draw from that?

Firstly I conclude that you haven’t proven that premise Elf. Secondly that the NSN want an White only Australia via any means necessary. So you’re comparing people who want a state for the Palestinian people and peace with people who want to remove non-white people from Australia. So I’d conclude you haven’t thought this through.

Humans are complicated. Also, it’s nearly impossible these days to side with a political cause without the prejudice. I tried explaining this to a friend on the weekend and as an example, they didn’t like it. They clearly expressed prejudice against a cultural group and stormed off.

There’s nothing complicated about standing with the NSN. It’s morally wrong.

The clashes with Palestinian protesters weren’t a good look for any of them. But given what Albanese has done to immigration it’s hardly a surprise that Australians are upset.

A shortage of housing sending up house prices has been largely driven by one million net migrants in just 2 years, despite Albo’s promise to reduce migration. 500,000 per year when the average for the previous 20 years was less than 200,000.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release#data-downloads

And at the same time our standard of living has slumped.

From all reports people weren’t protesting against any groups of migrants, just the numbers. And despite what Chris Johnston has written here, Pocock supports a rational debate, something Labor clearly do not.

Australia has grown on the back of a sensible and sustainable migration program for decades. The numbers are no longer sensible nor sustainable.

Immigration is trending down under Albanese….as ever you’re talking through your …..hat.

By very little Seano and still at record highs. Net overseas migration in the 22/23 year was 536,000, in 23/24 446,000 and 24/25 438,000. The average across 07/08 to 18/19 spanning two terms each of Labor & Liberal governments was 218,000. The last 2 terms of Howard averaged 128,000. Even Albanese’s lowest and most recent year saw more than twice as many people arrive as the average across the 12 years pre-covid, and 4 times as many as was the case in 2005 when housing was affordable.

Complete BS Garfield. You can stop misrepresenting the post cover surge it’s tedious and wrong.

“Federal government figures show the NOM for the 12 months to 31 December 2024 was 341,000 people. That’s down 37% compared to the NOM’s peak, of 538,000, in the 2022-23 year.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/01/anti-immigration-protesters-say-australias-migration-is-at-record-highs-but-the-figures-tell-a-different-story

Quite right Garfield, but sadly your ABS statistics are lost on seano. Albanese’s immigration explosion has hurt a lot of Australians, the majority. Much like his Palestine first approach.

What happened to this once decent nation ?

Capital Retro9:33 pm 01 Sep 25

You wouldn’t be BS-ing us would you Albo, I mean Seano?

Chris Johnson10:38 pm 01 Sep 25

You could at least spell my name correctly Penfold 🙂

Worse than the clashes was the presence of the national socialist network, who not only gave speeches but also had a big hand in organising the event. They planned this through a woman named rebecca walker or “bec freedom”. The intention was to always call it an immigration rally, go australia, this and that to attract a wider audience. Their intention is to slowly continue this and trend more and more towards a white australia stance. It has been a recruiting moment for nazis and way too many fell for it. Nazis didn’t show up to the rally, they showed up to the nazi rally.
I don’t know what I think of the current numbers, I don’t know enough to really say whether they are sustainable. I do know enough to say that the issues our country faces have more to do with other things than just immigration alone. It is a global issue as much as it is an australian one. So people are within their right to protest or whatever, but they attended a nazi rally.

Humblest apologies Chris.

But don’t you find it somewhat bizarre that – neo clowns aside – in Australia in 2025 if you rally in support of the Australian way of life the government tells you that’s a bad thing. Yet if you rally for Palestinian values, well that’s to be supported.

What ABS statistics Penfold?

Misrepresenting the post COVID search as visa holders returned whilst ignoring the steady decline in immigration levels is just you demonstrating that you won’t let facts get in the way of a dumb argument.

TG – like Andrew Leigh, you’re sounding a bit over the top. Yes it’s regrettable that there were some far-right people there. As there were far-left pro-Palestinians too by the sounds of it.

I wasn’t there but suspect that the number of peaceful, Australia-loving voters who have genuine and valid concerns was at least 90%. Maybe 99%.

But what do we hear from Leigh – the usual division. Perhaps he might listen to the majority and address their concerns. High immigration impacts demand for many things including housing. It impacts the job market. It impacts congestions on our roads and hospital queues.

Rather than seeking to hold a discussion with his constituents, Leigh seems to be pouring fuel. Perhaps he would have been better to go out for a jog.

Take your argument up with the Bureau of Stats seano. When the 2024-25 numbers come out it will be 1.5 million in 3 years.

Misrepresenting the post-pandemic surge doesn’t give you a point Penfold, it proves you haven’t got one.

Penfold misrepresents the figures in more than one way. This is normal for him.

Incoming numbers are not nett migration but Penfold does not like that evidence.

If an Australian permanent visa holder travels to their country of origin to visit their parents then returns to Australia, as they will because it is their home, then that goes into the ABS incoming figures. There was no nett change to permanent residents. This happens all the time.

Penfold does not like that fact.

No good link between immigration (mainly students) and housing prices has been found by researchers.

Penfold does not like evidence.

If you look at either of total incoming or nett overseas migration then as a proportion of population the numbers are lower than in the past. That is, any supposed effect would have been far greater in the past yet in the past that immigration helped Australia’s prosperity. Many if not most people here will have in their family tree refugees or immigrants since 1945.

Penfold, does not understand proportions anyway, part of his evidence-avoidance strategy.

Every Australian is an immigrant or descendant of immigrants.

Axon – the numbers I gave you are net migration. If you open the link you’ll notice the first three downloads are Net, Arrivals and Departures. Oddly enough, Net is Arrivals minus Departures. There’s a nice graph (1.1) which makes it easy to understand.

Hopefully you can do some research unlike seano who regurgitates what the ABC and Guardian wrongly and lazily sprout. See chart 1 in the link below – net migration is growing again and the Treasury numbers are way out.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/net-migration-in-2024-25-may-exceed-treasury-forecast-by-45000,19747

And lastly, hopefully Chris Johnson will approve of this, sorry to nitpick but if you’re going to tell people they’re misrepresenting stuff, best to get the name of the metric correct. One too many T’s.

Stop calling Neo-Nazi’s Clowns, they’re not that funny….well okay, maybe a little funny. But it’s offensive to Clowns.

What’s the “Australian way of life” Penfold? Good luck explaining that champ.

The Australian way of life is something almost every Australian understands and doesn’t need explained.

Good point, Seano. Yes Penfold, please do tell. And as I often ask from you, be specific. What is the Australian way of life? “Almost every Australian understands” – lets assume I don’t.

Well TG I guess you’re not alone there, Andrew Leigh and seano are struggling too.

For all your benefits the Australian way of life could be described as:

* a laid back “no worries” attitude
*giving others a fair go
* tolerance
* respect 🎖
* pride
* freedom of speech
* respecting the law
* enjoying a multicultural society
* a sense of work-life balance
* freedom
* dignity
* fairness
* equality
* politeness
* celebrating being an Aussie
* loyalty to Australia 🇦🇺

Are any of these resonating ? If not, perhaps check the colour of your passport. It should be blue but likely isn’t. 🛂

PS. “Are any of these resonating ? If not, perhaps check the colour of your passport. It should be blue but likely isn’t. “….this sort of rhetoric is beyond contemptible. The idea that people are not Australian if they don’t agree with you is the sort of ideology pushed by the NSN…which is unsurprising given how we got here in the first place.

Shameful stuff.

IDK what happened to my previous comment but I merely asked Penfold to explain how immigrants are excluded his list?

We know he won’t because he can’t.

Very funny seano. You asked for the list (“Good luck explaining that champ”) yet throw a tanty when it’s provided. Deary me.

Not sure how “immigrants are excluded his list” (sic). Nobody has to be an Aussie to support an Australian way of life. The only people who’d struggle with those values are the ones who’d march for a foreign land ahead of Australia.

So you agree Penfold that actual nett migration is back to pre-Covid levels, that it is low as a proportion compared with former migration levels that helped make this country as migrants continue to do today, that migration levels include permanent Australian residents entering and exiting, that it includes temporary student visas who are not permanent residents, that they have little impact on housing or other resources or prices, and will discover that the number of permanent visas is far lower. You might also learn that nett is an accurate use, though fallen into desuetude here consequent on American influence over British as time has passed.

@Penfold
Okay, no worries. Yes a lot of that resonates and it’s why I find you so despicable, respectfully, you are no better than a nazi.

It should be blue but likely isn’t? Hmmmm okay so what colour do you think my “passport” is then? I think you gave it all away in that sentence. It really matters to you what colour someone’s “passport” is.

Axon – it’s simples really, refer to the ABS stats.

They remain double pre covid levels and you don’t even need simple mathematics to work it out. The nice coloured graph 1.1 makes it easy. 🧑‍🎓

“Australian values!” Shrieks penfold in a laid back manner, as he opposes recognition of indigenous peoples, opposes integration of indigenous culture into “aussie blue passport” culture. Not very respectful. Has a very tolerant view towards the palestinian peace protests and immigration. Gives Albo a fair go. Enjoys a multicultural society by wanting it to be less diverse and more australian. All this is sounding very fair and patriotic.

The most impressive thing about far lefties is their tolerance and compassion towards different opinions TG 🤣

Well it all depends if that different opinion is racism or outright nazism, then yes I have no tolerance for those folk. So what colour should my “passport” be?

Capital Retro12:25 pm 03 Sep 25

Well Seano, the “Australian way of life” is certainly NOT doing what happened in 1982 when the PLO bombed the Israeli Consulate in Sydney and then tried to kill over 300 Jewish people in the Hakoa club.

To be fair to the PLO, the Irish Republicans were also planning to assassinate members of the British Royal Family in Sydney and there were other incidents involving the assassination of the Turkish Consulate and his driver in Sydney and mass murder of citizens by Turkish Muslims in Broken HIll.

Capital, we know you live in the past as your name suggests. So tell me, who were the anzacs fighting in WWII? Who organised, led and spoke at the rallies on the weekend? And now remind me again who we were up against in WWII. Please Mr historian. Never again. Lest we forget.

Capital Retro2:51 pm 03 Sep 25

I have no idea what you are talking (babbling?) about TG and I was in the army – were you?.

Please give me a clue.

“Very funny seano. You asked for the list (“Good luck explaining that champ”) yet throw a tanty when it’s provided. Deary me.”….explain to me then champ why immigrants cannot be “polite” or “respect the law” or “freedom of speech” or “pride” (whatever that means) or exhibit any of the other things on YOUR list.

Why are immigrants excluded from these things in representing the “Australian way of life” in your view?

I would suggest that the reason you can’t and won’t defend this list is because of course immigrants can do any and all of those things on the list, and any defence of your list as immigrants not accepting the “Australian way of life” devolves to either nonsense or bigotry or both.

Shameful stuff.

Capital ree ree. I’m talking about the topic of this article. Aussies attended a nazi rally and now they’re making excuses for themselves. As a soldier that should upset you.
What is also interesting is how Israeli sycophants also found themselves at a nazi rally, big woops. Immigration is an issue, but that cannot even be addressed until we kick the nazis out of the meeting. Get it?

seano anyone can enjoy an Aussie way of life. The only person suggesting otherwise is you 🫣

Penfold, I did indeed refer to the ABS data. You will find on that page access to table 4.1 providing data back to 2004-05. You will find there that there are three categories, permanent visas, temporary visas, and visa-free i.e. Australians and New Zealanders.

Your figures are indeed “simples”, lacking any thought or insight. Do you need the differences in categories explained? Probably, but you will have to work it out for yourself.

You never could manage proportions.

Thanks for admitting that you cannot answer a single one of my points in my prior post. You are simply anti-immigrant, opposing your own or your ancestors’ arrival here, as immigrants.

Axon the Excel datasets do go back to 2004-05. Well done for working out how to download them.

But there’s no table 4.1 anywhere. The rest of your post is just as mythical 🦄

“But there’s no table 4.1 anywhere. The rest of your post is just as mythical 🦄”

Why am I not surprised that Percentage Zero couldn’t find a simple table in the ABS data that he claims to have reviewed and understood.

The table that very much exists.

“Well done for working out how to download them.”

Shame we can’t say the same for you Penzero.

😂😂😂👨‍🦯👨‍🦯👨‍🦯

Penfold “seano anyone can enjoy an Aussie way of life. The only person suggesting otherwise is you “…this is just silly when it was Penfold who suggested the rallies where specifically about the “Australian way of life”

To quote: “But don’t you find it somewhat bizarre that – neo clowns aside – in Australia in 2025 if you rally in support of the Australian way of life the government tells you that’s a bad thing.”

Once again Penfold runs away from his contention. And we know why because he can’t defend it without sounding at best foolish at worst revealing himself.

Shameful stuff.

“But there’s no table 4.1 anywhere”

ROFL

Everyone is anti immigration we just have different limits.

Absolute nonsense.

Seano, we’ve average almost 500,000 p.a. for 3 years under Albanese. Would you support 1m p.a.? 2m p.a.? There’s 122m refugees and displaced people in the world. We export enough food to feed 40-50m people each year in addition to domestic consumption. Should we take in 40m refugees? I know I’m being way over the top, but your response to Henry was absolute nonsense.

“Seano, we’ve average almost 500,000 p.a. for 3 years under Albanese. “….you know this is absolutely not true, you’ve had it pointed out to you, therefore your posting in ignorance or this is a lie. Your first premise fails therefore your whole argument fails.

As far as Henry sweeping generalisation of course it is nonsense a such statements are. It’s the sort of stuff he’s read on spaces like Telegram and doesn’t have the critical thinking skills to assess before regurgitating elsewhere.

Seano are you being deliberately ignorant on the issue of net overseas migration numbers? 22/23 was 536,000, 23/24 was 446,000 and 24/25 was 438,000. That’s an average of 473,000 p.a. or close to 500,000 p.a. for 3 years. All figures from the ABS.

No I’m ignoring your cherry picking and deliberate misrepresentations of the post pandemic surge. Thanks.

Immigration is not at record highs despite your spurious claims, and it is trending down overall.

“Federal government figures show the NOM for the 12 months to 31 December 2024 was 341,000 people. That’s down 37% compared to the NOM’s peak, of 538,000, in the 2022-23 year.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/01/anti-immigration-protesters-say-australias-migration-is-at-record-highs-but-the-figures-tell-a-different-story

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