28 April 2013

Mugged on College Street

28 April 2013 | By johnboy

ACT Policing is seeking witnesses to an aggravated robbery that occurred in Belconnen yesterday (Saturday, 27 April).

At around 8.30pm a 24-year-old man and a 22-year-old woman were walking along College Street returning to their residence in Belconnen.

They were approached by three males, one of the males produced a knife and demanded the pair hand over their wallets and other items.

After they complied with his demands the men ran off in the direction of the Belconnen Mall.

The three males are described as African in appearance and over six feet tall. One male was described as wearing a white checkered shirt, dark tracksuit pants with a white stripe and white canvas shoes.

Police conducted a full search of the surrounding area but were unable to locate the offenders.

Police are urging anyone with information which can assist in identifying the men or may have witnessed the incident to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the website act.crimestoppers.com.au.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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The Dark8:39 pm 06 May 13

IrishPete said :

The Dark said :

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

You will become very rich and famous when you can work out how to predict who will be violent in the future out of a group of traumatised people. In the meantime, we will either have to shut the doors on all refugees or accept that some will turn out not be model citizens, just like many people born here.

“As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.”

Indeed it will forever be associated with the Holocaust, but it is quite possible to remember more than one thing – people should remember that the term is broader, and it applies to Labor and Coalition policy on detaining asylum seekers while their claims are assessed.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it – I recently heard someone associated with a RSL say WW1 started in 1915. It is worrying when people are so misinformed of even Australia’s history.

IP

Not my problem to sort them out, just my problem to pay taxes to support them and potentially fall victim to them. How about instead of barring the doors to all or letting all in, how about closing the doors to countries that have a high offender rate amongst the refugees we get from them?

Yeah, people should, but they won’t.

About ignoring history… Good point, in these peoples history, many of them know nothing but violence and war, yet we bring them here, ignoring that and history repeats.

tbh, would much prefer Tamil Tigers in this country

IrishPete7:42 am 06 May 13

Pork Hunt said :

I agree with your last para to a large extent. Your history is pretty good however, whatever you choose to call the camps in Australia, the difference is that 85-90% of boat arrivals get a happy ending. This perhaps was not the case with non-Australian camps throughout history.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-18/understanding-the-asylum-seeker-debate/2718820

I love Wikipedia, but sometimes I hate it. I was all set to say the British invented concentration camps, then I went and checked on Wikipedia and it says they had been used prior to the British in the Boer War, which is what I was referring to. I wasn’t meaning internment of foreign nationals during wartime, though I’m sure that is a pretty cruel think to do. In the Boer War, of course, the British interned women and children. We probably also did during WW1 and WW2, though I’m not sure.

I’ve now found a better reference on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment which gives a couple of definitions of concentration camps, which our detention centres fit pretty well.

For me the majority of happy endings just proves the detention was inappropriate. And what about indefinite detention of Tamils for secret reasons? I’ understand the Tamil Tigers were not even a prescribed terrorist organization in Australia, even if these detainees were associated with the TTs. The idea that they would pose a threat to Australia is laughable (but then ASIO seem to specialise in laughable these days, whether it be their HQ or their attempts to defend foreign spies from exposure).

IrishPete7:34 am 06 May 13

The Dark said :

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

You will become very rich and famous when you can work out how to predict who will be violent in the future out of a group of traumatised people. In the meantime, we will either have to shut the doors on all refugees or accept that some will turn out not be model citizens, just like many people born here.

“As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.”

Indeed it will forever be associated with the Holocaust, but it is quite possible to remember more than one thing – people should remember that the term is broader, and it applies to Labor and Coalition policy on detaining asylum seekers while their claims are assessed.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it – I recently heard someone associated with a RSL say WW1 started in 1915. It is worrying when people are so misinformed of even Australia’s history.

Pork Hunt4:41 pm 04 May 13

PBO said :

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

Just a side note, Canberra even had a concentration camp in Fyshwick during WW2 and parts of it are still visible today.

Interning people from countries we were at war with for the duration of hostilities is vastly different than German or Russian efforts 80 years ago…

Pork Hunt4:37 pm 04 May 13

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

I agree with your last para to a large extent. Your history is pretty good however, whatever you choose to call the camps in Australia, the difference is that 85-90% of boat arrivals get a happy ending. This perhaps was not the case with non-Australian camps throughout history.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-18/understanding-the-asylum-seeker-debate/2718820

The Dark1:57 pm 04 May 13

Deckard said :

The Dark said :

Herp Derp

Yes you’re such a wonderful human being.

Just curious what you’d say when it’s a young white 4th generation Australian who’s sticking a knife in your face? Blame the Irish?

No, I wouldn’t, its there own fault, they made the decision to rob me at knife point, just like if a refugee robbed me at knife point, the difference is one of them didn’t choose to come here, they were born here, whereas if the violent refugee in question was still in Sudan, theres no chance he would have robbed me or anyone else. Also, I never claimed to be a wonderful person. Like i said earlier, try having almost every experience you’ve ever had with Sudanese males be negative and you might change your attitude, including such fun incidents as 60 of them carrying pool balls and bottles gathering to kick the f*ck out of you and a small group of mates, all because at the same location a week earlier one of them had attacked your mate while off his head and had to be held down by 2 big lads before he would stop swinging and screaming. To put it plainly, this sh*t ain’t right.

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.

Explaining the term British (note, everyone knows that, and they don’t care)

PBO1:00 pm 03 May 13

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

Just a side note, Canberra even had a concentration camp in Fyshwick during WW2 and parts of it are still visible today.

IrishPete10:57 am 03 May 13

Deckard said :

The Dark said :

Herp Derp

Yes you’re such a wonderful human being.

Just curious what you’d say when it’s a young white 4th generation Australian who’s sticking a knife in your face? Blame the Irish?

Oi! Blame the English for transporting them here against their will!

(Note I don’t say “British” because British is a term created by the English to encompass Irish, Scottish and Welsh, without their consent, in 1800 I think. With Ireland now mostly independent, and Scotland looking for independence next year, the concept of “British” is unravelling.)

Here_and_Now10:30 am 03 May 13

Where are the Northbourne flats that are so troublesome? I’ve been on Northbourne and seen various different flats in different places along the street? Which ones are the crime zones in question?

IrishPete8:21 am 03 May 13

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

The Dark7:25 pm 02 May 13

IrishPete said :

The Dark said :

IrishPete said :

Jim Jones said :

The Dark said :

I’m not promoting racism, But

Ah, the good old, ‘I’m not racist, but’ argument.

Indeed. It would be far more honest to say “I am racist, but I’m trying not to be…”

IP

I’m not racist, I’ll admit i’m prejudiced, not to Sudanese people, but between the ages of say 15 and 25, and male, then yes, I’m prejudiced, that’s not for the sake of it, thats through experience, its the image they portray, it’s the exact same as a black person being prejudiced against young white males with shaved heads and a swastika tshirt.

Also, the ‘Australian habbits of Ice and Alcohol’, They have alcohol and drugs in Sudan, its not like they come here, see every bloke and his dog trying this brand new thing and wow, bang, they’re on it to fit in…

Remember, personal choice still exists, even if you aren’t from here. Irishpete, you live here i guess, why else would you comment on Riotact and judging from your user name, maybe you weren’t born in Canberra? Do you frequently leave your house to get on the ice and the rum and smash some peoples faces in? I’ll wager that’s a ‘no’.

err, no. Stick “alcohol Sudan” into Google and the first result you get states alcohol is banned in Sudan. I doubt they have bikie gangs producing Ice either.

Your average person of Sudanese ethnicity in Australia is a refugee. If they weren’t traumatised before they got here, we probably put them through hell in our concentration camps, or stuck them in dodgy flats and wonder why they become like their neighbours. I came here on a dodgy 457 visa and have never been poor or disadvantaged, or locked up.

But apart from that, you’re absolutely right of course.

IP

Ok, fair call, sharia law and all that, except that I Googled “alcohol and drugs in Sudan”, this is the 2nd result that came up… http://historyofalcoholanddrugs.typepad.com/alcohol_and_drugs_history/sudan/ It goes on to explain how bootleg alcohol is a problem in Sudan and then theres 2 articles explaining how 21 people died from alcohol poisoning and 6 were left blind in Sudan, the articles supplied are from ‘The World News’ and ‘Reuters’.

Also, for Ice, most of the ice in Australia isn’t made by bikies, where do you think Asian criminal organizations get there ice from? And the Lebanese? and the Turkish? The list goes on… Alot of other countries have much greater access to Ice manufacturing than we do.

Yes, the majority are refugees… think about that, they are here on compassionate grounds, not for a holiday, they are fleeing a war torn country and have been brought to a safe, plentiful country, no matter what they had to go through to get here… Also, don’t refer to our processing centers as concentration camps, they arn’t rounded up like animals and taken to the facilities against there will to then be forced to work and then killed… They get given houses, government or not, its still a free house, probably more than they had at home, along with centrelink, english lessons, driving lessons, free legal and medical, help finding a job and an education… F*ck me, actually, now i feel bad, seems like we’ve been horribly cruel to these people, i guess its fair that they strike back against us, the evil oppressors, for giving them a chance at a life, for free, with no obligations to do anything but be free…

Paid for by the people of Australia.

And you know what? If they’re too “traumatized” to live in our society without violently taking it out on the people that pay for them to be here…. then maybe they shouldn’t be here.