10 October 2025

So what's Hastie really up to? Let's Advance a few ideas

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Andrew Hastie

Liberal backbencher Andrew Hastie is singing from the Advance choir book. Photo Andrew Hastie Facebook.

Since quitting Sussan Ley’s frontbench, maverick Liberal MP Andrew Hastie has insisted he is not interested in mounting a challenge to the Opposition Leader.

Perhaps he should be believed because there could be something more Machiavellian at play here.

While Hastie’s links to right-wing lobby group Advance have been somewhat exposed, what is not so well-known is that the cashed-up organisation is talking behind the scenes about creating a new political party – and Hastie is listening.

And it’s not just chat. If all goes to plan, an announcement of a new party is imminent.

According to well-placed sources, a party name has been chosen and high-level meetings with donors have been held.

The focus is Team Australia and Andrew Hastie has been made an offer.

Advance significantly helped the Coalition run a highly successful “No” campaign in the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum in 2023.

Buoyed by that win, the group stepped up its culture wars influence over the Liberal and National parties for this year’s federal election.

As we know, the far-right wingers got a shellacking, and the Coalition suffered an awfully embarrassing defeat.

That hasn’t stopped Advance’s agenda by any means. It’s playing the long game.

In rare public comments, the organisation has dished up thinly veiled threats to walk away from “existing political movements”, suggesting it is ready to bankroll a new party.

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And the organisation is not holding back its displeasure about the direction of the Liberal Party under Ley’s more moderate leadership.

“Advance has concluded that the Liberal Party cannot deliver what it wants,” one source told Region.

“And the difference here from other groups who have enticed MPs to break away from their parties and start new ones – usually to disappointing results – is that Advance is a serious campaign machine.

“It has lots of money and is well organised.

“In conservative politics, it is vastly easier to rally support for the right wing than it is for the moderates.

“Advance knows that and has been able to not just tap into it but also cleverly exploit it.”

Another contact told Region the group met recently with National Party donors and found a decent level of support.

“Everything Advance does is about money and about God – like all cults,” the source said.

But let’s get back to Hastie.

The Western Australian has been talking from Advance’s game card for some time now.

In this year’s election, he campaigned without Liberal Party branding on his flyers and posters and was backed by a church-based network that directly engaged with the highly organised religious element in his electorate of Canning.

Canning, by the way, has a far greater religious component to its demographic than do other Perth metropolitan electorates.

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Since the election, Hastie has made several public comments revealing his dissatisfaction with the Liberal Party.

“If we don’t change, there’s no reason why we won’t disappear as a party altogether,” is one of them.

Other remarks about “going it alone” and “so be it” if he loses his frontbench position and party support due to his increasingly vocal policy statements also indicate where his intentions might be headed.

Referring to some Coalition colleagues as “muppets” and “cowards” is another clear indicator that he’s not too concerned about burning bridges – especially if it means ticking off the party’s moderates.

In this parliamentary term, Hastie has largely echoed Advance’s consistent talking points on issues such as net zero, immigration, housing, and manufacturing.

He’s talking from their play card; he’s singing from Advance’s choir book; and regularly engages Whitestone Strategic consultants, which is closely linked to Advance.

And while a handful of Coalition MPs would follow Hastie if he quits the party to lead his own (think Jacinta Nampijinpa Price), it is he who Advance wants as its public face.

“Andrew is the one they have chosen,” one source said.

Every indication suggests the now Liberal Party backbencher has been seriously considering the offer.

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I know Jacinta Price is a pin-up girl and favourite of the Young Liberals Colin Wood, a movement which could hardly be called “ordinary Australians”!

These up-and-coming young wannabes represent a party that continues to live in the past, speaking to a version of Australia that no longer exists. A socially conservative and far-right political party that refuses to grasp our country’s changing dynamics and a party that has the audacity to call itself Liberal. A party that continues to live in the past by failing to build any meaningful relationships with our country’s largest voting cohorts; young Australians, women and a diverse and changing multi-cultural population, who they pretend to represent.

I just have to read the cheering in these pages from contributors and supporters like Capital Retro and Penfold to get an insight into the party’s future direction!

Be careful what you wish for Jack. Plenty of ordinary Australians were marching a few weeks against high immigration, krazy energy policies, bad government and the woke curse. And while the Libs are down at the moment don’t forget they’ve governed for 51 of the past 75 years, with the odd outbreak of left government. In one rare case, even a good one.

And over in the UK the conservatives have been usurped by Reform UK, who would you believe stand for lower immigration, lower power prices, anti-woke and a bit of honest government. The right is on the rise across Europe. But of course you’ll hear them described as “far right” and “hard right” by anyone left-of-centre. Call it chrisinformation if you like.

One might speculate that it will be coming to an Australia near you sometime soon. And with the low Labor vote those 94 seats are clearly the highest we’ll ever see. The only way is down.

But enjoy gloating while you can, you’ll be hearing a lot more from sensible conservatives for a long time yet, including Hastie and Price.

Well if Hastie and Price (and the worryingly dimwitted Angus Taylor thrown in there for good measure) are the Liberals only saving grace Penfold, heaven help us!

It isn’t Labor you have to worry about, it is the independents! Who would have thought just two elections ago that the Liberals would lose their most highly prized and blue-blooded seats. All seats taken by moderate, charismatic and well-educated women previously aligned with the Liberals and are fed up with the party’s future direction. Spectacularly taking the Liberals most treasured and closely held seats including Bradfield, Warringah, Wentworth, Mackellar, Indi, Kooyong, and Mayo. Then there is Canberra and Calare taken from the LNP also now held by independents. Some of these seats were previously held by the most senior Liberal ministers and a few PM’s!

Unlike the Liberals, the independents continue to be popular working within their communities for the better good and look like they are there to stay!

I’m visiting the UK, listening to news and talking to random Brits, picking up a deep underlying anger and disillusionment with both Labor and the Conservative party. Uncontrolled immigration, cost of living increases and housing unaffordability are the top concerns. Everything is more expensive since covid and in comparison with Australia. This is a very divided country and makes our ‘problems,’ in Australia seem trivial by comparison. Nigel Farage of the Reform UK party is attracting growing support from people who feel their lives and country are deteriorating. Could Andrew Hastie become an Australian version of Nigel Farage? Not yet, but history shows that fringe politicians gain power and influence from a growing core of angry people.

Capital Retro5:41 pm 10 Oct 25

I read a speech from Liz Truss last week. She was a recent, short term Conservative PM of the UK and was in Australia last month.

She explained just how bad things are in the UK – you have alluded to the main problems, Acton – and she said that it doesn’t matter who wins the next election as the operative control in the UK is now held by the bureaucrats in the public service and their agenda is Marxism and Islam.

It’s definitely going the same way here so it may come to a crunch between “them and us” and a leader with a military or strong business background is essential to keep the values and standard of living that we are accustomed to. Hastie would suit that need.

I expect most of you will deride me for what I am saying but the left did that to Enoch Powell and Winston Churchill too.

As a matter of interest, Enoch Powell In 1937 was appointed Professor of Greek at the University of Sydney aged 25.

He was the youngest professor in the British Empire at age 24.

“I read a speech from Liz Truss last week.” Are you OK?

“She was a recent, short term Conservative PM of the UK.” Cue the lettuce.

“their agenda is Marxism and Islam.” Drivel. Utter drivel.

“…a leader with a military or strong business background is essential to keep the values and standard of living that we are accustomed to. “

I am accustomed to democracy, not wannabe dictators.

I was wondering whether Hastie would challenge or not. He seems too determined to make actual change to join a fringe party like one nation. I hadn’t considered that Advance might also be keen to jump ship and do a rebrand but it makes sense. Advance spend a lot of time edging themselves over foreign far right movements and looking to import them here so I guess it will be called Reform Australia and it will be all ameri… I mean Australia first. Good stuff.

Maybe they can put together a lunatic supergroup. Hastie on lead guitar, jacinta nameya price on bass, babbling Babet on bongos and Pauline belting out the lyrics. From time to time Katter can slide in on slide guitar.

Sounds like you’re a bit of an Advance fan TG.

The band sounds like a good idea, but do you reckon they could ever better Craig Emerson’s Whyalla Wipeout performance ?

Btw Whyalla isn’t doing so well these days, the steelworks are in administration. Where is Emmo these days ?

Is any ordinary citizen really a “fan” of any think tank. They largely don’t have any particular benefit to the community besides the select few special interests groups they represent, people that mostly live outside of the community anyway. If an idea is so good, why does it cost so much money to convince the people?

As for whyalla, I’m sorry I can’t wax lyrical with you mate. I am totally in the dark about it, not something I have an understanding of unfortunately. Can’t keep up with everything all the time, the dog needs walking too.

You’ve got to laugh at the clueless commentators who think that the solution to the recent LNP electoral wipeout is to move further to the right and continue putting forward policies which would only exacerbate the apparent problems they’re arguing against.

Challenging a few rural seats that are already almost exclusively held by their ideological brethren isn’t going to win government, but no one has ever accused these commentators of being too bright.

Andrew Hastie not interested in mounting a challenge? I can fairly predict how this is going to pan out! Just the same old same old from a party that no longer represents modern Australia. A party that holds just a bare rump of seats across the nation and a party that is probably beyond recovery.

Put a woman in the top job (there are not many there), undermine her and her efforts and mount a challenge!

Just the same old shenanigans we see from the same old tired party!

Jack D.
I think your call on the mortality of the Liberal Party is a tad premature.

After a bad defeat, and in particular one where the Leader has lost their own seat, the next Leader is often a “place holder”, while the party rebuilds and refocuses.

Yes, the likelihood, in my opinion is that there will be a Leadership challenge. That however won’t have anything to do with gender.

If there were to be a challenge, Hastie or Angus Taylor are likely to be key runners. Had Senator Price, a female, been in the Lower House, you could expect her name to be amongst the possible candidates; she is extremely popular amongst ordinary Australians.

Hi Colin, interested in hearing where you got your figures on the “extremely popular” Jacinta Price? Was there a special poll, just for “ordinary Australians” that you are providing as evidence? How did the poll select only “ordinary Australians” from those who are not ordinary. What was the definition of ordinary that they used?

Everything looks far-right to the far-left, including itself at this very moment, given the ongoing revolution on which it’s based – as though only change existed and no stability. And how f-ing stupid can you get? For if something is changing, then something remains the same, or else how could know that something was changing?

Der!!

As such, the far-leftists that aren’t totally perverted eventually reach the limit of what they see as enlightened or tolerable, and end up turning to the Right in remorse.

Hell, even the ancient pagan festival understood this much.

And Advance will be there with open arms.

And people will run to it with glee – the last election being no indication of anything, apart from a few tactical errors unrelated to the culture war.

But Advance won’t make those mistakes, and it’ll be willing fight the culture as it needs to be fought – to come straight out and say that everything woke is a disease, and who but the totally perverted would disagree?

Some interesting thoughts here Chris, though the use of the term “far-right” seems to be applied as broadly as salt and pepper on eggs these days.

Perhaps a different perspective might be that Sussan net-zero Ley and her brand of Liberal is so undifferentiable from Labor these days that the electorate needs a proper alternative. With Albo’s carbon-tax-by-stealth on the way in (ssshh, it’s called an “abatement incentive”) somebody needs to stand up and call it for what it is. And that’s not going to be Sussan.

You’ve certainly been giving it to the Coalition since the election, but with barely one in three voters choosing Labor, those 94 seats are exceedingly soft. The Libs just need a Howard or Abbott to come along and take a stand and the Labor vote might disappear faster than you can say “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”. Perhaps Hastie’s that person. Someone sure needs to advance Australia fairly because right now everything is going backwards.

Still daydreaming about the 1950’s Penfold ?
Fantasising about John Howard who privatised Telstra & Tony Abott who effectively shut down our vehicle manufacturing sector.

“abatement incentive”

Please quote the government policy or speech in which this has been proposed, Penfold?

Given Treasury analysis of which you are aware, why are you opposing renewables where Treasury’s analysis shows that opposition and uncertainty will lead to higher costs compared with current or accelerated progress?

Capital Retro11:24 am 10 Oct 25

Just note that it is the Singaporean state owned Optus that is giving us all the 000 grief at the moment, not the privatized Telstra whose shares you probably have in your industry fund super account.

Tony Abbott didn’t shut down a vehicle industry, he withdrew the taxpayer subsidies that were paying the workers four times as much as their global competitors were getting.

Go easy on franky CR, he’s had a shocker in the past 24 hours. Seems to have forgotten that Ford and Mitsubishi announced their cessation of manufacturing during the RGR years. Though to be fair I can offer no rebuttals on his experience in the 1950’s. The great nation building Menzies decade.

Axon – I gave you the link yesterday, have you forgotten already ? But in the spirit of improving your knowledge, here it is again:

https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-09/p2025-700922-appendices.pdf

See table C.2. A carbon tax of $335 per tonne, wait until taxpayers start learning about this, might hit Jules primary vote numbers of 28%.

And of course the other obvious question which you ignored yesterday is that if renewables are cheaper, why do we need a carbon tax ? The market would be flooded with renewables. No wonder our scribe is petrified of Andrew Hastie today, he’s calling out the kraziness.

Q. “Please quote the government policy or speech in which this has been proposed, Penfold?”
A. [crickets]

Yet more laughably, Penfold goes on to quote a notional cost in 2041-45 if the society were to listen to Penfold and his ilk, and slow down the transition to renewables. Penfold wants you to pay more so fossil interests can keep their short term profits. I debunked him on that yesterday when he first posted it, when he failed to read C.1 and the explanatory text. His reading always fails him.

“The market would be flooded with renewables.” As it is being. That is exactly what is happening here and around the world. This year the world is already generating more energy from renewables than from coal, and published growth plans show more growth in renewables than coal and nuclear put together (those two being zero in Australia). Unlike Penfold, investment markets know what they are doing.

Oh my Axon, the denial is deep. According the the International Energy Agency, of global Total Energy Supply, or TES, a total of 633 682 434 Terajoules, 20,752,505 was solar and wind.

That’s about 3%.

Hydro was another 15 million.

https://www.iea.org/world/energy-mix

Where do you make this stuff up from ?

Stephen Saunders10:14 am 10 Oct 25

Energy-rich ocean-bound Australia ought by rights to have highly affordable housing, very cheap energy, and zero population pressure.

But at the moment, Australia has 227 federal reps and four main political groups (Coalition, Labor, Greens, Teals) that offer voters the exact opposite.

If Hastie and Price even offer a glimmer of relief, there goes the predictable pile-on, they must be dangerous right-wingers, driven by shadowy forces. The same smear that the government applied to the March. Which is on again, Sunday week.

I absolutely agree that people should want the country they live in to be the best it can be. I know I do. Buuuut… how much does that nazi march achieve to actually do any of that? My take away from those marches is such: people wearing made in china merch, sucking on illegal middle eastern cigs and vapes, walking down the street angrily hating their own country. Where do all the butts go? What about the impact of those vapes, do they go in bins or out the car window too? Not to mention the crime syndicates. How about they all go clean a beach or build something for the children? You know, take some actual pride in this place.

Crazed_Loner12:56 pm 10 Oct 25

Except that these RW groups don’t offer viable solutions to those very real problems but rather the nasty demonising of some groups, and voodoo economics (if they bother with economics at all). It’s the politics of grievance herded by the same sort of people our fathers and grandfathers fought against in WW2.

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