10 October 2025

So what's Hastie really up to? Let's Advance a few ideas

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Liberal backbencher Andrew Hastie is singing from the Advance choir book. Photo Andrew Hastie Facebook.

Since quitting Sussan Ley’s frontbench, maverick Liberal MP Andrew Hastie has insisted he is not interested in mounting a challenge to the Opposition Leader.

Perhaps he should be believed because there could be something more Machiavellian at play here.

While Hastie’s links to right-wing lobby group Advance have been somewhat exposed, what is not so well-known is that the cashed-up organisation is talking behind the scenes about creating a new political party – and Hastie is listening.

And it’s not just chat. If all goes to plan, an announcement of a new party is imminent.

According to well-placed sources, a party name has been chosen and high-level meetings with donors have been held.

The focus is Team Australia and Andrew Hastie has been made an offer.

Advance significantly helped the Coalition run a highly successful “No” campaign in the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum in 2023.

Buoyed by that win, the group stepped up its culture wars influence over the Liberal and National parties for this year’s federal election.

As we know, the far-right wingers got a shellacking, and the Coalition suffered an awfully embarrassing defeat.

That hasn’t stopped Advance’s agenda by any means. It’s playing the long game.

In rare public comments, the organisation has dished up thinly veiled threats to walk away from “existing political movements”, suggesting it is ready to bankroll a new party.

READ ALSO Federal Government under fire over when it knew about triple-zero breakdown

And the organisation is not holding back its displeasure about the direction of the Liberal Party under Ley’s more moderate leadership.

“Advance has concluded that the Liberal Party cannot deliver what it wants,” one source told Region.

“And the difference here from other groups who have enticed MPs to break away from their parties and start new ones – usually to disappointing results – is that Advance is a serious campaign machine.

“It has lots of money and is well organised.

“In conservative politics, it is vastly easier to rally support for the right wing than it is for the moderates.

“Advance knows that and has been able to not just tap into it but also cleverly exploit it.”

Another contact told Region the group met recently with National Party donors and found a decent level of support.

“Everything Advance does is about money and about God – like all cults,” the source said.

But let’s get back to Hastie.

The Western Australian has been talking from Advance’s game card for some time now.

In this year’s election, he campaigned without Liberal Party branding on his flyers and posters and was backed by a church-based network that directly engaged with the highly organised religious element in his electorate of Canning.

Canning, by the way, has a far greater religious component to its demographic than do other Perth metropolitan electorates.

READ ALSO Hastie quits Ley’s frontbench over charter letter

Since the election, Hastie has made several public comments revealing his dissatisfaction with the Liberal Party.

“If we don’t change, there’s no reason why we won’t disappear as a party altogether,” is one of them.

Other remarks about “going it alone” and “so be it” if he loses his frontbench position and party support due to his increasingly vocal policy statements also indicate where his intentions might be headed.

Referring to some Coalition colleagues as “muppets” and “cowards” is another clear indicator that he’s not too concerned about burning bridges – especially if it means ticking off the party’s moderates.

In this parliamentary term, Hastie has largely echoed Advance’s consistent talking points on issues such as net zero, immigration, housing, and manufacturing.

He’s talking from their play card; he’s singing from Advance’s choir book; and regularly engages Whitestone Strategic consultants, which is closely linked to Advance.

And while a handful of Coalition MPs would follow Hastie if he quits the party to lead his own (think Jacinta Nampijinpa Price), it is he who Advance wants as its public face.

“Andrew is the one they have chosen,” one source said.

Every indication suggests the now Liberal Party backbencher has been seriously considering the offer.

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Hayward Maberley12:08 pm 14 Oct 25

So what’s Hastie really up to?

You only have to read his Apologetica for Charlie Kirk to be really aware of that!

Just popped in to the Advance website to check out these “far right” policies. Their three key policy areas appear to be:

Ditching net zero
Stopping mass immigration
Ditching welcome to county’s

https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/

The majority of Australians agree as several recent polls have confirmed. Mass migration:

https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/immigration-rate/

More than 60% do not support net zero:

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-s-catch-22-caught-between-teals-and-one-nation-surge-20251009-p5n1ex

Oh, and there was a referendum in October 2023 which fully rejected WtCs.

Right wing “think” tank comes up with right wing polling to match right wing positions, Penfold shocked. Comical.

“Oh, and there was a referendum in October 2023 which fully rejected WtCs.”

No there wasn’t, so there’s that.

Hayward Maberley12:05 pm 14 Oct 25

Under the Abbott Government with Scott Morrison as Minister for Immigration that the reopening of the 457 visa loophole, occurred allowing employers, employment agencies and labour hire companies, their mates, to import unlimited numbers of guest workers.

In that change there were 651 occupations shown as having a local skills shortage, when there were in fact no skill shortages.

Morrison as Minister from 18 September 2013– 23 December 2014 also created dozens of new work visa categories, including for specific industries. viz: entertainment industry, maritime crews et al. All to undercut and displace Australian workers who were already employed in such positions

Together, Morrison who was replaced in a cabinet reshuffle by Dutton the Minister from 23 December 2014– 20 December 2017, approved over 700,000 temporary visas in the 2014/15 period

This on top of an annual permanent immigration intake of 190,000 people per year.

Abbott and thenMorrison then Dutton can all be seen as successors to John Howard’s record population policies.

Hayward, that’s quite a conspiracy theory. There certainly were skills shortages at the time which is why the Pacific scheme was established.

But don’t also forget they hadn’t let in almost 2 million people in three years, so had flexibility in the system.

Hayward Maberley11:32 am 15 Oct 25

No conspiracy theory, just the true figures concerning the Lying Nasty Party Coalition and its mendacity concerning immigration!

Just Advancing my thoughts Chris Johnson, I think you may have it the wrong way around! My bet is that right wing lobby group Advance has promised Andrew Hastie their backing if he puts his hand up to challenge! Why would someone with Hastie’s profile form a new party when he can get the significant and combined financial backing from both the Liberals and Advance? He is the only one and the most charismatic of what they have on offer in the party!

Advance has strong links to the federal party as well as in the ACT branch of the Canberra Liberals!

Advance have a long history of helping Labor and the Teals win elections because Australian elections are largely won in the middle not by cooked culture wars nonsense .

But good luck to Hastie with forming yet another far right wing party, I’m sure it will be every bit as successful as Clive Palmer’s and Cory Bernardi’s lol.

Andrew Hastie will be an interesting character to watch in the lead up to the next federal election! Since 2019, Mr Hastie’s home state of WA has gone from being a buttress for the Coalition to a stronghold for Labor at both state and federal elections.

Past results in Mr Hastie’s electorate of Canning show his vote going backwards and the seat remains marginal. A redistribution prior to the last election slightly favoured Labor. The final outcome saw One Nation gaining eight percentage points and doubling its share of the vote from 4.7% to 11.4% on the 2022 result!

No wonder Mr Hastie is cosying up to lobby group Advance as the party continues to lurch further to the right!

It’s always either about self interest or division with the far right wing.

HiddenDragon10:33 pm 10 Oct 25

If this prospective new party is to be more than just a rival and potential replacement (when Hanson eventually exits stage right) for One Nation it will need to have a realistic economic narrative.

The last few decades of largely bipartisan policies by Labor and the Coalition have turned Australia into one of the most over-priced countries in the world to live in, so policies which go too far down the road of “self-reliance” (i.e. cutting benefits/subsidies which prop up many household budgets) would have limited appeal.

The only plausible alternative would be a long overdue rationalisation of the three levels of government and the costly bloat/duplication (and even triplication) which has grown in recent decades.

A good starting point for this would be firm opposition to the reported plans for a significant increase in the numbers of MPs and Senators – which is being floated on the pretext of growth in the national population and thus the number of constituents “served” by each politician. A federal parliament which spent far less time chasing votes by intruding into the roles of state and local governments could cope perfectly well with current numbers.

“The only plausible alternative would be a long overdue rationalisation of the three levels of government and the costly bloat/duplication (and even triplication) which has grown in recent decades.”

The usual drivel featuring non-solutions to non-problems.

Advance is run by a bunch of culture wars clowns and Hastie is a young earth Christian…these geniuses would struggle to organise a backyard BBQ let alone a “firm opposition”.

I know Jacinta Price is a pin-up girl and favourite of the Young Liberals Colin Wood, a movement which could hardly be called “ordinary Australians”!

These up-and-coming young wannabes represent a party that continues to live in the past, speaking to a version of Australia that no longer exists. A socially conservative and far-right political party that refuses to grasp our country’s changing dynamics and a party that has the audacity to call itself Liberal. A party that continues to live in the past by failing to build any meaningful relationships with our country’s largest voting cohorts; young Australians, women and a diverse and changing multi-cultural population, who they pretend to represent.

I just have to read the cheering in these pages from contributors and supporters like Capital Retro and Penfold to get an insight into the party’s future direction!

Be careful what you wish for Jack. Plenty of ordinary Australians were marching a few weeks against high immigration, krazy energy policies, bad government and the woke curse. And while the Libs are down at the moment don’t forget they’ve governed for 51 of the past 75 years, with the odd outbreak of left government. In one rare case, even a good one.

And over in the UK the conservatives have been usurped by Reform UK, who would you believe stand for lower immigration, lower power prices, anti-woke and a bit of honest government. The right is on the rise across Europe. But of course you’ll hear them described as “far right” and “hard right” by anyone left-of-centre. Call it chrisinformation if you like.

One might speculate that it will be coming to an Australia near you sometime soon. And with the low Labor vote those 94 seats are clearly the highest we’ll ever see. The only way is down.

But enjoy gloating while you can, you’ll be hearing a lot more from sensible conservatives for a long time yet, including Hastie and Price.

Well if Hastie and Price (and the worryingly dimwitted Angus Taylor thrown in there for good measure) are the Liberals only saving grace Penfold, heaven help us!

It isn’t Labor you have to worry about, it is the independents! Who would have thought just two elections ago that the Liberals would lose their most highly prized and blue-blooded seats. All seats taken by moderate, charismatic and well-educated women previously aligned with the Liberals and are fed up with the party’s future direction. Spectacularly taking the Liberals most treasured and closely held seats including Bradfield, Warringah, Wentworth, Mackellar, Indi, Kooyong, and Mayo. Then there is Canberra and Calare taken from the LNP also now held by independents. Some of these seats were previously held by the most senior Liberal ministers and a few PM’s!

Unlike the Liberals, the independents continue to be popular working within their communities for the better good and look like they are there to stay!

Victoria has not been run by coalition parties for a decade or more, and look at that travesty. If you want that Jack D, I’m sure the Premier will welcome you with open arms

The independents like Pocock are popular because they’ll never have power so can support any popular topic in their voting community. No tough decisions ever to be made.

“The independents like Pocock are popular because they’ll never have power so can support any popular topic in their voting community.” …you mean he supports the interests of the community who elected him rather than the billionaires who donate to the major parties? How novel.

No they take the easy decision to what the noisy minority are supporting rather than a principled position!

I agree Elf that independent candidates are irrelevant in a small jurisdiction and assembly setting as in the ACT. A parliament with a Liberal and Green opposition and two impotent crossbench independents with narrow agendas, all competing against each other to be relevant. Wasting the parliaments time with mediocrity in their attempts to undermine the government and dominate debate so they can get their heads in the media and claim credit. It will be interesting to see what achievements they will claim when fronting voters at the next ACT election!

I disagree that independents are irrelevant in a federal setting. Australians are hungry for political change and independents provide that opportunity. Their presence is even more significant in implementing reform when they hold the balance of power and their votes are needed to pass legislation. Their roles have been significant, representing their communities and the greater good, running their own races without having to answer to some controlling party hack in head office.

Since being elected, the Teal independents have achieved much in line with their promises and what voters wanted. This includes their significant role in the establishment of an integrity commission, climate change action, gender equity, gambling reform, fuel efficiency standards, Education, HECS reform, ending jobs for mates in politics and truth in politics. These achievements are only the beginning.

An independent’s presence on the crossbench is a reminder that the concept of a ‘safe seat’ no longer exists. The major parties are worried as we have seen, using their power to run dirty campaigns against them and conspiring and implementing new laws to put obstacles in their way to hold them back.

No longer do voters have to scan the ballot sheets for the least-worst option with independents now giving us a real choice!

Jack D walks both sides of the street.

“No they take the easy decision to what the noisy minority are supporting rather than a principled position!”

LMAO….maybe in the an alternative universe. I think you’ll find action on climate change for example is hugely popular…because it’s a real and serious problem.

Tell me how beneficial to the makeup of our small Assembly have the two independents been Axon and name me just one major achievement any one of them have made?

Why should I do that, Jack D? I pointed out you were hypocritical with regard to the presence of independents in different parliaments. You are. If independents are “good” or “bad” in principle then that is equally applicable. You do not get to pick and choose by hindsight or local political prejudice. Just look at the independents (or notional parties) in the Senate for example.

Left on left hey. Of course Axon can’t name any achievements, whether it be local or national. They’re simply hypocritical grandstanders, do as i say not as i do.

I pointed out the irrelevance of the independents in our small assembly Axon and how they have benefited our federal parliament which has an upper and lower house.

Our small assembly without an upper house has a rather dodgy history with independents which you obviously have no memory of nor the dysfunction they caused when they were last elected to our parliament. This has ensured ACT residents have been dubious of them ever since with our city remaining independent free for 23 years. Unfortunately voters have short memories!

When independents were first elected to our assembly many years ago they included a rag tag of right-wing nutters, Christians and anti-government crusaders under various party names. Banding together they supported Labor to form government. They then switched sides to the Liberals after successfully bringing on a no confidence motion against Labor, forming a male dominated coalition with the Liberals and astonishingly, the No Self Government Party. Internal ructions saw them expelled from the Liberals and they again formed an alliance with Labor. Michael Moore was probably the only successful independent who joined with the Liberals as a minister but the others never got very far in their short history, nor made any significant achievements to our city except turmoil.

I asked a simple question and you refuse to answer; How beneficial to the makeup of our small parliament have the two independents been Axon?

“I pointed out the irrelevance of the independents in our small assembly Axon and how they have benefited our federal parliament which has an upper and lower house. “

Exactly. Post facto assessment in accord with your political view. Are you for independents or against? Jack D’s answer is it depends on whether he likes the result.

“included a rag tag of right-wing nutters, Christians and anti-government crusaders under various party names”
You mean the Federal Senate. Or if you prefer, the local Assembly. Of course I ignore your silly question. There are drop-kicks in every party including the ALP, so are you against the ALP? Are you for independents in parliaments or against Jack D? Trying to choose principles on the basis of what you later like is completely hypocritical, as I first said.

Axon’s inability to answer my question says it all!

What inability, Jack D? I simply refuse because the silly question is your very dim attempt to avoid your own hypocrisy.

Nowhere have you answered with regard to the Federal Senate under your own “principles” regarding the Assembly nor in relation to the House. This is why you do not see me bothering much with most of your comments before your egregiousness here. You invariably appear as a party hack and I am not the first to make that comment on Region or its forebear.

Hilarious to see Jack’s hypocrisy outed so perfectly.

Of course the independents at the Federal level have generally been taking previously held Liberal seats or holding Liberal governments to account so Jack is perfectly happy with that.

Those dastardly local independents however, have been holding the ALP to account, instead of giving the long held and expected rubber stamp, so Jack thinks they’re a hindrance.

Flip flop Jack.

Axion can’t answer my question so maybe flip flop chewy can answer instead. Tell me how beneficial to the makeup of our small Assembly have the two independents been and name me just one major achievement any one of them have made?

Hypocrite Jack still can’t understand the basic point that any “achievement” listed is only going to be viewed through a subjective individual lens.

As perfectly outlined by Hack’s own lists above, which he still can’t understand only represents his own personal preferences, not some universal truth of achievement.

Still waiting for some direct quotes also Jack, you seem to go missing every time your partisan hypocrisy is called out or you are asked to back up your position with any quantifiable evidence whatsoever. Won’t be expecting anything different here.

Poor Jack D. Monty Python’s black knight.

Oh, and stop lying Jack D. I have always explicitly refused your silly question. Your correct word is “won’t”.

Some impressive self-awareness there Axon.

Who’s your favourite independent – Lydia ?

Too funny!

I rest my case!

Hack’s inability to understand the issue or once again provide supporting evidence for his claims says it all.

As expected.

Too funny indeed!

Chewy and Axon refuse to answer my question using lame excuses because they both know that our two assembly independents are ineffective to our parliament and always will be. This is because of the ACT’s Hare Clark system, the structure of our assembly and other impediments making it almost impossible for independents to succeed either electorally or within the government. The two elected independents with their very narrow agendas found ways around these impediments achieving negligible success, with only two out of 23 candidates elected. This is the reality of the ACT’s Hare Clark voting system and our parliament. Chewy carrying on with his usual rants and insults, splaying and flip flopping around in his never-ending quest to be relevant, displaying the same condescending contempt he always does for those he disagrees with. But that is what we have come to expect from chewy14, always in conflict with others, snickering and misrepresenting their opinions to make a point and claim a bit of one-upmanship!

Both will continue to muddy the waters, harping at me in their responses so that they don’t have to provide answers to my questions. Both knowing the rarity, especially over the past number of years for governments to hold a majority in the Senate and the balance of power typically rests with minor parties and independents. Democratically elected representatives from all political persuasions, whether we agree with their politics or not! But, unlike our assembly independents, hardly impotent! Current senate numbers favour the Greens (10) with four minor parties of many different stripes; Pauline Hanson ON (4), Jackie Lambie Network (1), United Australia Party (1) and Australian Voice (1). The three independents are David Pocock (ACT), Lidia Thorpe (Vic) and Tammy Tyrrell (Tas).

All independents very rarely without a voice: Hardly bad for democracy!

Another flip flop from Hack unable to answer simple questions or provide supporting evidence for his wild claims.

His latest rant further outing his inability to understand the most basic of concepts.

Ironically confirming his ignorance of the issue by doubling down on the his subjective opinion on the effectiveness of individual independents.

Still waiting for those direct quotes also Hack.

“I rest my case.”

Jack D has finally responded to my query about the Senate nicely listing people, some of whom may be thought “…a rag tag of right-wing nutters, Christians and anti-government crusaders under various party names” as Jack D described.

Try getting all 10 of those other than the Greens to agree on a single policy, Jack D. They are effectively powerless, exactly like the independent MPs you love in the House where the ALP has no need of them.

So answer, Jack D, are you for independents in principle, or do you decide after the fact like any hack?

However, I have decided to answer your question with a very fine achievement of independents in the Assembly: totally p’ing off the unprincipled Jack D.

ROFL

Jack you’re going to cause quite some confusion with all those numbers. Pythagoras mastered triangles, Axon has mastered binary. Well, 1s and 0s. Pythagoras’ theory was that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 for right-angled triangles. Axon’s theory is that 1 + 1 -1 = 1.

Can i recommend for explanation maybe a pie chart or even a bar chart ? It might Advance your cause. And don’t mention Hare Clark, they’ll think of rabbits.

But did you notice today the ACT Greens demanding a bigger ACT parliament to “lessen constitutional risk”. Guess that what happens when you lose almost half your seats in the last election. Speaking of greens and risks, Lidia Thorpe isn’t advancing many ideas. Quite the opposite, the house is well and truly in her sights.

Who would have thought such speedy responses from chewy and Axon validating my comments!

Thanks guys!

“Lidia Thorpe isn’t advancing many ideas. Quite the opposite, the house is well and truly in her sights.”

But she apparently is rarely without a voice Penfold. And that’s enough for Jack D to claim it as a win for Democracy.

Seeing as Jack seems so keen to answer questions, he’s obviously willing to list the parliamentary achievements of (let’s randomly pick) Pauline Hanson and Ralph Babet?

A pair who he thinks, and has stated, provide great benefit to our democracy.

C’mon Jack, provide a list of Senator Hanson and Senator Babet’s policy and legislative achievements?

Will be waiting.

Jack’s inability to answer my question says it all!

I rest my case.

Chewy just keeps on giving!

Who would have thought of such a speedy response from Hack validating my comments!

Thanks for proving me right!

In a back and forth that is well past its use-by-date and should have ended a number of comments ago, chewy is back again boring us to death in his endless tirades and anal attempts to score an extra point! Now he is back misrepresenting me again over right wing politician Pauline Hanson and her success rates as well as little-known senator Ralph Babet, a fellow traveller in extreme right-wing politics. Babet was elected as a senator at the 2025 election under the Trumpet of Patriots banner but with the party’s lack of success and limited funding he has announced he will not be recontesting the next election.

How successful has Pauline Hanson been in her 30-years on the political stage? Well for chewy’s benefit, I would say very successful! No matter what ones political leanings, no-one could doubt Hanson’s successes as Australia’s most hateful and extreme right politician in her never-ending quests to exploit anger and resentment in the community on issues that engage racists so much, including multiculturalism and immigration. First elected to the lower house as an independent at the 1995 election with 54% of the 2-candidate vote she established her own party, and others under various names with minor successes over the years. Re-elected at the 1998 and 2001 elections the party was such a threat to the Liberals vote that John Howard refused to criticise or censure her. With the Liberals Introducing tougher immigration policies despite pre-election commitments not to, Ms Hanson claimed the party was stealing her policies.

Elected as a senator at the 2016 election her party held the balance of power in the senate. Under the then Liberal government, she secured spots on the powerful National Broadband Network parliamentary committee and co-chaired the parliamentary inquiry into family law, along with Liberal and fellow conservative and extreme right politician Kevin Andrews. In a senate debate, she proposed a racist backed “It’s OK to be white” motion which was widely condemned and reported in the media. A motion that was supported by most Liberal senators including our very own Senator Zed Seselja but, was defeated closely 31–28 by opponents.

Unlike the ACT assembly and our two ineffectual independents, senators in the federal parliament are very rarely without a voice. Despite Hanson’s somewhat dubious success rates under various governments, senators have managed to keep her and her fellow travellers firmly in their boxes!

Who knows what our next election in two years bring and whose voices will be the loudest after the thumping the Liberals received at the last election!

Flip Flop Jack has just written a massive diatribe but hasn’t even gone near the question that I actually asked.

No one asked whether those Senators were “successful”, nor anything else that your incoherent rant contains.

Hilariously Jack’s own comments outs his own partisan hypocrisy, further proving my case.

Thanks!!

I’m visiting the UK, listening to news and talking to random Brits, picking up a deep underlying anger and disillusionment with both Labor and the Conservative party. Uncontrolled immigration, cost of living increases and housing unaffordability are the top concerns. Everything is more expensive since covid and in comparison with Australia. This is a very divided country and makes our ‘problems,’ in Australia seem trivial by comparison. Nigel Farage of the Reform UK party is attracting growing support from people who feel their lives and country are deteriorating. Could Andrew Hastie become an Australian version of Nigel Farage? Not yet, but history shows that fringe politicians gain power and influence from a growing core of angry people.

Capital Retro5:41 pm 10 Oct 25

I read a speech from Liz Truss last week. She was a recent, short term Conservative PM of the UK and was in Australia last month.

She explained just how bad things are in the UK – you have alluded to the main problems, Acton – and she said that it doesn’t matter who wins the next election as the operative control in the UK is now held by the bureaucrats in the public service and their agenda is Marxism and Islam.

It’s definitely going the same way here so it may come to a crunch between “them and us” and a leader with a military or strong business background is essential to keep the values and standard of living that we are accustomed to. Hastie would suit that need.

I expect most of you will deride me for what I am saying but the left did that to Enoch Powell and Winston Churchill too.

As a matter of interest, Enoch Powell In 1937 was appointed Professor of Greek at the University of Sydney aged 25.

He was the youngest professor in the British Empire at age 24.

“I read a speech from Liz Truss last week.” Are you OK?

“She was a recent, short term Conservative PM of the UK.” Cue the lettuce.

“their agenda is Marxism and Islam.” Drivel. Utter drivel.

“…a leader with a military or strong business background is essential to keep the values and standard of living that we are accustomed to. “

I am accustomed to democracy, not wannabe dictators.

Capital Retro8:51 pm 10 Oct 25

You are certainly no student of history, Axon.

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.

Wrong, Capital Retro. Which is too obvious.

Democracy is what has thrown up Trump who most certainly wants to be a dictator!

“Democracy is what has thrown up Trump who most certainly wants to be a dictator!”… but only because people have allowed themselves to be distracted with culture wars BS funded by billionaires….there’s nothing wrong with democracy but we can’t take it for granted. We need to get a better understanding of who is the real threat to our health, wealth and safety and it’s not immigrants or people of different races, colours, religions, sexual identity or sexuality….it’s the billionaires.

Elf, he is not the first or only but in most democracies they fail. So what is your alternative? Start with a dictatorship, avoid democracy altogether? What did you think was your point?

It’s the people who align themselves with only one side of politics and blindly follow what they are told to. You and Penfold come to mind!

Well, in my case that is purest garbage. It seems you do not read well.

For someone who posts bog standard culture wars nonsense that’s a quite the amusing take.

Hayward Maberley10:43 am 15 Oct 25

“The Founding Fathers were not interested in democracy, in fact, in a country with 3 1/4 million people, which is about what we were at the time of the separation from the UK only 700,000 people could vote — white males of property. So it’s never been terribly democratic and they put together a constitution which would protect property for all time. No nonsense about democracy!”
Gore Vidal: The United States of Amnesia” Documentary, 2013.
A Constitution framed to protect landed & wealthy of the then 13 Colonies. Written by Founding Fathers to ensure that such landholdings, in what was to become the USA were the wealth of the country, would be left in the hands of those already owning such.
A Senate until the early in 20th century was not elected, members were selected by whatever group had control of state legislatures protecting that landed & wealthy class. James Madison, later POTUS, one of the major proponents of the Bill of Rights, said concerning the establishment of the US Senate which was clearly anti democratic, “to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority.”*
An Electoral College constituted to give citizens in less populated & economically unproductive rural states with as many as four times the votes as those as those in more populous & economically productive urban ones, violating the fundamental democratic principle of “one person, one vote;” It can be alleged that the EC was originally instituted & continues to be maintained for explicitly racist & anti-democratic purposes.
Loser of popular vote won EC only five times before 2000. Last time such happened was the mid 1800’s, long before universal franchise. Now twice in recent years enabling, inarguably, the two worst presidents in modern US history Republicans, Dubya, The Faux Texan and as the Scots say, The Radge Orange Bampot.

I was wondering whether Hastie would challenge or not. He seems too determined to make actual change to join a fringe party like one nation. I hadn’t considered that Advance might also be keen to jump ship and do a rebrand but it makes sense. Advance spend a lot of time edging themselves over foreign far right movements and looking to import them here so I guess it will be called Reform Australia and it will be all ameri… I mean Australia first. Good stuff.

Maybe they can put together a lunatic supergroup. Hastie on lead guitar, jacinta nameya price on bass, babbling Babet on bongos and Pauline belting out the lyrics. From time to time Katter can slide in on slide guitar.

Sounds like you’re a bit of an Advance fan TG.

The band sounds like a good idea, but do you reckon they could ever better Craig Emerson’s Whyalla Wipeout performance ?

Btw Whyalla isn’t doing so well these days, the steelworks are in administration. Where is Emmo these days ?

Is any ordinary citizen really a “fan” of any think tank. They largely don’t have any particular benefit to the community besides the select few special interests groups they represent, people that mostly live outside of the community anyway. If an idea is so good, why does it cost so much money to convince the people?

As for whyalla, I’m sorry I can’t wax lyrical with you mate. I am totally in the dark about it, not something I have an understanding of unfortunately. Can’t keep up with everything all the time, the dog needs walking too.

Capital Retro8:55 pm 10 Oct 25

And Albo can do a guest presentation of “Not Responsible” (apologies to Helen Shapiro).

You’ve got to laugh at the clueless commentators who think that the solution to the recent LNP electoral wipeout is to move further to the right and continue putting forward policies which would only exacerbate the apparent problems they’re arguing against.

Challenging a few rural seats that are already almost exclusively held by their ideological brethren isn’t going to win government, but no one has ever accused these commentators of being too bright.

Andrew Hastie not interested in mounting a challenge? I can fairly predict how this is going to pan out! Just the same old same old from a party that no longer represents modern Australia. A party that holds just a bare rump of seats across the nation and a party that is probably beyond recovery.

Put a woman in the top job (there are not many there), undermine her and her efforts and mount a challenge!

Just the same old shenanigans we see from the same old tired party!

Jack D.
I think your call on the mortality of the Liberal Party is a tad premature.

After a bad defeat, and in particular one where the Leader has lost their own seat, the next Leader is often a “place holder”, while the party rebuilds and refocuses.

Yes, the likelihood, in my opinion is that there will be a Leadership challenge. That however won’t have anything to do with gender.

If there were to be a challenge, Hastie or Angus Taylor are likely to be key runners. Had Senator Price, a female, been in the Lower House, you could expect her name to be amongst the possible candidates; she is extremely popular amongst ordinary Australians.

Hi Colin, interested in hearing where you got your figures on the “extremely popular” Jacinta Price? Was there a special poll, just for “ordinary Australians” that you are providing as evidence? How did the poll select only “ordinary Australians” from those who are not ordinary. What was the definition of ordinary that they used?

@astro2 the poll of ordinary Australians was probably a facebook post lol. Like this if you like jacinta.

Everything looks far-right to the far-left, including itself at this very moment, given the ongoing revolution on which it’s based – as though only change existed and no stability. And how f-ing stupid can you get? For if something is changing, then something remains the same, or else how could know that something was changing?

Der!!

As such, the far-leftists that aren’t totally perverted eventually reach the limit of what they see as enlightened or tolerable, and end up turning to the Right in remorse.

Hell, even the ancient pagan festival understood this much.

And Advance will be there with open arms.

And people will run to it with glee – the last election being no indication of anything, apart from a few tactical errors unrelated to the culture war.

But Advance won’t make those mistakes, and it’ll be willing fight the culture as it needs to be fought – to come straight out and say that everything woke is a disease, and who but the totally perverted would disagree?

“….but the totally perverted would disagree?”….rational people.

Some interesting thoughts here Chris, though the use of the term “far-right” seems to be applied as broadly as salt and pepper on eggs these days.

Perhaps a different perspective might be that Sussan net-zero Ley and her brand of Liberal is so undifferentiable from Labor these days that the electorate needs a proper alternative. With Albo’s carbon-tax-by-stealth on the way in (ssshh, it’s called an “abatement incentive”) somebody needs to stand up and call it for what it is. And that’s not going to be Sussan.

You’ve certainly been giving it to the Coalition since the election, but with barely one in three voters choosing Labor, those 94 seats are exceedingly soft. The Libs just need a Howard or Abbott to come along and take a stand and the Labor vote might disappear faster than you can say “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”. Perhaps Hastie’s that person. Someone sure needs to advance Australia fairly because right now everything is going backwards.

Still daydreaming about the 1950’s Penfold ?
Fantasising about John Howard who privatised Telstra & Tony Abott who effectively shut down our vehicle manufacturing sector.

“abatement incentive”

Please quote the government policy or speech in which this has been proposed, Penfold?

Given Treasury analysis of which you are aware, why are you opposing renewables where Treasury’s analysis shows that opposition and uncertainty will lead to higher costs compared with current or accelerated progress?

Capital Retro11:24 am 10 Oct 25

Just note that it is the Singaporean state owned Optus that is giving us all the 000 grief at the moment, not the privatized Telstra whose shares you probably have in your industry fund super account.

Tony Abbott didn’t shut down a vehicle industry, he withdrew the taxpayer subsidies that were paying the workers four times as much as their global competitors were getting.

Go easy on franky CR, he’s had a shocker in the past 24 hours. Seems to have forgotten that Ford and Mitsubishi announced their cessation of manufacturing during the RGR years. Though to be fair I can offer no rebuttals on his experience in the 1950’s. The great nation building Menzies decade.

Axon – I gave you the link yesterday, have you forgotten already ? But in the spirit of improving your knowledge, here it is again:

https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-09/p2025-700922-appendices.pdf

See table C.2. A carbon tax of $335 per tonne, wait until taxpayers start learning about this, might hit Jules primary vote numbers of 28%.

And of course the other obvious question which you ignored yesterday is that if renewables are cheaper, why do we need a carbon tax ? The market would be flooded with renewables. No wonder our scribe is petrified of Andrew Hastie today, he’s calling out the kraziness.

Q. “Please quote the government policy or speech in which this has been proposed, Penfold?”
A. [crickets]

Yet more laughably, Penfold goes on to quote a notional cost in 2041-45 if the society were to listen to Penfold and his ilk, and slow down the transition to renewables. Penfold wants you to pay more so fossil interests can keep their short term profits. I debunked him on that yesterday when he first posted it, when he failed to read C.1 and the explanatory text. His reading always fails him.

“The market would be flooded with renewables.” As it is being. That is exactly what is happening here and around the world. This year the world is already generating more energy from renewables than from coal, and published growth plans show more growth in renewables than coal and nuclear put together (those two being zero in Australia). Unlike Penfold, investment markets know what they are doing.

Oh my Axon, the denial is deep. According the the International Energy Agency, of global Total Energy Supply, or TES, a total of 633 682 434 Terajoules, 20,752,505 was solar and wind.

That’s about 3%.

Hydro was another 15 million.

https://www.iea.org/world/energy-mix

Where do you make this stuff up from ?

Thank you for picking up my incorrectly casual use of “energy” where elsewhere I have correctly referred to “electricity” which is my topic for renewable vs fossil generation.

With that erratum, my comments stands.

Meanwhile, those crickets are still chirping.

Dig dig dig Axon. All you needed to do was click on the link named “electricity”. Wind and solar 13%.

https://www.iea.org/world/electricity

As for crickets,

It took 68 years to reach 1 terawatt of solar power, it took just 2 more years to double that.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/it-took-68-years-for-the-world-to-reach-1-terawatt-of-solar-pv-capacity-it-took-just-two-years-to-double-it

Crickets chirping indeed.

No, I am correct. You have blundered by not reading the sentence Penfold.

I wrote “renewables”, not “wind and solar”.

I wrote “This year”, not 2023. You may check recent news reports.

Please keep up.

I also wrote, “…and published growth plans show more growth in renewables than coal and nuclear put together (those two being zero in Australia). Unlike Penfold, investment markets know what they are doing.”

Still and always true.

Yes Axon, your level of correctness is only surpassed by the level of corrections required.

What would they be, Penfold? Let us see.

I corrected “energy” to “electricity” where everything I said was accurate, as I had intended before I wrote the wrong word.

Meanwhile Penfold has no idea what year it is or what the subject is or where business is investing, and thus remains 100% wrong.

Stephen Saunders10:14 am 10 Oct 25

Energy-rich ocean-bound Australia ought by rights to have highly affordable housing, very cheap energy, and zero population pressure.

But at the moment, Australia has 227 federal reps and four main political groups (Coalition, Labor, Greens, Teals) that offer voters the exact opposite.

If Hastie and Price even offer a glimmer of relief, there goes the predictable pile-on, they must be dangerous right-wingers, driven by shadowy forces. The same smear that the government applied to the March. Which is on again, Sunday week.

I absolutely agree that people should want the country they live in to be the best it can be. I know I do. Buuuut… how much does that nazi march achieve to actually do any of that? My take away from those marches is such: people wearing made in china merch, sucking on illegal middle eastern cigs and vapes, walking down the street angrily hating their own country. Where do all the butts go? What about the impact of those vapes, do they go in bins or out the car window too? Not to mention the crime syndicates. How about they all go clean a beach or build something for the children? You know, take some actual pride in this place.

Crazed_Loner12:56 pm 10 Oct 25

Except that these RW groups don’t offer viable solutions to those very real problems but rather the nasty demonising of some groups, and voodoo economics (if they bother with economics at all). It’s the politics of grievance herded by the same sort of people our fathers and grandfathers fought against in WW2.

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