31 March 2025

Supermarkets are 'taking the piss' by price gouging consumers, says PM

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Hon Anthony Albanese MP

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has promised to make supermarket price gouging illegal. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

A reelected Labor government will outlaw supermarket price gouging, with Anthony Albanese promising action by the end of the year.

The Prime Minister chose the electorate of Canberra to launch Labor’s first big policy of the federal election campaign, and said some supermarkets were “taking the piss” by price gouging consumers.

The government will implement the recommendations from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission’s supermarket inquiry that aim to improve transparency about prices, price trends and promotions, and loyalty programs.

It will also set up a taskforce to consider the laws operating in some other jurisdictions, mostly Europe, regarding price gouging.

The taskforce will report back to the government within six months with an action plan.

“Price gouging is when supermarkets are taking the piss of Australian consumers. That’s what price gouging is,” the PM said.

“Everyone else out there knows. Consumers know. We’ll take action.”

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Mr Albanese stressed that the action was all about holding big business to account and was not targeting staff working behind the checkout.

“Those workers are facing the same pressures as every Australian, are just doing their jobs, and deserve safety and respect,” he said.

The news will, at a minimum, look to impose heavy fines on supermarkets found to be price gouging.

“Labor is determined for Australians to get a better deal at the checkout,” the Prime Minister said.

“A reelected Albanese Labor Government will crack down on price gouging by supermarkets because Australian families deserve fair prices for their groceries.

“Australians shouldn’t be treated like mugs at the checkout – that’s why Labor will make supermarket price gouging illegal.”

The announcement comes as Labor enjoys a bounce in the polls, which suggests that a return to majority government is not out of the question.

Pollster YouGov, which just a few weeks ago had Labor behind, released its latest research showing the government to be in a far stronger position.

It found that if an election were held today, Labor would win a median estimate of 75 seats in the next parliament – one short of the 76 needed for a majority.

The upper estimate of the polling research places Labor with 80 seats.

Hon Peter Dutton MP

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says the PM has been as weak as water on the issue of price gouging. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

The Coalition has dropped to a median estimate of 60 seats, with an upper estimate of 68.

Peter Dutton was asked to comment on the Prime Minister’s reference to price gouging as “taking the piss” and used some clever language himself.

“I would say that the Prime Minister is as weak as … water,” the Opposition Leader said.

“I really would.”

Meanwhile, Mr Dutton used the weekend to flag three potential referendums – one on Indigenous recognition in the Constitution, another on four-year parliamentary terms, and another on cancelling the citizenships of dual citizens.

Before the weekend was over, however, he was backtracking somewhat, saying, when asked about it, that they were not high on his agenda and that legislative options were preferred.

On Indigenous recognition, he said, a referendum would only proceed if there was bipartisan support.

“There will be no referendum until there’s a position of bipartisanship, and clearly there’s no bipartisanship on this issue, and there will be no referendum over the course of the next term of parliament,” he said.

“The Prime Minister has made that very clear.”

Back on price gouging, and Greens leader Adam Bandt is taking credit for the government’s promise to get tough on supermarkets.

Campaigning in Melbourne, Mr Bandt said Labor has given into pressure from his party over the issue.

“Labor has picked up the Greens’ policy to make supermarket price gouging illegal, and that’s great news for Australian shoppers,” Mr Bandt said.

“Labor copying the Greens’ homework — you love to see it. Greens’ pressure works.

“The Prime Minister has gone shopping in the policy supermarket and picked up the Greens’ plan to make supermarket price gouging illegal.

“That’s a great deal for Australian shoppers, and while he’s there he could also put in the trolley the Greens’ plan to get dental into Medicare and to cap rent increases as well.”

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Capital Retro8:48 pm 01 Apr 25

Is Albo is too stupid to realize what he is saying?
Almost every public servant has their super with an Industry Super Fund and they invest in the major supermarkets. So, any financial imposition Albo throws at them will come off their bottom line and impact adversely on the inflow of dividend’s to public servants’ superannuation accounts.
Of course, Albo won’t be impacted because his unfunded retirement benefits will come from the old politicians defined benefits scheme.

Correct CR, Costello’s Future Fund makes all sorts of investments. But frankly now that it’s focusing on renewable energy projects earnings are probably going to fall below the current 8.3% average.

HiddenDragon8:24 pm 01 Apr 25

For all their sins, the supermarket duopoly serves the public somewhat better and more reliably than the political duopoly.

Whether it’s this desperate piffle from Albanese (even less plausible than the $275 power bill reduction b/s he dished up last time), or Dutton’s impractical threats to break them up, both sides would be better to take a long, hard look in the mirror if they’re genuinely looking for the home-grown causes of outrageous living costs in this country.

All of that said, a federal law which made it an offence, punishable by a very large fine, to “take the piss” would be highly entertaining, and a wonderful precedent – “It shall be an offence for a Minister of the Crown to take the piss” – “Penalty – forfeit of taxpayer funded pension”.

We can dream.

Anyone else notice that these comments sections are forever featuring a handful of the usual suspects that are mindlessly going at each other from either a blindly left or blindly right perspective? I’ve had enough of this mindless partisan garbage, and I think so too has the general population. It’s like reading a fight between adult babies each trying to slur the other in the most sneering way. Stop being so damned rude and offensive.

Simon Honest2:53 pm 31 Mar 25

So in the last three years it wasn’t worth doing anything about till now?
i bet it will be moved to the too hard basket once the election is over

The current government cause the greatest cost of living crisis in history and the PM is now blaming the supermarkets for his and his government’s incompetence! The desperation and deceit he is willing to go to is mind boggling.

Another fact free contribution to a fact free election. The so-called cost of living crisis is the result of many factors many international and they include the actions of at least the last two Australian Federal governments.

Not half as mind-boggling as the fatuity of your comment.

@johntheswan
While I won’t argue in favour of the current government on a number of issues, your blithering rant, essentially absolving the “big two” supermarkets, is simply jaundiced partisanship and is obviously based on the populist commentary on your social media feed.

Heywood Smith1:15 pm 31 Mar 25

So the ACCC have come out and said there is no proof of price gouging, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Collusion between the big 2 was rife.! The problem in Australia is our government is too small and has SFA $$ to deal with these big corporations, be it supermarkets, energy company’s, fuel companies, banks etc. The fine imposed by the ACCC for those companies it has the balls to find guilty and fine in the past is piddly in comparison to the billions they have made due to their dishonest practices.. Either start fining them hundreds of millions, or even billions, so it hurts!! Or get some fn proper regulators stood up to stop this collusion and corruption within the big corporate companies in Aus fleecing everyday working Aussies of their hard earnt money!

Another fact free contribution to a fact free election. The so-called cost of living crisis is the result of many factors many international and they include the actions of at least the last two Australian Federal governments.

GrumpyGrandpa12:10 pm 31 Mar 25

I have a very simple question.
Why do politicians wait until there is an election, before promising to act?

“Australians shouldn’t be treated like mugs at the checkout – that’s why Labor will make supermarket price gouging illegal.”

You’d have to be pretty naive to swallow this load of codswallop.

It reminds me of when Malcolm Fraser introduced a wages freeze, to reduce inflation. Naturally, there were calls to freeze grocery prices, and his answer was something along the lines of “you can freeze produce, but the supply is variable and you can’t freeze it’s supply” – not his words, but Fraser was probably more honest about it.

I can’t see how Albo is going to pay the farmers more, control variable supply, and yet control manufacturing, distribution and retail profit margins?

It’s political BS.

To paraphrase John Howard, a broken promise, is something that wasn’t a core promise.

My view is that politicans, regardless of which way they lean, owe it to us, their employer, to be upfront and honest. Promise what you can deliver and what we, the taxpayer, can fund.

Ha, Greens are trying to steal credit, but won’t take responsibility for the broken ACT budget caused by 12 years of Greens-Labor wild spending that has left taxpayers burdened with a $1 billion deficit and $13 billion debt.

Supermarkets might be gouging, but not nearly as much as renewable energy companies. Albanese yesterday threw out the door that ridiculous Reputex energy forecast report which predicted $275 price reductions but delivered $1,200 rises. The 82% 2030 RET has been ditched too. If Albo wants to do something about gouging, start there.

Another day, another fact free post.

I bet you believe every word in the Nuclear Fantasy document put out by frontier however…

Which fact are you disputing JS9 ? Or are you just copy and pasting your usual silly contribution ?

At this moment the spot price for electricity is negative, because available renewable energy exceeds demand.

Coal is still supplying 36% because the uneconomic dinosaurs cannot be switched off and on easily, just like nuclear. They are running at a current loss.

When renewables are less available in the evening the spot price rises to about $100/MWh. Renewables make the average price lower.

These things mysterious to Penfold are in the real world called facts.

If anyone has a problem with energy prices they should examine their retailer options and oppose anyone who will try to slow or halt penetration of renewable energy.

Axon – that all sounds wonderful. So why has Labor throw out the 2022 forecasts, is it because they’ve been proven to be so dramatically wrong ?

Penfold, being a meme warrior and not knowing what he’s talking about still hasn’t acknowledged that the Energy Retailers & Generators have rejected Dutton’s nuclear scam.

Too slow and too expensive and when even the Brits have Hinkley C running well over a decade long and with the $35bn cost blowing to three times that is it any wonder they don’t want to take the risk.

Nuclear in Australia is not happening even if Dutton wins…a vote for Dutton is a vote for another coalition led stagnation in energy investment and higher prices and emissions as a result.

Capital Retro2:00 pm 31 Mar 25

If coal is so bad Axon, why don’t we simply turn off the coal now and then attack all the denialist electrical retailers with pitchforks?
We gullible Australians will then all feel warm knowing we have just saved the planet.
No one else in the world cares.

Penfold, ask Albanese or Reputex. Their claims are their problem.

The facts I presented are undisputed.

Capital Retro,
Why would we do that, when we can plan and deliver an organised transition to lower cost renewable energy as the older coal plants are decommissioned?

Can’t see where anyone is suggesting the existing coal plants don’t have their place in the short-term but acknowledging the problems of their current economics, is simply recognising the facts.

The same exact problems that would exist for nuclear.

Well Axon facts need verification. Notably you’ve provided none. You’ll forgive me, particularly in light of our other recent conversation, to ignore your claim about facts. And another hint – a forecast, or prediction of the future, is never a fact.

Here’s an unrefutable fact though – Labor’s Reputex modelling has proven to be bollocks. Or to use Albo’s words, they were “taking the piss”.

“Here’s an unrefutable fact though”….Penfold backs it up with no evidence whatsoever…must be too hard to copy across from a meme.

Penfold is apparently incapable of looking up easily available, public, market information; what is actually paid for electricity in the National Energy Market.

When he does find any reference, he is demonstrably unable (or unwilling) to understand it.

My facts are indisputable, and I made no predictions despite the rattling of an empty vessel trying to drag discussion off the price realities.

Well make your mind up Axon, either i can’t look up info or can’t understand it, you can’t have it both ways. I’m still waiting for you to explain why the wild gencost assumptions were valid, seems a bridge too far.

As for price realities have you nothing to say about the reality of $1,200 higher power prices ? That’s a reality to many Australians. More renewables, higher prices. Even 65% of RiotAct readers agree.

“And another hint – a forecast, or prediction of the future, is never a fact.”

“Here’s an unrefutable fact though – Labor’s Reputex modelling has proven to be bollocks.”

The fact that you clearly can’t see the inherent contradiction in your own sentences, even when they are right next to each other, is hilarious.

“Well make your mind up Axon, either i can’t look up info or can’t understand it, you can’t have it both ways.”…Penfold, on the rare times you do attempt to back up your meme level arguments you typically post articles you clearly either haven’t read or haven’t understood because they don’t say what you claim they are saying…so it definitely could be both.

“I’m still waiting for you to explain why the wild gencost assumptions were valid”….you haven’t explained why they are invalid….when pressed you become deliberately cryptic and vague.

Once again, here’s the Gencost report. Please clearly explain where it is wrong and back that up with evidence rather than opinion you’ve copied from elsewhere:
https://www.csiro.au/-/media/Energy/GenCost/GenCost2024-25ConsultDraft_20241205.pdf

We both know you won’t because you can’t

$1200 rises? Have you nothing to say to support your claims? No, you haven’t.

A suggestion for you Penfold: point people to the “other conversation” you mentioned above. Name the title and provide a handy reference to the first post, so people can read it and decide how you went for themselves.

See where Penfold offered references which contradicted his own claims. Immediately, it is there “both ways”, Penfold looks up information but does not understand it.

See also where Penfold has trouble grasping capacity factors.

See also where Penfold demonstrates he hasn’t a clue about NPV or project finance.

While you are avoiding those realities Penfold, did you even look to find easily available, public, market information showing what is actually paid for electricity in the National Energy Market? The facts I presented are indisputable, on the public record of actual prices paid in the market today. Penfold has no answers, nor ever has pretended to really.

Chewy – that one’s easy buddy. Reputex made predictions about the period 2022 to 2025. Last time i checked, the year is 2025 and their predictions have proved totally wrong 😁

“Penfold looks up information but does not understand it.”

He doesn’t even do that, he just regurgitates straight from wherever he’s getting his culture wars feed…this is why he gets nebulous and vague whenever challenged on specifics.

He literally posted this 2018 fact check (after I’d posted it earlier in the same thread) to claim that it proved climate change is not happening. But anyone sensible who has actually read the article would see that it does not do that even though it explains why Tuvalu has grown (while parts of the Solomons have disappeared):
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

Penfold,
Bzzzzzt, wrong again and once again hilarious that you don’t actually know why.

Sounds like you’ve been listening to the hapless Bowen for too long chewy. Oh well.

Multiple times you’ve claimed ‘$1200 increases’ but not once provided any form of actual evidence for said claim. But that’s every post of yours – all nonsense, all bluster, all dribble.

“Multiple times you’ve claimed ‘$1200 increases’ but not once provided any form of actual evidence for said claim. “

If it’s not explained on the meme or coalition talking point he copied it from Penfold is completely stuck.

Penfold,
sounds like you’ve been taking magic lessons from David Copperfield.

Every time the ignorance of your argument is shown with factual evidence:

Abracadabra….. you disappear.

Well chewy it doesn’t take a large amount of brain power ect to repeatedly post “no, you’re wrong” without providing evidence. Take the Reputex modelling above as an example. Perhaps you could try a slightly less invective approach with a little more intelligence.

Penfold, once again demonstrating smug doesn’t trump fact.

Facts that the terminally dim and tediously smug keep ignoring:
1. The Gencost report remains undefeated by vague allusions to IPA talking points that have been addressed in the report.
2. Dutton’s plan relies on Nuclear being built in Australia faster than any western country in history. Laughable.
3. Dutton’s plan relies heavily on Australia building SMRs, despite SMRs not being commercially viable anywhere. The cost of building an SMR is not much different to a full scale reactor but they don’t produce anywhere near enough energy to justify the cost. Dutton’s numbers are dodgy as.
4. The energy generators and retailers have looked at the above, not to mention the waste and public perception issues and have rejected Dutton’s scam, nuclear in Australia is too expensive and too slow. They’re not investing and without them Dud Dutton’s Dodgy plan is DOA.

Dutton’s nuclear fantasy will not happen even if he’s elected PM.

Game over.

Penfold,
perhaps you could first respond to the numerous comments and questions that I and others have already posted outlining the failings of your position, with detailed evidence provided?

Or as this guy says:

“You’ll forgive me, particularly in light of our other recent conversations, to ignore your claim about facts.”

Have you worked out what a capacity factor is yet?

and Penfold squibbed my kind invitation to show people exactly where those “conversations” were if he wished to support his comment.

Yes indeed chewy, what i’ve worked out is that there is a limited capacity factor in this forum to digest any information that goes against some people’s biases. For example we know power prices went up 40% between 2022-23 and 2023-24. The AFR and ABC report on these, feel free to google them. There’s little point posting links as they don’t get read. But here’s some quotes from the AFR:

“Households and small businesses endured two years of sharp price hikes – driving up bills by about 40 per cent in total”.

“The average NSW household on a benchmark tariff currently pays between $1810 and $2500 a year for electricity, depending on their distribution area.”

We also know that the AER has just approved price rises of 9%, bringing the total to an astonishing 49% since Labor came to power. Now a rooly smart bloke like you can do the maths …. 49% of $2,500. Feel free to do the maths.

And because i’m such a nice person, fyi you can even google the quotes and find the article. You’re most welcome 😃

Penfold,
Yes electricity prices have gone up in Australia. And? Who says they haven’t?

“We also know that the AER has just approved price rises of 9%, bringing the total to an astonishing 49% since Labor came to power. Now a rooly smart bloke like you can do the maths …. 49% of $2,500. Feel free to do the maths.”

Bahahaha, do you ever stop shooting yourself in the foot?

Making an elementary mathematical error, whist trying to talk about how simple the maths it is. 😂

That’s not how you would back calculate the dollar amount from a percentage “increase”.

Even ignoring that its not how you would calculate the overall percentage increases in the first place because they compound each year.

This is some of the most amusing stuff I’ve ever seen on this website and I’ve been here a long time.

Oh, BTW, the ACT that has paid for 100% renewable electricity offsets have seen price rises less than half those in NSW for the same period.

Really doesn’t fit in with your attempt to ignore all the actual causes for electricity price rises does it.

Penfold furiously avoids the subject of relative prices of renewables and other energy, the actual topic he raised. Unsurprising, given he has no answer to public records which obliterate his foolish claim.

It seems likely Penfold posts no links because he has fallen flat when he tried before, finding his own references contradicted him. However, as a special favour I googled up a 13 March ABC report which referred to 40% rises from 2022 to 2024 and found these several quotes:
“tariffs to rise by between 5.1 and 8.9 per cent in some parts of the country” (being NSW, Qld, SA)
“well below the 20 per cent price rises seen a few years ago as energy prices spiked around the invasion of Ukraine.”
“In Victoria, … average below 1 per cent for households … and under 3 per cent for businesses”
“power … jumped … in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine when oil and gas prices shot up globally.”
“Prices … fell in some states last year” [2024]
“wholesale prices were being pushed higher by fossil fuels.”
“gas … set electricity prices in the market 50 to 90 per cent of the time”
“unplanned outages at coal plants … also contributed to the elevated cost”
“renewable energy was correlated with low or even negative spot prices”

The report contradicts Penfold on price factors, as expected.

Penfold, instead of struggling with NPV and capacity factors, write all you know about spot markets, forward contracts and hedging. I have a postage stamp handy for the purpose.

No one is arguing prices rises, they’re arguing causes….the reason you’re not linking articles is not because “they’re not read” it’s because you’re using the red herring logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Prices are not high because of renewables… here’s another article for you not to read explaining this:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/energy-bills-still-rising-despite-falling-wholesale-prices/103741682

And the current high prices which will eventually ease (for once stop beclowning yourself and actually read the article), but the current prices do not in anyway make nuclear cheap in Australia. Nor do the current energy prices make Dutton’s nonsensical energy “plan” which has already been rejected by the Energy Generators and Retailers (and ignoring this fact doesn’t make it go away champ) in way at all viable.

With his nuclear plan dead Dutton essentially has no energy plan, something I’m sure he and the coal producers are well aware of. A vote for Dutton is a vote for another period o coalition government driven stagnation in energy investment. A vote for Dutton is a vote for higher energy prices.

If a definition of intelligence is knowing your limits, your continued refusal to recognise that you’re out of your depth on energy, suggests that you really cannot be very smart Penfold but as always I am glad I could help.

Thanks chewy, i rest my case. Cheers.

Axon – love it, you’ve stumbled on the answer ! “40% rises from 2022 to 2024”, “tariffs to rise by between 5.1 and 8.9 per cent in some parts of the country”. Congratulations, you’ve made it all the way to 49% energy price rises under Albo’s crazy renewable dream. And the $1,200 rise. Pat yourself on the back.

No no, no, don’t go away Penfold,

Came back and regale us with some more of your mathematical prowess.

I really want to hear more about your claimed $1200 power increases that you calculated by multiplying current maximum typical NSW figures by 49%.

Even though under your own worst figures the number is actually closer to $800 and the ACT with 100% renewable offsets is less than half that amount.

Bahahahahahaha, I’ve never seen someone disprove their own points so many times in a few days.

I can certainly be happy that I recognise the reality that prices are and will be lower with renewables, while nuclear, coal and gas are more expensive.

Penfold flees from every slightest challenge.

No matter how many times you blame renewables without evidence it’s not true Penfold.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/energy-bills-still-rising-despite-falling-wholesale-prices/103741682

I note you’re not responding to any of the points I’ve made, because you can’t, yet still are posting the same tired and defeated arguments.

How pathetic.

Chewy – perhaps you should write to the AFR and tell them their calculations are wrong too. Good luck with that !

Penfold,
Oh, why would I need to do that, when the talking points from the one article you provided from last year has already been completely refuted both here and elsewhere. The Gencost report you havent read does so as well.

Perhaps you should read more broadly?

https://reneweconomy.com.au/why-the-afr-economics-editor-is-wrong-on-gencost-nuclear-and-always-on-power/

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nuclear-is-ok-if-it-makes-economic-sense-but-mr-dutton-in-australia-it-doesn-t-20240317-p5fd1s.html

Chewy you’re getting all confused. The nice folk at the AFR were writing about power price rises in the article i shared, not about nuclear. Have you contacted them yet ?

Chewy you’re getting all confused. The nice folk at the AFR were writing about power price rises in the article i shared, not about nuclear. Have you contacted them yet ?

The renew article was an interesting read, bamboozling us with terminology and analysis. But it failed to mention a simple accounting principle – depreciation.

You really do look like a fool when you don’t even understand the basic premise of how one should calculate percentages.

Great, perhaps you could explain (which we both know you won’t).

Once again Penfold with the prices red herring which no one has argued. There’s no clearer sign that you’ve lost the argument and are just attention seeking at this point, sad.

PS. “The renew article was an interesting read, bamboozling us with terminology “…I did laugh at this though, admitting you don’t understand the subject you comment on obsessively isn’t the clever win you seem to think it is…

Oh lordy! Even dead budgies are laughing! Penfold has found the word “depreciation” and is keen to show how little he understands of that amid project finance, system costs, marginal rates of return and anything else relevant just like he flunked NPV and capacity factors. No wonder he admits to being bamboozled by an analysis.

Penfold, I am quite familiar with how and why trolls troll, and the research thereon. You have found some of the patterns but not the ability, like a runner who can somehow put one foot in front of another yet always comes dead last.

You are not even a good shill for the Liberal Party.

Penfold,
you didn’t share any article here, AFR or otherwise. And none of the claimed quotes you’ve used make any mention of your claimed increase of $1200. Considering your inability to calculate percentage increases and decreases over time, it’s obvious why.

Although, It is interesting that you are claiming the upcoming 2024-25 electricity prices are caused by the current government but the massive increases in 2022-23 that were determined before they came into power were also their fault. Or that you’ve made no mention of the reduction in prices that occurred in 2024-25 for NSW, your apparent favourite area. Even though we are in the ACT and our price increases with 100% renewable offsets were less than half that.

If the Liberals win the upcoming election are they similarly responsible for the increase for 25-26?

But because you didn’t provide any links, I can share some articles from the nice folk at the AFR that can help you out with some background on the causes of electricity price rises in recent years:

“If you speak to the regulator they say all the pointers [for power prices] are upwards, no matter what Morrison says. And no matter what Albo [Albanese] says, most of those pointers are something that even if he was in government, he would have no control over whatsoever.”

“Wholesale power prices have increased significantly over the past year. That is due to a range of factors, including the war in Ukraine, global energy woes and unplanned maintenance of coal-fired power stations in Australia.”

“The Australian Energy Market Operator said the average wholesale power price in the March quarter rose 141 per cent from a year earlier to $87 a megawatt hour. Prices rocketed higher again last month amid stretched coal and gas markets, and disruptions at coal power generators”

“The renew article was an interesting read, bamboozling us with terminology and analysis. But it failed to mention a simple accounting principle – depreciation.”

I’m not surprised you were bamboozled by a detailed article that provides an expert analysis of the actual economics and modelling detail, rather than simply providing biased talking points.

As for your last sentence, unfortunately all this does is provide another example of your lack of knowledge in the area, when depreciation is directly included in the calculations and modelling for the LCOE analysis.

Wow chewy, you and Axon have worked yourselves up into a real lather. I’m picturing you guys sitting together in the ACT offices of the young green left socialist alliance.

But i have to admit, chewy you do have me on a technicality. I didn’t actually post the AFR article but gave you quite enough material to google it, which sadly it appears you haven’t done. If you had you would have learned quite a few things about the electricity market. As you can’t seem to grasp how prices have risen $1,200 under Labor, and being a nice person, let’s walk you through it:

Step 1: Assumptions. Let’s take the ABC and AFR at their word that prices rose 40% in the past 2 years and up to 8.9% this year. Also let’s assume, per Energyse here in Canberra (see link), that the average power bill for a “3 person household” is up to $300 per month. Now for the fun part, the maths.

https://energyse.com.au/utilities/average-electricity-bill/canberra

Step 2. The maths. $300 x 12 = annual bill of $3,600. (current). Then let’s discount it for the 40% growth since Labor took office. 100/140 x $3,600 gives us $2,571. Hope you’re keeping up so far. So when Labor took office bills were $2,571. Now add to that 40% plus 8.9%(actually it’s compounding but let’s not confuse you too much) and we get a rise of 48.9% in three years.

Step 3. The outcome. $2,571 x 48.9% = …. drumroll …. $1,257 ! 🥳

Hopefully that wasn’t too confusing. Claiming Labor have increased prices by $1,200 is perfectly reasonable.

Hopefully this meets with your expert approval. Perhaps if you have an alternative view you could explain it, with numbers.

Axon – yes it’s clear that, to use your words, “I am quite familiar with how and why trolls troll”. No further clarification required.

Now that we’ve cleared up that knowledge gap for you young chaps, would you like an explanation on how the CSIRO’s regrettable errors on gencost mean they have nuclear costs up to 3.6 times higher than is the case ?

Btw one question that is bamboozling chewy – how did the Ukraine war send renewable prices soaring as you claim ? Did the sun stop shining because of it ? Did the wind stop blowing ?

Penfold…are you OK…you seem to have transitioned from nonsense to gibberish.

None of your last two posts contain an ounce of truth (and much of it makes no sense whatsoever), you’re clearly a clueless attention seeker as evidenced by your continued attacks on the Gencost report which you refuse to back up or even clearly explain.

I feel sorry for you mate, the internet hasn’t been a boon for everyone unfortunately.

Wow, Penfold has really gone over the deep-end there, must have furiously been typing in Mum’s basement without even stopping to find or understand the broader data. At this point, I’m doubting even wider reading would assist.

But seeing as you want to talk about Canberra, why would we do any of your error ridden steps, when we can simply go to the regulator’s website for Canberra and see how typical electricity prices in Canberra, with 100% renewable offsets have gone:

https://www.icrc.act.gov.au/energy/electricity

22-23: 1.25% reduction
23-24: 4.15% increase
24-25: 12.75% increase.
25-26 isn’t released yet.

Now that you’ve been taught how percentages work, lets see how you might calculate that percentage increase for the ACT?

When the current typical usage in Canberra is 6500kwhr/year, equates to a bill of ~$2120, up from ~$1840 in 2022

Although, thanks for providing the link showing that a 3 person household can get a price of around $119 a month in Canberra, that’s a sweet deal.

Makes sense that you would promote $300 a month though, when you have freely admitted to supporting higher power costs and bigger government spending.

” how did the Ukraine war send renewable prices soaring as you claim ?”

As above, Canberra was shielded because renewables weren’t significantly impacted, when in comparison gas prices tripled. Hopefully this has cleared up some of your knowledge gaps, although I think the mathematical ability may be a bridge too far.

Maybe if you want to look at numbers, can I suggest a class in beginners Sudoku?

Unsuccessful, Penfold. You really are not very good at any of it.

Penfold…. If you are paying $300 a month on a power bill…. Change provides bro its not that expensive

Well chewy I did hold out hope that you might address those steps and calculations specifically in your endless claims that the figures are wrong but alas you’ve disappointed again. Wild tangents about ACT renewable offsets are humourous but don’t add any relevance to the discussion. Anyway it’s been fun, perhaps you’ve even learnt something. Say hi to Axon for me. 😆

ZeroVevo – it’s worse than that. Plus gas as well.

The Penfold manifold failure.

You sure you don’t have a leak anywhere? Mine is never that high nor is anyone that I know.

Enjoy the juniors Sudoku class Penfold and thanks for showing us that we don’t need to pay attention to your made up figures and woeful maths skills too much.

Although they do explain your inability to put forward a cogent argument on any topic.

And because I’m so nice, here’s a link to continue your educational journey.

https://youtu.be/kDFLcCOS7aw?feature=shared

Maybe, but there’s a few mouths to feed. We got a bill 2 weeks ago for $3,000 coz they misread a number. Great quality control.

He’s got a leak somewhere that much is for sure…

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