The glass cliff, Hillary Clinton and Julia Gillard in one unmissable summit

“what is a woman” Stephen? You must know, you’re apparently an expert.

I look forward to the inevitably scientifically/biologically wrong, comically clownish culture wars response….assuming there is one.

I reckon that’s a lot of words to say nothing much.

Can you remind me Penfold of which one referred to people as “deplorables” and who said “we are us”?

Which one advocated for women, but destroyed the reputation of any that attracted the wandering eyes of Bill

Hard to remember CR, though one of them had a problem with men in blue ties with watches yet defended Peter Slipper.

@Capital Retro
You do know that Hilary Clinton, a few days later, publicly apologised for her generalisation about Trump’s supporters? As you would know, not all of his supporters are the deplorables to which she referred – ie racists, sexists, homophobics, xenophobics and/or Islamophobics.

Nevertheless, perhaps Penfold can also remind us, of when Trump issued an apology for, more recently, falsely accusing, on at least two occasions, Haitian immigrants, in Ohio, of abducting and eating pets.

That would be the one that lived in a high dungeon at the hyperbowl.

Penfold, are you sure you are not trying to re-write history? Did Gillard actually defend Slipper or was it a case of her not joining in the attack when Abbott tried to use Slipper in his political games?

Hi Megsy

No rewriting of history, here’s the Wikipedia reference to that speech.

“In moving the no-confidence motion, Abbott stated that Slipper’s texts were sexist and misogynistic and rendered him unfit to serve as speaker, and implied that Gillard was hypocritical in defending Slipper’s continuation as speaker. He stated that her government was “only too ready to detect sexism – to detect misogyny, no less – until they find it in one of their own supporters, until they find it in someone upon whom this Prime Minister relies to survive in her job”. Abbott stated that every day Gillard supported Slipper was “another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard%27s_misogyny_speech

Asked to provide evidence of Gillard supporting Peter Slipper, Pengold provides a Wikipedia link quoting Tony Abbott.

Make it stop, bahahahahaha, Pengold at it again.

Sounds like it went straight over your head chewy.

You probably weren’t around at the time, but the misogyny speech was probably the second lowest moment of Gillard’s career. To be fair she’s rebuilt her dignity since leaving politics unlike people like Turnbull and Rudd, and will always be known as Australia’s first female PM. But this was not a great look defending Slipper. Several months later she was removed by her own party.

It was Hilary

Penfold, you haven’t provided any evidence to back up your claim that Gillard defended Slipper. You have provided a piece that confirms my point that she merely refused to join in Abbott’s games. If Abbott was so concerned about Slipper’s misogyny, why didn’t he act at the time of the so-called locker-room talk? Why did he wait several years and then try to use it as a wedge tool against Gillard after he and his previous mate (ie Slipper) had a falling out and Slipper had abandoned him? That no-confidence motion by Abbott was a low point in his already dismal career. No wonder he looked like a stunned mullet when Gillard stood up to him. He totally misread her and no amount of spinning the story by people like you will change that.

@Penfold
While I agree that the circumstances in the lead up were questionable, Penfold, you are stretching it to suggest the ‘misogyny speech’ was a low moment in Gillard’s career. History has reported very favourably on that speech, especially as it went viral around the world – admittedly among women, but that’s about 50% of the population, not to mention the many men, apart from the likes of you, who also lauded it.

PS Have you forgotten, Abbott (who isn’t remembered for much at all, if anything) was also removed by his own party in much quicker time than Gillard.

Sorry Pengold,
I realise you may have been in remedial statistics class at the time, but quoting a political opponent to “prove” that a politician “supported” someone else is hilariously out there, even for you.

And its not even an issue that needed embellishment, there was plenty of direct quotes you could have used to make a point around the political moves of the time.

You never fail to outdo yourself, well done.

megsy it’s not hard to read the transcript of the speech, which clearly defended Slipper and his awful text messages. Gillard used it to attack Abbott, declaring him a misogynist. Which was somewhat odd, given Abbott was a happily married bloke with three daughters, a female deputy and a female Chief of Staff. Some misogynist. But according to Gillard he had “repulsive double standards when it comes to misogyny and sexism”. His further crimes included wearing a blue tie and checking the time on his watch. It was a low point for any Australian Prime Minister on the floor of parliament.

JS this will come as a surprise to you but many women thought the speech was appalling too. But as I said, at least Gillard has repaired her image in recent years.

I don’t recall that apology from Hilary Clinton JS however I will accept that it happened.

What I don’t recall also are examples of misogamy that Tony Abbott was alleged to have poured on Julia Gillard.

“Penfold, you are stretching it to suggest the ‘misogyny speech’ was a low moment in Gillard’s career.”

The point Penfold is unintentionally making is it was a low point for misogynists.

Btw megsy you might wish to review Labor’s primary vote in the months after the misogyny speech to see how well it resonated. One month it started with a 2.

Penfold, stop trying to deflect. You still haven’t provided evidence of your claim Gillard supported Slipper’s misogyny. All she did was stand up to Abbott’s bullying.

Read the transcript megsy. Only somebody one-eyed would struggle to see Gillard’s defence of Slipper and ridiculous attacks on Abbott.

Remember she’d just installed Slipper as Speaker of the House.

Penfold,
If you think other people should read the transcript, you must have read it yourself yes?

So it would be quite easy for you to provide direct quotes from it to prove your point?

If you aren’t just one-eyed and talking nonsense that is.

CR – don’t you recall Abbott looking at his watch once to tell the time when Jules was speaking in QT ? That’s about as rude hence misogynistic as it gets surely.

Almost worse was wearing a blue tie, what was Abbott thinking 🤔

Im even more convinced after the above efforts, that Pengold is actually a far left wing extremist, deliberately commenting to make right wingers look foolish.

Right on, Penfold.

I had to laugh at chewy pointing out that Pengold is so incompetent he has to be a far left wing plant to make the right wing look bad…and then right on cue Capital enters the chat.

@Penfold
“ review Labor’s primary vote in the months after the misogyny speech to see how well it resonated”
I know how much store you place in polls, Penfold. If Gillard’s speech was such a downward spiral for her, how do you explain that immediately afterwards, she held a 10 point margin as preferred PM to Abbott – 50% to 40%?

Well to channel my inner JS, prove it. The articles i’ve found from back then suggest her disapproval rating was 52% and the Labor 2PP was in turbo retreat several weeks afterwards. Of course there was a few weeks of the sisterhood and their hangers-on like the ABC triumphantly running around with warm inner glows, but then the reality of her words set in.

https://www.pollbludger.net/2012/12/10/newspoll-54-46-to-coalition-11/

Either way we know how it all ended with her own team kicking her out, so clearly the long term impact of her speech and Prime Ministership was negative. And she gave us one of the most famous porkies in Australian political history.

@Penfold
No problem, Penfold, unlike your supposed reference in a Canberra Times article, I am not fabricating my quote.

From this 22-Oct-2012 article (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-22/gillard-surges-ahead-as-preferred-pm-in-nielsen-poll/4325840), and I quote:
“The Nielsen poll published in Fairfax newspapers shows Ms Gillard now has a 10-point lead over Mr Abbott on the question of who voters would prefer as prime minister, taking her to 50 per cent compared with the Opposition Leader on 40 per cent.”

As for your attempted spin over what happened later, I was addressing your suggestion the ‘misogyny speech’ was a low moment in Gillard’s career.”

Clearly it wasn’t.

Oh, this is where Pengold becomes a magician again, disappearing after making himself look like a ridiculous fool.

Not sure how a PPM stat proves anything JS. Very quickly the ALP 2PP was 27% and not long after that Gillard was removed.

Her speech can’t have been too inspirational.

@Penfold
Sorry, Penfold, I can’t see you have progressed your argument at all.

Immediately after the speech, which virtually pitted Gillard against Abbott in the public eye, Gillard’s stocks rose. That’s certainly prima facie evidence that, immediately after, the speech, rather than being “the second lowest moment of Gillard’s career”, it resonated with those polled.

So, if a continuing downward trend in the Gillard government’s 2PP standing is all you have to demonstrate the negativity towards Gillard’s speech, then you really have nothing whatsoever to offer.