11 July 2025

Why we should give a damn about the demise of 'toilet paper degrees' at our universities

| By Claire Fenwicke
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If society considers studying creative arts a vanity project, then why does it value culture so much? Photo: Martin Ollman.

Our society seems to be incredibly confused about what it wants to be – being cultured is the aim, is to be admired, but in no way should we allow those lazy, self-indulgent creatives to learn their craft in order to provide us with such culture.

The outrage over the proposed changes to the ANU’s College of Arts and Social Sciences – and in particular the disestablishment of the School of Music – has seen emerge the old refrains of “get a job” and “they’re just vanity degrees” aimed at those who dare to try and become what many of us don’t have the talent or drive to be: an artist, a performer, a musician, a designer.

The refrain “that’s just a toilet paper degree” – the graduation certificate good for nothing but wiping your arse – is another common one.

You should give a damn about the demise of creative arts education, of our institutions valuing money over being there for the broader public purpose.

Former School of Music head Professor Peter Tregear summed up how he felt about the claims changes were being made to secure the university’s economic future.

“That’s bullshit.”

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He told Region universities should be places about the pursuit of truth, of curiosity and inquiry.

“We’ve lost the conversation about higher education as a public good,” Prof Tregear said.

“The classic example is what happened during COVID-19 lockdowns, everyone retreated into music, into shows, into the arts. When the crunch came, that’s who we are.

“We are a living, breathing culture … what sort of country are we becoming that investment [in culture] is so hard to contemplate?”

Outside of that, what about equipping people with the tools to record our society, our history, as it is in a moment in time?

Has society devolved into worshipping the value of a buck so much that we have forgotten about the value of expression, about the importance of fostering a way of thinking different to the norm?

Where do we look when we want to remember a moment in time, to find out what it actually felt like to be there?

We turn to the arts. Poems, artworks, compositions.

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The arts are an important mirror to society, both recording sentiment at the time and challenging it.

Different ways of thinking are what makes our society vibrant and helps deliver progress.

But we often ridicule what we fear, what we don’t understand and what causes jealousy.

Fountain by Marcel Duchamp seems silly, taking a urinal from a wall, turning it sideways, slapping a signature on it and submitting to an exhibition.

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Marcel Duchamp’s 1917 sculpture Fountain. Photo: Marcel Duchamp/Alfred Stieglitz/Wikimedia Commons.

But he was testing assumptions about what made something “art”, a huge turning point in modern and conceptual art.

Or Rhythm 0 by innovative performance artist Marina Abramovic? In 1974, she laid out a variety of objects – honey, lipstick, a feather, a rose, a razor blade, a loaded gun – and invited the audience to do what they wanted to her.

It lasted six hours. It began softly, with the audience being passive, tickling with her with the feather or giving her a kiss.

Then it turned violent. The rose thorns were pushed into her stomach, her clothes were cut, the knife stuck between her legs.

It ended when an audience member held the loaded gun to her head.

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This was a feminist piece on how far people could be willing to go when someone is viewed as an “object” rather than a person.

A piece that arguably is still very relevant today.

What about when Banksy built a shredder into his Girl With Balloon piece and hit the self-destruct button as it was sold for $1.4 million in 2018?

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Banksy’s Girl with Balloon. A framed copy of the work self-shredded just moments after the hammer came down. Photo: Dominic Robinson/Wikimedia Commons.

We revere these moments in art history but now we’re trying to stop new historical moments from being created.

Our cultural institutions and creative education need to be preserved and protected, not ridiculed and dismissed, especially in a place such as Canberra.

What are we saying to the rest of the world about our priorities when not even the university in the nation’s capital seems to place any value on the arts?

Besides, are you trying to tell me those studying sensible money-making degrees aren’t just as self-absorbed as any creative?

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Capital Retro12:09 pm 12 Jul 25

Back in the days before welcome to country and other woke stuff, a BA was a useful qualification because it taught people to research using recognised standards.

In Canberra these days a BA is just a piece of paper.

When I go to the the gallery/ performance I can clearly tell apart the art by their uni degree.

Putting any complaints in to Fix My Street is a waste of time. Dead trees opposite us and reported several years ago and yellow spot and ‘case closed’. When one fell, tape was put around the plantation, which promptly fell down, and nowt has happened since.

Incidental Tourist3:33 pm 11 Jul 25

A huge demand for Art is here. All tickets to “The Ballet International Gala” next month have already been sold out. So why won’t local artists dance Ballet or sing Opera if it is in demand? If you are creative and you have something to give, people will always recognise your effort. If some “artists” find urinals more attractive then they may wish to choose toilet cleaner career which is where they perhaps truly belong.

Who scores the judges that score the scoring judges judging of art students, hey just ask’n.

I went to a UC Graduation this year only to be lectured about Indigenous history. Seems UC is more interested in being Woke than giving students useful work skills.

What’s your objection to indigenous history and why is it woke?

How is understanding history not a useful skill?

I would say as it’s utterly irrelevant to most people, particularly when they are at their graduation.
Graduation is meant to be a celebration of your success, not another brainwashing exercise.

As an Artist I have mixed feelings about this, it’s a terrible shame that it’s happening. After all, we don’t get the movies, TV shows and music we love to listen to without people enrolling into these degrees. HOWEVER I’ve witnessed too many Artists without University degrees go by unnoticed. Also, let’s be realistic; if you’re packing a bushfire kit do you fill it with art or food, water and spare clothes?

It’s not a either or choice Karl we can have art and bushfire kits.

Tom Worthington9:14 am 11 Jul 25

I have one of those pieces of paper from the ANU’s College of Arts and Social Sciences. It is not good for toilet paper: much too stiff and scratchy. 😉

Mores seriously, my studies were very useful for a job in teaching.

I know someone else that has an Art degree but it got her a job as an Art Teacher….that’s not what she originally had in mind though.

Tom Worthington3:53 pm 11 Jul 25

I didn’t think I was going to be a teacher either, but if that is what you are asked to do, a job teaching is better than no job.

We need more arts degrees, because asking questions like, ‘do you want fries with that?’ are important

I agree- creative arts are essential, and now tbat degrees are the way wepackage arts training – the degrees are important. Chris – with BSc and (science) PhD degrees – and living with artworks and performances.

Unfortunately not that essential. As I stated in my previous comment, if you’re packing a bushfire emergency kit what do you pack? Food, water and spare clothes or Art?

When we have to tighten our belts the arts should be the first thing to be impacted.

As an Artist it pains me to admit it but…you’re right.

In that case I assume because “we have to tighten our belts” you won’t be consuming any music, art, literature, no TV, movies, not even youtube…nothing from the entertainment industry at all really….lol

Attacking the arts not so much edgy as comically clueless.

One suspects Karl that your being an artist had little to do with an arts degree, but that could be wrong.

Most successful artists – music, painting, film, etc – probably had nothing to do with arts degrees.

Well Seano luckily most Australians aren’t required to make that choice. But if you’re poor and have to decide between a loaf of bread for the kids or Madonna’s new album then the outcome is obvious.

It sounds like you’re not familiar with having to make those decisions.

Prior to tightening “our belts”, some others have had to loosen theirs.

“Well Seano luckily most Australians aren’t required to make that choice. ” of course it’s not a choice, so why make your dumb comment in the first place? Because you hate the art or everything in some sad world views is only seen through the prism o culture wars.

“But if you’re poor and have to decide between a loaf of bread for the kids or Madonna’s new album then the outcome is obvious.”

You’re dating yourself (which explains a lot) but how is Madonna’s “new” album relevant to Australian arts funding?

Another comically clueless comment.

“It sounds like you’re not familiar with having to make those decisions.”

I’m family with critical thinking, you should look it up…you won’t find it on a site full of culture wars memes I’m afraid.

“Most successful artists – music, painting, film, etc – probably had nothing to do with arts degrees.”

Bwhahahahahahahaha….I mean stop please, I’m going to bust a rib. This comment explains so much, my mistake on early was assuming your opinions were failed understandings of the real world, it can happen to the any of us. I see now it’s just alternative universe you’ve created. lol

Thanks seano, if you think deciding between food for the kids and and a Madonna album requires critical thinking then i might rest my case there.

But i’m glad you’re family with those complexities. 🙂

Canberran – well that really depends on whether you’re a lifter or a leaner doesn’t it, to borrow a quote from Joe Hockey.

If you’re going to bust a rib seano you might need some urgent medical advice. I’d recommend booking a long consultation.

“Thanks seano, if you think deciding between food for the kids and and a Madonna album requires critical thinking then i might rest my case there.”

And the beclowning continues…..ah I hate to break it to you champ but no one is deciding between food…a Madonna album that doesn’t exist or a physical album at all in the real world of 2025…and none of this drivel has anything to do with Australian Arts funding….you really should rest your case here because it’s litany of Penfold fantasies that don’t reflect the real world the rest of us inhabit.

Comically clueless. lol

Madonna hasn’t released any albums ? Goodness buddy, the real world will be a real reckoning for you one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_albums_discography

“Madonna hasn’t released any albums ?”, who said that? And it’s not the actual point anyway.

Goodness buddy, most sensible when they’re losing put their hand up and own it, but not Penfold he becomes even more disingenuous. Another win, thanks. Ch-Ching!

seano do you have a wall in your cubby house where each time you have one of these …. eerrr …. RiotAct “wins” you draw up another gold star with crayons ?

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