5 August 2025

Policy ideas everywhere as productivity roundtable draws closer

| By Chris Johnson
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Jim Chalmers, Treasurer of Australia

Treasurer Jim Chalmers is not short on advice from all quarters about what should be up for discussion. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

With Treasurer Jim Chalmers’ productivity roundtable just two weeks away, stakeholders and lobby groups have been coming out of the woodwork agitating for pole position for areas of tax reform they consider should be the priority.

After all, while it’s been referred to from the get-go as a productivity roundtable, its formal name is the Economic Reform Roundtable.

No surprise then that a variety of suggestions for how to improve Australia’s tax regime have been forthcoming.

The Treasurer has pretty much already set the forum’s agenda for the three days, with sessions scheduled to focus on resilience in the face of global uncertainty, productivity and regulation, and budget and tax.

Dr Chalmers says he wants the roundtable discussions to prioritise striving for consensus among economists, the business sector, unions, and policymakers.

That’s a tall ask as they will all bring to the summit different and often opposing perspectives.

Political debate in the lead-up is intensifying – the Coalition is already accusing the union movement of calling the shots.

Shadow Treasurer Ted O’Brien will be in attendance, but he’s made it very clear that he’s not going there just to agree to everything the Labor government wants.

He’s already flagged that the Opposition won’t be supporting any moves to raise taxes overall.

And he has accused the Treasurer of intending to use the forum as a vehicle to be “looking for more taxes to feed his spending spree”.

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Knowing the political climate in which the roundtable will be conducted dampens any expectations of great things being achieved during the three days.

Breakthroughs from the talkfest might be few.

Having said all that, it’s worth taking a look at what the Productivity Commission has been coming up with in the lead-up to the roundtable.

Dr Chalmers has commissioned a number of reports.

The first one dropped last week and included a call for a 20 per cent tax rate on profits for companies with revenue of up to $1 billion.

That would be a tax cut for all but the largest of companies.

The Productivity Commission’s report also proposes a new 5 per cent tax on net cash flow instead of profits.

That idea would see large companies pay a higher tax rate but give tax relief to the smaller ones.

The Commission’s package of tax recommendations, if implemented, would be revenue-neutral overall.

But according to its own modelling, it would provide a $7.4 billion investment boost, a $14.6 billion output spike and increase productivity by 0.4 per cent.

On Monday (4 August), the Commission released its second of five reports to be published over the next two weeks, setting out practical reforms to boost Australia’s productivity.

This one is titled Investing in cheaper, cleaner energy and the net zero transformation and examines how governments can provide consistent incentives and faster approvals as keys to the net zero transformation.

Because, let’s face it, Barnaby and One Nation aside, the net zero targets are real and here to stay.

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In this report, the Commission says governments should address the gaps and overlaps in emissions reduction incentives, speed up approvals for clean energy infrastructure and create a resilience-rating system for all housing.

“Australia’s net zero transformation is well under way. Getting the rest of the way at the lowest possible cost is central to our productivity challenge,” Productivity Commissioner Barry Sterland said.

“With the right policy settings, we can limit the costs of decarbonising and speed up our approvals to unlock the opportunities of lower cost, more abundant clean energy.

“We can also boost our resilience to the effects of climate change and minimise their human and economic costs.”

Introducing enduring, broad-based market settings in the electricity sector to reduce emissions after 2030; expanding the Safeguard Mechanism to include more industrial facilities; and new, technology-neutral policy settings to incentivise reductions in emissions from heavy vehicles are some of the report’s recommendations.

So too are faster approvals for energy development infrastructure, and reforming national environment laws.

The report also recommends an independent clean energy coordinator-general be appointed to “work across government and break through roadblocks”.

A specialist “strike team” should be established to ensure priority projects are efficiently assessed.

“Getting to yes or no quicker on priority projects would meaningfully speed up the clean energy transition,” Commissioner Martin Stokie said.

With all the noise (constructive and otherwise) from interested parties – whether or not they are attending the roundtable – and the obligatory political debate surrounding it, it’s good to see some solid proposals from the Productivity Commission.

Commissioning the reports to be delivered in the lead-up to the roundtable was a prudent move, ensuring there will be ample discussions of substance taking place.

The Productivity Commission’s reports and recommendations should be prioritised over everything else up for debate.

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Productivity in Australia has slumped ever since the election of the Albanese government in May 2022. This graph (choose 10 years) indicates the slump began the moment they walked into office.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/productivity

There’s probably three key reasons:

1. Unions gaining control of the economy
2. The resultant record high inflation
3. The energy price explosion

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/inflation-cpi

Not coincidentally, the standard of living in Australia has fallen in eight quarters since May 2022.

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/how-australia-became-the-world-s-biggest-cost-of-living-loser-20241118-p5krgk

Capital Retro8:41 am 06 Aug 25

All that is needed is to increase GST to 15% on everything and close down the NDIS.

It’s too late to save industry.

Ridiculous, simplistic and wrong. Glad you’ll never be in power, it’s a concern you vote if this is your idea of a “solution” to productivity.

It’s a fair point CR. Back in 1980 some 229,000 Aussies received the disability support pension.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/2f762f95845417aeca25706c00834efa/48980d1138809db5ca2570ec000b7160!OpenDocument

Now apparently 5,500,000 Aussies claim to be disabled, or 21.4%.

https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/55-million-australians-have-disability

Isn’t it amazing what a bunch of extra money makes. Ouch, my back hurts. 🏥

Penfold once again mispresenting. Firstly, Capital’s dumb comment wasn’t’ about fixing the NDIS (which needs to happen) it was about closing it down.

Secondly, nonsensically comparing 1980’s people receiving disability support with 2025’s people who have some form of disability, is literal comparing of apples to oranges.

Your nonsense as ever can be dismissed.

Silly me seano, here was i thinking humans in 1980 could be compared with humans in 2025.

You are indeed silly if you think the number of people on disability support in 1980 is in anyway comparable with the number of people who have some sort of disability in 2025. It’s not just the 55 years of population growth it’s that you’re comparing two that are not remotely the same.

Grow up buddy.

Yes, silly Penfold.

You “compare” two different measures of two different populations (age profile) in two different social contexts.

Referring to “humans” adds as much sense as referring to “not llamas”. The errors are already there.

Very silly indeed.

seano you are the gift that keeps giving. Perhaps you could explain, using words, how it’s not a valid comparison. Happy to wait. As a question though, can we compare human statistics from say last year to this year ? What about a decade ago ? 25 years ? So where is the line, why can’t we compare with 1980 ?

Now a little life advice for you buddy – if you’re going to run around telling people how much smarter you are and how unintelligent they are, you might want to pay attention to details. Hyperlinks, for example. And mathematics. See it can be pretty embarrassing, humiliating even when you post howlers that an abacus could help with.

You will probably struggle to see your howler, but feel free to get back to us once you have. Before, or after your remedial maths lesson, i’m not too fussed.

Penfold on again resorts to his silly little insults when he is caught out as he is here.

You can tell he’s upset, but not rising to the bait it’s a simple fact that the number of people on disability support is not the same thing as the number of people with a disability. These are not directly comparable numbers, let alone the problematic comparison across 55 years. Another silly Penfold misrepresentation.

Grow up buddy.

Clearly still unaware seano.

Hey, what’s 2025 minus 1980 ? 🙂

You know when Penfold is really losing, when he starts picking out typos as if they’re winning arguments and posting emojis.

Penfold does not address any debate in good faith and therefore his arguments can be dismissed.

Btw Axon are you and seano sitting next to each other ?

You could teach him your 1 + 1 – 1 = 1 formula.

Lol, thought that might be your excuse seano. Fascinatingly you made the same “typo” twice. What are the chances ….

Here’s the answer: 2025 minus 1980 = 45.

It would have been simpler to admit the mistake, now your mathematics ability has been permanently shredded. But feel free to keep telling us how smart you are.

Explain how the number of people on disability benefits is the same as the number of Penfold with a disability Penfold.

I await your math genius….lol

Lol. It’s not, but if i’d used the term “informative extrapolation” i was worried those nine syllables might have caused an injury.

But clearly given your maths prowess it really doesn’t matter what numbers you’re given, they don’t mean anything.

“It would have been simpler to admit the mistake, now your mathematics ability has been permanently shredded.”

Even by your standards of losing this is pathetic Penfold. You really need to log off and go for a walk.

PS. Before going for that much need walk you should look up the definition of “typo” because you seem to be confused about that as well.

Stephen Saunders7:19 am 06 Aug 25

Everything’s “on the table” at the roundtable. Except, of course, Labor cults of net-zero and open-borders.

Well Stephen., show us how net zero relates directly to productivity then….. much easier however just to drivel on, isn’t it?

Dutton has already lost an election on climate & energy. There’s nothing wrong with net zero it’s how we drive lower energy prices (if you knew how the energy market worked you’d know that). We don’t have open borders. Immigration is a net economic benefit for the country. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Wow JS9, you don’t think the extraordinary cost of electricity in Australia has any impact on productivity ?

Well then you’d be grateful to renewables for helping to keep a lid on power prices (of course we know you wouldn’t because facts don’t inform your opinions).

https://aemo.com.au/newsroom/media-release/renewables-push-nem-electricity-prices-down-to-historical-levels

HiddenDragon8:19 pm 05 Aug 25

“The Commission’s package of tax recommendations, if implemented, would be revenue-neutral overall.

But according to its own modelling, it would provide a $7.4 billion investment boost, a $14.6 billion output spike and increase productivity by 0.4 per cent.”

The same PC guesstimated that a fully rolled out NDIS would have an annual cost in the low twenty billions. The gap between that and the far more costly reality is one of the main reasons for staging this fiscal truffle hunt.

To be fair to the PC, it is not simple to model the inefficiencies created by multiple incompetent governments that won’t tackle the clear rorting of the NDIS system underway. Pretty hard to model behaviour that hasn’t been seen yet, which was the case when they made estimates around the NDIS.

Sadly this will be a massive ego trip for Albanese and possibly the current Federal Governments greatest waste of valuable time and money.

Geez… the coalition did nothing about productivity for 8 years and yet you can’t even let this much needed process play out and then judge it on its merits. Says a lot.

Tom Worthington3:28 pm 05 Aug 25

A new “Vocational Degree” was recently introduced for delivery by vocational education institutions, public and private. Promotion of this, as an alternative to traditional university degrees, would boost productivity. Vocational degrees can be delivered much quicker and at lower cost, while being more relevant to work.

I wrote to the PM and Dr Leigh as Productivity Minister several months ago and then made a formal submission last week. Accessibility should be imbedded into government business processes at all levels of government overseen by a new Office of Accessibility located in the PMs portfolio thus engaging all 4.5 million Australians with a disability in the economy. Accessibility creates inclusion which supercharges Productivity

I am all for increased inclusion around accessibility and supporting increased employment for people with a disability. But the likelihood this will supercharge productivity is low – its the nature of the productivity beast sadly.

the Left and productivity are like chalk and cheese.
And that’s what happens when you stand for nothing but only imitate things poorly or bring them down directly.
The Left and destructivity – now you’re talking

What did the coalition achieve in 8 years? I’ll wait.

Multiple elections

Exactly Henry, the coalition did nothing on productivity, housing affordability, climate, energy etc…eight years of government about nothing.

Hasn’t anyone informed the government – net zero is dead.

Australia seems to be one of the few outliers that hasn’t worked it out yet.

To be honest, even though achieving “Net Zero” is admirable, I don’t think it’s a realistic goal. But a goal we should try to achieve, regardless.

Repeating ad nauseum baseless nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

Karl it does sound admirable and dreamy but the problem is the cost, the energy insecurity and economic impact.

The Germans are backtracking as quickly as possible, the USA has ditched it, India and China laugh at it and Australia is one of the few places that keep chasing the impossible dream.

Bowen will never admit the cost, hiding behind stupid statements like “renewables are cheaper” and “the sun doesn’t send a bill 🤔 “. Even the Productivity Commission fessed up this week. Renewables are very, very expensive.

Oh, Pengold’s talking energy policy again.

*grabs popcorn*

Let’s see how many times he can defeat his own arguments this time before he scampers away.

Worked out the difference between electricity and energy yet?

Or the definition of capital expenditure?

😂😂

Please pass around the popcorn 🍿 chewy. It’s the only positive contribution you’d make to any conversation 😉

@chewy14, no queue jumping, he has to work out 1 + 1 – 1 first, or any percentage.

False, Penfold, though you could always ring up any government department or the PM’s office to advise them of your brilliant knowledge. Try Archives. It suits your period.

Meanwhile, China installed more renewable energy in the last year than the rest of the world combined. Its emissions have stabilised and shown slight decline over the last couple of years, and they retain a target of net zero by 2060.

Germany remains committed to net zero, their target being 2045, five years before ours, with intermediate targets for 2030 and 2040. India is slower but retains its targets and currently ranks 5th for installed solar and 4th for installed wind.

Penfold talks rubbish as usual, almost as if he were an agent of interests inimical to Australia’s.

Axon that’s true about Chinese renewables. But did you know that last year it approved more coal power than any time in its history.

And presumably you’re blissfully unaware that last year the world used more coal than in any other year in our history.

Net zero RIP.

Congratulations on discovering growth, Penfold. Did you know that each year the world hits new records for consumption of ice cream, even China?

How much coal-fired power did China install compared with renewable? Given you will avoid answering that, here are recent figures: 47 GW of coal fired power compared with 429 GW of renewable, with the latter still accelerating.

I presume you to be largely unaware of anything but your propaganda.

Capital Retro12:48 pm 05 Aug 25

You mean a goal like trying to pick the winner in each race at Royal Randwick?

Capital Retro12:55 pm 05 Aug 25

Hope you don’t live in the Canberra areas nominated in this article chewy because you won’t be able to pop your corn with electrons:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-04/record-power-outages-canberra-winter-demand-skyrockets/105608798

Ice cream Axon, perhaps peanuts 🥜 would have been more pertinent.

China are building lots of energy types, even a thorium reactor.

And so is the 🌎. But did you know that despite 35 or so years of net zero dreaming, fossil fuels have gone from 85% of global energy to 80%.

The only net zeros on the horizon are net zero economic growth and net zero standard of living changes. The latter we aspire to. There’s been 8 quarters in a row we’ve gone backwards. How good are renewables 🥂

Pengold,
Seeing as every contribution you make is significantly negative and you’ve shown no inkling in wanting to engage in informed debate, I’m already way ahead then.

Thanks for the admission.

But you also didnt answer the questions and you’ve once again scampered off the previous threads where your obvious ignorance was called out.

Strange how that happens every time, just for you to pop up with the same discredited talking points not even a couple of days later.

Must be that memory issue of yours again Pengold.

A ratio of > 9 GW of renewable to 1 of coal. Right now, Winter 1.55 PM, AEMO shows 50% renewable generation. The world shifts, and Petrifold doesn’t.

He also never makes any attempt to deny or even demur from suggestions now and in the past that his role is propaganda, not in Australia’s interests.

Propaganda Axon ? Is that defined as anything outside of groupthink ?

The greatest statement of propaganda in the last few decades in Australia has been three simple words – “renewables are cheaper”.

Here’s some propaganda to illustrate – since the Rudd government was elected electricity prices have risen 250% in Australia in 18 years. (during the Coalition governments 2013 – 2022 they rose 3%). These are ABS CPI facts. Is that what you mean by “in Australia’s interest” ?

And how about what the banks think of net zero …. exit, stage left ….

https://sustainabilityonline.net/news/barclays-the-latest-to-withdraw-from-net-zero-banking-alliance/

And then there’s the AEMO / CSIRO GenCost report which recently confirmed that the cheapest form of energy remains …. Coal ! But of course they predict renewables will get cheaper …. at some stage in the next millenium.

https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/energy/electricity-transition/gencost

But surely it’s all propaganda. 😉

Compared the night and day is fascinating to watch how much Coal/Gas we still need to run Australia.
https://www.energymatters.com.au/energy-efficiency/australian-electricity-statistics/

At last, I have extracted a splutter of protest from Penfold, during which he continues to try desperately to mislead, thus supporting anyone’s view that his motives might be suspect.

As the ACCC said about electricity prices a couple of years ago:
“More renewable generation and lower fuel costs have brought down the wholesale price of electricity, and the Prohibiting Energy Market Misconduct laws are working because we can see the savings being passed down from generators, to retailers, to consumers.”

Given far more renewable energy was installed under the LNP than under Rudd, you shoot yourself in the foot again. The electricity index in 2022 was lower than in 2012. Good on the LNP for managing not to destroy all progress there.

Barclays did not diverge from their aim of net zero by 2050. They said the industry association was too small, and perhaps denialists like Trump loomed too large from a commercial perspective. It is all in your reference.

Your misrepresentation of the GenCost is widely known and has been covered repeatedly. Renewables and full-emissions coal were on a par in 2024, though the latter will never be built so is irrelevant. Lower-emissions coal was more expensive. You already lost that one comprehensively.

Yes, you are all propaganda and dross.

This is the new GenCost report Axon, very recent. It also acknowledged previous mistakes on nuclear. 😁

Yes Coffee-Time, that is why storage is built, just like we build dams, desalination and filtering to deal with intermittent rain. The transition is not happening overnight, just steadily happening.

Coal costs are hardly irrelevant Axon. NSW is paying big buck now to keep coal firing. fdORF THE

It didn’t make nuclear cheaper than renewables….or gas…or coal though. Keep dreaming Penfold. The Energy Generators & Retailers, for profit companies with shareholders, rejected Dutton’s nuclear plan as too expensive, too slow and too risky.

“NSW is paying big buck now to keep coal firing. fdORF THE”

Mashing the keys too fast again Pengold?

*grabs popcorn. Also again*

Strange that you seem to be repeating your previous false statements around Gencost.

You know, the report you didnt even read as your own comments clearly admitted.

School’s out !

And Penfold demonstrating yet again that he cannot win any debate on the facts. Sad.

I relied on the current report, Penfold. You mislead as usual.

For new builds, the subject of GenCost, high-emissions coal is irrelevant, low-emissions coal too expensive, wholly unnecessary, and will not be built here.

Your other comments avoid the fact renewables are cheaper, and are being built here and world wide.

“School’s out !”

Your kindergarten teachers must really be wishing you’d progress in your education so they could stop repeating you.

Maybe in a few years.

Axon you can’t be referring to the recent GenCost report as figure ES 0-2 makes it clear there is no electricity source cheaper than black coal. Perhaps you should read it and report back. Now of course they predict that renewables will be cheaper in the future though that prediction is becoming more hilarious every time we hear it.

If you really look closely at the report it suggests that right now the price of large scale nuclear is in the same ball park as solar and wind, so much for nuclear being cost-prohibitive.

As for coal being “unnecessary” well despite it remaining the larges source of electricity generation, the NSW government is now extending the life of the Eraring coal plant, to “manage reliability and price risks”. Reliability and price risks.

https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/news/nsw-government-secures-2-year-extension-to-eraring-power-station

Wow coffee time. A network in transition still needs to rely on a range of power sources. You really had to use some brain power to work that out…

“Axon you can’t be referring to the recent GenCost report as figure ES 0-2 makes it clear there is no electricity source cheaper than black coal”

It doesn’t. This is either a misunderstanding, another misrepresentation or arguably a flat out lie. Your first premise fails there your whole nonsense argument fails.

“Axon you can’t be referring to the recent GenCost report as figure ES 0-2 makes it clear there is no electricity source cheaper than black coal.”

Got to laugh at Penzero telling other people to read the report when he clearly hasn’t.

The actual numbers relating that graph are contained within the report and don’t say what you are claiming.

“If you really look closely at the report it suggests that right now the price of large scale nuclear is in the same ball park as solar and wind, so much for nuclear being cost-prohibitive”

You haven’t read it, so looking closely or not, you won’t find any such information within the report like this. Nuclear is identified as the highest cost option. As it has been consistently.

Back to school Penzero.

Remedial reading and comprehension class is up next, dont skip it like usual.

Still with the misleading garbage Penfold?

I referred precisely to the report. I also referrred to emissions intensity, which you have flatly avoided every time since you were caught out claiming “the report is not about emissions”, an item mentioned near 40 times in the report.

My answers above covered every part of the dross you are now dragging about again.
– New builds of high emissions coal was at best comparable in cost back in 2024 but will not happen anyway because it externalises costs quite apart from being higher cost in future.
– New builds of low emissions coal are expensive and will not happen.
– Any builds of nuclear are expensive, untimely, inadequate, and will not happen.

Industry and households are voting with their wallets as well as their heads. The fact you understand neither Gencost not “reliability and price risks” in the context of the inevitable transition, steadily progressing, is your failure alone.

Well Axon if you can’t read the Executive Summary then I guess the full report is a bridge too far.

But if you could make it, table B.10 is quite informative. Low costs 2024:

Coal $111
Gas $233
Wind and solar $116

Now we know there’s a few mathematical challenges for some here so let me put it in simple terms: the GenCost report found that in 2024 (last year) coal was the cheapest source of electricity. ⚡️⚡️

Pengold last week:
“CR – interestingly in the GenCost report they don’t analyse wind by itself. They call it “Solar PV and wind with firming”. “

Well Penzero if you can’t read the Executive Summary then I guess the full report is a bridge too far.

But if you could make it, table B.10 is quite informative.

Another tedious and simplistic misrepresentation of one cherry picked number which cannot be sensibly looked at in solation (unless you don’t care about the truth of course)….for example he combines wind and solar but not black & brown coal which he refers to just as “coal”. He doesn’t link the report for this reason. Clownish.

https://www.csiro.au/-/media/Energy/GenCost/GenCost-2024-25-Final_20250728.pdf

On the contrary, Penfold, I do read the report, unlike you who cherry picks while avoiding every element of my response. Chicken? Goldfish? Mutant cross? Anyway, it’s Penfold.

A quick reminder, remembering that Penfold denies none of this in his desperate rush to change the subject, the usual running away.

My answers above covered every part of the dross he is now dragging around again.
– New builds of high emissions coal were at best comparable in cost back in 2024 but will not happen anyway because it externalises actual costs quite apart from being higher cost in future.
– New builds of low emissions coal are expensive and will not happen.
– Any builds of nuclear are expensive, untimely, inadequate, and will not happen.

Industry and households are voting with their wallets as well as their heads. The fact Penfold understands neither Gencost nor “reliability and price risks” in the context of the inevitable transition, steadily progressing, is his failure alone.

Yes Axon, companies like Microsoft are certainly voting with their heads and wallets. If emissions are your thing then no doubt you support nuclear power, especially in light of the costs this report provides.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25v2d7zexo

As for cherry picking, are you now attacking the credibility of the AEMO CSIRO GenCost report ? Their analysis was peer reviewed (you guys love that term).

I do love the term “transition”. Sure there’s more costly and inefficient renewables around, but over 80% of total global energy supply is fossil fuels. Your beloved wind and solar just scrape 3%. No cherry picking there and not much transition.

https://www.iea.org/world/energy-mix

Australia is not the US, Penfold we do not have decades of taxpayer investment in nuclear to leverage.

Once again you’re cherry picking and embarrassing yourself.

Good to see that Pengold now trusts Gencost in opposition to his previous statements.

Also hilariously he discredits his own statements yet again.

His own referenced table shows Nuclear power as the most expensive option.

His own table shows wind and solar individually as far cheaper than coal.

He now agrees that grid integration costs are assessed and included in gencost.

He attempts to cherrypick a figure for combined wind and solar including forecast integration costs, so now Pengold supports both forecasting and modelling techniques used.

Hilarious stuff from the Penzero as usual.

Hey, did you see that wind power set new Australian records in July? I know you like the weather.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/wind-power-blows-away-monthly-generation-records-nationally-and-in-four-states/

Penfold continues with the firehose of falsehood.

Ever heard of Australia, Penfold? It has been covered before for you that TMI is not a new build but re-opening by a single company to feed a specific need. It had closed because it was uncompetitive, and that is the sole reference to “cost” in the BBC article, so what “costs” does the report provide? None. Penfold makes it up as he goes along.

I relied exactly on Gencost and continue to do so. Point out a single statement by me that is not in accord, Penfold. You make up whatever suits you, without regard for any sense of reason.

I think chewy14 is still waiting for you to describe the difference between electricity and energy. Try working out what renewables are as well, rather than avoiding them in the IEA report.

You define that you haven’t a clue what is transition, to be expected of one in stasis like you.

Australia installed over 8GW of renewable energy in 2024, generated near 100 GWH, adding 23 kWH of new battery capacity with other storage in progress. This continues.

P.S. New coal capacity in Australia = 0. It suits you.

Erratum: I said “generated near 100 GWH” when the correct figure is in TWH, a thousand times more.

As luck would have it Axon yes, I have heard of Australia. One hint might be the AEMO CSIRO GenCost report i’ve been quoting. Btw the “A” in AEMO stands for Australia.

Now as far as renewables go, i even was kind enough to quote the 3% which solar and wind provide in the TES analysis by the IEA (do you need a glossary ?). Btw both “Es” stand for Energy, not to be confused with electricity, which you and the Star Wars character seem a little obsessed with. In fact if you explore the IEA link, you’d be fascinated to learn that electricity makes up 21% of energy consumption.

Oh btw 23 kWH sounds remarkable. It’s enough to power one household, in Australia, for one day. Wow.

You quoted the price of “coal” as if it’s not distinguished in the table as “brown” and “black” coal. Undeniable proof that your arguments here about cherry picking, misrepresentation and that when your bad faith comments have the flaws in them pointed out you resort to childish insults or when you’re really desperate pointing out typos .

I don’t even object to the insults, it’s just that like your arguments they’re so weak.

Glad you have heard of Australia, Penfold, so why are you prattling about Three Mile Island? The usual irrelevance.

Penfold claimed “costs” in the BBC article but as usual had no comprehension of the contents, as I pointed out above and Penfold avoids as always.

Penfold claimed I had not read or had misread Gencost but as usual had no comprehension himself of the contents and is unable to meet the challenge of pointing out a single reference to it by me not in accord with that report

That 23 GW of new battery is grid storage, independent of household batteries, and it continues to grow while coal = 0.

I see Penfold is creeping up on the recognition that electricity is a component of energy consumption, while avoiding, as usual, his failure to comprehend renewables. His claim that net zero is dead is simply false, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread.

Coal = Penfold = 0

“Btw both “Es” stand for Energy, not to be confused with electricity”

So you’ve now progressed to knowing what the letters stand for but you still haven’t worked out the meanings of those words yet.

Well at least its some progress, well done on supporting Gencost’s assessment that Nuclear is the most expensive power option, whilst renewables are the cheapest.

It’s a big day for you.

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