A short message from Girt_Hindrance to the Falsies Mob

Anyone caught tagging should be made to remove their handy work with caustic solution and a toothbrush (Hillier style)!

Keijidosha said :

Defacing property without permission is vandalism.

Street artists who wish to hone their talent should find a legal canvas.

I think it is very important to seperate those two arguments.

I agree that it is vandalism, but I do think it is a bit misguided to think that the work demonstrated here is nessecerally about “honing” a skill in the traditional, visual arts practice sense. This isn’t work done to eventually go up in a gallery, nor to make “political” statements or to “move” people. It is work done for the sake of doing, for the enjoyment of others who “get” it I guess.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Hey bro, its not name calling if im just stateing dem facts.

It is name calling, and that is all you are doing.

I tried to express it to you in a way somebody who thinks tags are art would be receptive too, cleary that was to hard for you tio grasp.

You expressed it with contempt that no one else has shown you thus far. You’ve made wide, crude and damning statements with no merit nor any justification and everyone else has shown you at least a modicum of respect. Grow up.

And duh, if they are girls, then they have the smallest of penises, ones that you can even see.

You aren’t actually funny.

Just for debates sake, can you explain to me what sort of skill or artistic integrity the vandalisation in the picture shows?

Colour composition, placement, the ability for the artist to express themselves in a medium and location that others aren’t capable of. Have you ever tried to use spraypaint? Have you ever had roughly three seconds to place a picture? Thought not.

Fact is, its litteraly impossible to justify as anything but kids ruining someones wall with childish letters.

“Fact is” it is impossible to argue facts with someone who can offer none, which you’ve proven again and again. I don’t see why I should waste my time arguing with someone who cannot even begin to argue like a grown up. For all your accusations of childish meanderings, you’re the most evident example of childish behaviour in this article/thread. Again, grow up.

Tagging, street art, graffiti… the label doesn’t matter. Defacing property without permission is vandalism. Street artists who wish to hone their talent should find a legal canvas.

NicholasBurns said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Honestly, I don’t tag. I’ve no real way to prove this to you, mind you, but I don’t see any reason why I would lie about it. If I did something, I’d be more than happy to admit to it. However, given your assertion, am I talentless because i do a tag, or do I tag because I’m talentless? Because again, neither is a fact, because there are a number of people who tag who produce quality work. Just because the tags themselves do not represent the work you’d personally find appealing does not mean there is no merit in those who make them.

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

Subjective opinion asserted as absolute fact and childish name-calling. And as Dante (I believe) has said, it gives an interesting insight into your mind. The fact that you bought up small penises without there being absolutely any merit behind it (besides which, how do you know falsies mob aren’t women? Or partially comprised of them) just leads me to believe you have some fairly deep-seated insecurities that I hope one day you will seek help for, if you aren’t already.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

There were no facts this time, again, just subjective opinion asserted as facts. If you’re going to try and engage in some kind of debate or discussion, please do it in a civil manner from now on, okay? I’m giving you all the respect I can but this is absolutely typical of a frustrated riotact poster.

How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

Excellent question! But as you may or may not know, modern contemporary art is filled with works where people have asserted “I could do better”. Look at something like Blue Poles by Jackson Pollock (“It’s just paint thrown on a canvas, I could do the same thing pretty much!”), or a number of other works held in critical acclaim.

From what I understand it is not uncommon for people who tag to tag other tags. It’s like a form of communication.

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

Not at all.

Summary: Try and distinguish between the actual work itself and the method of delivery. Yes, you don’t have to like tagging, and especially yes, you do not have to agree with it’s method of delivery. I guess the two are irreversibly linked and have been for a long, long time. You could go on, but it’s one thing to criticise vandalism, and another to belittle, often with unfair, prejudicial or unfounded comparisons, people who may prefer one paticular form of art over another.

Hey bro, its not name calling if im just stateing dem facts.

I tried to express it to you in a way somebody who thinks tags are art would be receptive too, cleary that was to hard for you tio grasp.

Amazing.

And duh, if they are girls, then they have the smallest of penises, ones that you can even see.

Just for debates sake, can you explain to me what sort of skill or artistic integrity the vandalisation in the picture shows?

Fact is, its litteraly impossible to justify as anything but kids ruining someones wall with childish letters.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Honestly, I don’t tag. I’ve no real way to prove this to you, mind you, but I don’t see any reason why I would lie about it. If I did something, I’d be more than happy to admit to it. However, given your assertion, am I talentless because i do a tag, or do I tag because I’m talentless? Because again, neither is a fact, because there are a number of people who tag who produce quality work. Just because the tags themselves do not represent the work you’d personally find appealing does not mean there is no merit in those who make them.

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

Subjective opinion asserted as absolute fact and childish name-calling. And as Dante (I believe) has said, it gives an interesting insight into your mind. The fact that you bought up small penises without there being absolutely any merit behind it (besides which, how do you know falsies mob aren’t women? Or partially comprised of them) just leads me to believe you have some fairly deep-seated insecurities that I hope one day you will seek help for, if you aren’t already.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

There were no facts this time, again, just subjective opinion asserted as facts. If you’re going to try and engage in some kind of debate or discussion, please do it in a civil manner from now on, okay? I’m giving you all the respect I can but this is absolutely typical of a frustrated riotact poster.

How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

Excellent question! But as you may or may not know, modern contemporary art is filled with works where people have asserted “I could do better”. Look at something like Blue Poles by Jackson Pollock (“It’s just paint thrown on a canvas, I could do the same thing pretty much!”), or a number of other works held in critical acclaim.

From what I understand it is not uncommon for people who tag to tag other tags. It’s like a form of communication.

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

Not at all.

Summary: Try and distinguish between the actual work itself and the method of delivery. Yes, you don’t have to like tagging, and especially yes, you do not have to agree with it’s method of delivery. I guess the two are irreversibly linked and have been for a long, long time. You could go on, but it’s one thing to criticise vandalism, and another to belittle, often with unfair, prejudicial or unfounded comparisons, people who may prefer one paticular form of art over another.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A talentless tagged are we?

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

Your argument is invalid.

Seriously,
How many people could produce tags similar to what is shown in the picture?

I think the lack of talent is self evident.

But is it art? Maybe, but not any that I’d want to see.

Tagging makes you a d***head. The end.

NicholasBurns said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

That’s like saying people cannot accept the Mona Lisa as art without first accepting this poo on a plate first.

To put it simply, fact is, if you tag you have no intellect, talent or artistic view.

Nothing personal, but that initial statement/comparison proves no actual point, nor is it actually funny, relevant or intelligent. So I fail to see what it adds to the conversation besides more bile.

Subsequently, what fact? On what basis or authority should we take your assertion that people who tag “have no intellect, talent or artistic view”? See, it would be one thing to decry someone defacing public property- I don’t think anyone would disagree with you on it. But to then bring in an entirely subjective assessment of artistic expression, insist that it is fact (when it is clearly not) and make disparaging remarks about others is something else entirely and I would appreciate it if you would retract/apologise for these statements. It is crude, base and unbecoming of civilised conversation.

Even Robert Hughes, who with absolute confidence I would say is leagues more qualified to discuss the relative merits (or lack thereof) of art or art movements, stresses the importance of people to use their own judgement of whether an artwork is worthwhile. To be fair I’m quite fond of how the “muriel” tag comes out and I like the use of colour. I know it’s a simple assessment but it’s a simple work and I just like it.

Also, agreed- many forms of artistic expression start from relatively humble, simple origins, and some artists like to stay there. Up to them.

A talentless tagged are we?

Even a child could tell you the fact that taggers are talentless dumb dumbs with no brains and tiny lil dongers and have no idea what art is.

You saying you like a tag puts you on that same level. I hope you can understand those facts this time.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

That’s like saying people cannot accept the Mona Lisa as art without first accepting this poo on a plate first.

To put it simply, fact is, if you tag you have no intellect, talent or artistic view.

Nothing personal, but that initial statement/comparison proves no actual point, nor is it actually funny, relevant or intelligent. So I fail to see what it adds to the conversation besides more bile.

Subsequently, what fact? On what basis or authority should we take your assertion that people who tag “have no intellect, talent or artistic view”? See, it would be one thing to decry someone defacing public property- I don’t think anyone would disagree with you on it. But to then bring in an entirely subjective assessment of artistic expression, insist that it is fact (when it is clearly not) and make disparaging remarks about others is something else entirely and I would appreciate it if you would retract/apologise for these statements. It is crude, base and unbecoming of civilised conversation.

Even Robert Hughes, who with absolute confidence I would say is leagues more qualified to discuss the relative merits (or lack thereof) of art or art movements, stresses the importance of people to use their own judgement of whether an artwork is worthwhile. To be fair I’m quite fond of how the “muriel” tag comes out and I like the use of colour. I know it’s a simple assessment but it’s a simple work and I just like it.

Also, agreed- many forms of artistic expression start from relatively humble, simple origins, and some artists like to stay there. Up to them.

And taggers tag the dumbest places if you must tag the front of road signs is just annoying and stupid. it doesn’t do a lot for the respect of taggers Cos people just think you’re a extra stupid.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

To put it simply, fact is, if you tag you have no intellect, talent or artistic view.

You are also a criminal who gets off on destroying other people’s property. And you probably have a very small penis.

Dante said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You don’t seem to understand that if you tag, it not only means you are a complete retard, but it also proves you have zero artistic talent or integrity. Just because a street artist who is good now used to tag, does not make their old tags good art or relevant, it just means thy stopped being a retard and got some talent.

Tagging is even lower than writing on a men’s toilet wall: call this number for raw dry anal. At least some people may get some sort of satisfaction from that.

Subjective statements prove nothing but they do offer insight into the headspace of the originator. I “don’t seem to understand” your viewpoint because there’s no substance in what you’ve said… it’s pure opinion without any justification.

What you’ve said doesn’t change graffiti’s roots or the typical development of a street artist’s skillset. FYI I don’t like tagging and I’m not making excuses for the destruction of property in any way, shape or form. I’m saying that if you enjoy street art, you have to accept that tagging is a part of it; it always has and always will be. Without tagging street art today as we know it simply wouldn’t exist.

You’re entitled to add to the conversation and I encourage all to do so, but could you please do it without belittling the disabled in the process?

That’s like saying people cannot accept the Mona Lisa as art without first accepting this poo on a plate first.

To put it simply, fact is, if you tag you have no intellect, talent or artistic view.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You don’t seem to understand that if you tag, it not only means you are a complete retard, but it also proves you have zero artistic talent or integrity. Just because a street artist who is good now used to tag, does not make their old tags good art or relevant, it just means thy stopped being a retard and got some talent.

Tagging is even lower than writing on a men’s toilet wall: call this number for raw dry anal. At least some people may get some sort of satisfaction from that.

Subjective statements prove nothing but they do offer insight into the headspace of the originator. I “don’t seem to understand” your viewpoint because there’s no substance in what you’ve said… it’s pure opinion without any justification.

What you’ve said doesn’t change graffiti’s roots or the typical development of a street artist’s skillset. FYI I don’t like tagging and I’m not making excuses for the destruction of property in any way, shape or form. I’m saying that if you enjoy street art, you have to accept that tagging is a part of it; it always has and always will be. Without tagging street art today as we know it simply wouldn’t exist.

You’re entitled to add to the conversation and I encourage all to do so, but could you please do it without belittling the disabled in the process?

Dante said :

I too used to think that tags were amateur… and they usually are. The problem is trying to separate street art from graffiti.

It wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for graffiti’s roots, and those involved in street art have usually stepped up from tagging to throw ups to set pieces.

You might not like it but it’s a fundamental component of street art.

Either way, it’s eliciting an emotional response from you in one form or another, which art sets out to do.

You don’t seem to understand that if you tag, it not only means you are a complete retard, but it also proves you have zero artistic talent or integrity. Just because a street artist who is good now used to tag, does not make their old tags good art or relevant, it just means thy stopped being a retard and got some talent.

Tagging is even lower than writing on a men’s toilet wall: call this number for raw dry anal. At least some people may get some sort of satisfaction from that.

I too used to think that tags were amateur… and they usually are. The problem is trying to separate street art from graffiti.

It wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for graffiti’s roots, and those involved in street art have usually stepped up from tagging to throw ups to set pieces.

You might not like it but it’s a fundamental component of street art.

Either way, it’s eliciting an emotional response from you in one form or another, which art sets out to do.

The stuff linked to by Abyss is artistic, highly talented stuff.

The stuff by the “false idols” mob is amateur scrawling. They can’t do straight lines in their “tags” let alone approach the skill shown in the Abyss stuff. Street art can be truly great and there are many alleys in Melbourne that are superb. However, the false idols ‘work’ is just crap.

Danny Sebastian Wild ran something called the the “‘False Idols Performance’ – Canberra Contemporary Art Space – 18th July 2011”
http://www.dannysebastianwild.com/page/cv.html

Danny is part of a group called “ZonkVision” who sell on their Website a magazine called “Why did you use that” http://zonkvision.bigcartel.com/product/why-did-you-use-that-magazine

This magazine contains art by “Sixte”.

I don’t think it’s too far a stretch of the imagination to believe that there is some connection between “False Idols” & “Falsie’s Mob”.

Dante said :

astrojax said :

what’s a ‘falsies mob’ anyway? rabid kangaroos, mebbe? and how, from simply vandalising ‘muriel’ on walls does anyone know they (and how do we know it is ‘they’?) have this name?

If you follow the link in the article it goes to falsiesmob.tumblr.com which seems to be their image blog.

Using my astounding powers of deduction, I would suggest that this stands for False Idols which you can see labelled next to many of their pieces.

i, too, possess deductive powers, dante – but ‘falsies mob’ is different from ‘false idols’ (in case you hadn’t realised). the tumblr page doesn’t shed much light on the details of the perpetrators, certainly not to the extent of the op. i think i’ll await an more reasoned answer, but thanks for the consideration.

Dante said :

LSWCHP said :

Dimwitted talentless arsehats whose highest artistic achievement is spray painting crap on the walls of public toilets and other people’s property.

I have to disagree.

http://daddyissues.com.au/2012/uncategorized/artist-feature-abyss-607/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59421896@N05/6937992933/

Even BMA disagrees.

http://www.bmamag.com/articles/exhibitionist/20120703-abyss-607/

If they are so good then why are they doing tags? If you are a tagger, you are litterally the most creatively bankrupt and talentless pos.

astrojax said :

what’s a ‘falsies mob’ anyway? rabid kangaroos, mebbe? and how, from simply vandalising ‘muriel’ on walls does anyone know they (and how do we know it is ‘they’?) have this name?

If you follow the link in the article it goes to falsiesmob.tumblr.com which seems to be their image blog.

Using my astounding powers of deduction, I would suggest that this stands for False Idols which you can see labelled next to many of their pieces.

astrojax said :

what’s a ‘falsies mob’ anyway? rabid kangaroos, mebbe? and how, from simply vandalising ‘muriel’ on walls does anyone know they (and how do we know it is ‘they’?) have this name?

‘They’ were probably trying to a do a mural, set a low standard but failed to achieve it.

what’s a ‘falsies mob’ anyway? rabid kangaroos, mebbe? and how, from simply vandalising ‘muriel’ on walls does anyone know they (and how do we know it is ‘they’?) have this name?

LSWCHP said :

Dimwitted talentless arsehats whose highest artistic achievement is spray painting crap on the walls of public toilets and other people’s property.

I have to disagree.

http://daddyissues.com.au/2012/uncategorized/artist-feature-abyss-607/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59421896@N05/6937992933/

Even BMA disagrees.

http://www.bmamag.com/articles/exhibitionist/20120703-abyss-607/

It is the basic lack of respect for other people’s property that shits me. If they have so much time on their hands and are so rich that they don’t need to get a job… let them buy their own building, deface it in their own manner, devalue the building and throw their own money away.
It is not just children in the dark… recently in broad daylight, someone who was old enough to have a job, pulled out a couple of sharpies and started defacing a freshly painted building whilst there were people standing around talking. I relieved him of the sharpies and encouraged him to be on his way. He crossed the road, pulled out a third sharpie and started defacing another building, so I had to give him further encouragement to be on his way. And yes, the scribble was the most talentless crap I’ve seen. What is it that makes them think they are artists and what makes them think they have the right to mess with the property of others?

Dimwitted talentless arsehats whose highest artistic achievement is spray painting crap on the walls of public toilets and other people’s property.

It makes things ugly. I have no respect for them. I wish they would stop.

I don’t think Banksy’s got much to be jealous of.

Girt_Hindrance said :

Hey guys, while I appreciate that giving it further attention only propagates this cr@p, I’m basically interested in seeing whether others agreed with my view of it in the efforts to show opposition to this behaviour.
My issue is that it looks like shite, it’s talentless and destructive, and contributes nothing.
Why are these people running around at night with spray cans? I bet they’re not employed. They certainly appreciate that it is illegal, otherwise they’d do it in the daylight hours.
I’d be happy to see a creative mural or something thoughtful but all this represents is selfish vandalism.

Yeah, that. I don’t care how witty or intelligent it is, it’s messy and it’s not your f$&@ing wall. There’s a place for nonsensical rambling. It’s called the Internet.

plus what these pos people don’t think about is how much it costs to remove there sh1t

tnpf said :

So. .you’re against the spray-paint on the wall? Why?

Cant speak for op but id imagine its something along the lines of my 4 year old could do more talented sribbles.

its ugly. I am 100% for street art, but this certyainly is not it.

Hey guys, while I appreciate that giving it further attention only propagates this cr@p, I’m basically interested in seeing whether others agreed with my view of it in the efforts to show opposition to this behaviour.
My issue is that it looks like shite, it’s talentless and destructive, and contributes nothing.
Why are these people running around at night with spray cans? I bet they’re not employed. They certainly appreciate that it is illegal, otherwise they’d do it in the daylight hours.
I’d be happy to see a creative mural or something thoughtful but all this represents is selfish vandalism.

So. .you’re against the spray-paint on the wall? Why?

I agree, these ‘people’ need to find something more productive to do with their time. However, maybe we shouldn’t be continuing to give them this media publicity for their ‘work’?