Armoured rescue vehicle deployed at the Tent Embassy

When you are on their land/place I suggest you respect the laws of the three groups you mentioned. Its not that hard. Ever had a priest punch you?

whitelaughter said :

The Antichrist said :

I could be wrong, but something tells me that the local Pitjantjatjara people were calling it Uluru for oh, maybe just a few thousand years before that.

Extremely unlikely – linguistic drift means a few centuries tops; assuming that they were the tribe in possession at the time (I don’t have the background info on the Arrernte language to judge whether there’s any truth to the claim that the Rock was given to the wrong tribe, so I’ll settle for pointing out that the dispute exists and leave it at that).

Not so, Whitelaughter. The land and Uluru belong to theUluru-Kata Tjuta Aboriginal Land Trust who hold it on behalf of the Anangu traditional owners. For the land to have been returned to them under the Aboriginal Land Rights Act they would need to have proved that they are the owners according to Aboriginal law and tradition. As far as the law, the Central Land Council, and traditional owners are concerned, ownership of Uluru is undisputed and non-controversial.

According to Anangu custom and tradition – which has been recognised by the law, hence the granting of the land – the Anangu have been at Uluru since creation. The word “Uluru” has no other meaning and, according to the Anangu, is the name the rock has had since creation.

Kerehona said :

When the Ngnnawal People went into the camp to protest, that’s their business. It’s not for us to comment

Not only is it our right to comment on things that happen in our community, I’d go so far as to say it’s our responsibility – if not to comment then at least to be aware and to have an opinion. What makes the activities of one group of people or another taboo?

Kerehona said :

we should just be quiet just out of respect.

For someone who throws the racist epithet around, you certainly make some comments that seem very akin to racism.

Respect? For what? Just because they’re Aborigines? Do I also have to respect the activities of Catholics just because they’re Catholics, or respect bikies just because they’re bikies?

We can respect people or groups for their actions. and we can respect those actions, but to suggest that we should respect people simply because of their membership of a group is ludicrous.

We can and should make every effort to right wrongs and injustices done to individuals or groups, but that’s respect for the principles of justice. People have to earn respect, it’s not something that’s just due to them.

And just in case you’re tempted – I have no idea who those people are or what they did. It’s entirely possible that, if I knew, I’d respect them or their actions. But because I don’t know, I have no basis for judgement one way or the other, do I?

Mysteryman said :

Kerehona said :

oh, its the Gollywog lovers – again.

No threats this time?

Maybe his brother’s on holidays.

Mysteryman said :

I’m not sure why Timmeh decided to quote me but it should be noted that I’m in no way affiliated with, or representative of, Timeeh’s comment.

Crap…. I just read back through that, my spelling is Atrocious. I wouldn’t want to be affiliated with me either. Sorry if you thought that’s what i was aiming for…

timeeh said :

Mysteryman said :

I find it offensive that the application of the law differs depending on the race of those it’s applied to.

I think you’l find thats a racist comment, i mean if your white, it is….. I was only out the front of the emabassy 2 weeks ago, with a couple i had met overseas how happened to be travelling through Aus and wanted to see the sights of canberra. So i took them to varoius places last of which was Old parliment house, then as we were driving through the back of the car park i remembered about this Great Tent embassy, so i mentioned to the couple that they were about to see canberras most beautiful and scenic embassy, they seemed very suprised to see that i was taking the piss….. Anyway whilst viewing this pristine embassy fron the steps of old parliment, a gentleman standing beside pipped up and asked me what a redfern was, and i told him it was all about the “Red ferns” which he seemed to believe…. Anyway he then asked why the embassy was there, and why had no-one had i removed, so i told him that it wold be racsist, because their aboriginals, to which he replied he was from W.A.and he explained how they treat aboriginals differently over there and he seemed to think that if it was set up in W.A it would be bulldozed in a matter of minutes… Anyway lets hope the embassy saves these endangered redfren’s, and the sovereignty’s

I’m not sure why Timmeh decided to quote me but it should be noted that I’m in no way affiliated with, or representative of, Timeeh’s comment.

Mysteryman said :

I find it offensive that the application of the law differs depending on the race of those it’s applied to.

I think you’l find thats a racist comment, i mean if your white, it is….. I was only out the front of the emabassy 2 weeks ago, with a couple i had met overseas how happened to be travelling through Aus and wanted to see the sights of canberra. So i took them to varoius places last of which was Old parliment house, then as we were driving through the back of the car park i remembered about this Great Tent embassy, so i mentioned to the couple that they were about to see canberras most beautiful and scenic embassy, they seemed very suprised to see that i was taking the piss….. Anyway whilst viewing this pristine embassy fron the steps of old parliment, a gentleman standing beside pipped up and asked me what a redfern was, and i told him it was all about the “Red ferns” which he seemed to believe…. Anyway he then asked why the embassy was there, and why had no-one had i removed, so i told him that it wold be racsist, because their aboriginals, to which he replied he was from W.A.and he explained how they treat aboriginals differently over there and he seemed to think that if it was set up in W.A it would be bulldozed in a matter of minutes… Anyway lets hope the embassy saves these endangered redfren’s, and the sovereignty’s

Kerehona said :

When the Ngnnawal People went into the camp to protest, that’s their business. It’s not for us to comment – we should just be quiet just out of respect.

I think you should contact the Pope and nominate them all for sainthood.

Kerehona said :

Mysteryman said :

Kerehona said :

oh, its the Gollywog lovers – again.

No threats this time?

Well, I think I was out of order saying that, but I find it funny that you raise it – it must have pushed your buttons?
But it is ironic that those who the comment was intended, still continue to comments about me making ‘threats’.

I was bringing it up because people who resort those types of comments to make an argument probably shouldn’t be criticising the rest of us for how we supposedly treat people. I’ll knock it off, though.

I watched your video, by the way. Nicely made.

EJ I thought you where doing dirty laundry on the Irony cycle. Now I find out your just playing cards. I can see your hand.

fgzk said :

Well seeing as most of you seem confused about history and culture how about we keep it simple. Lets stick to the 180 odd years of culture and history in Canberra we know about. Lets call it white settlement. In that time, off the top of my head, we had the South African camp site, French nuclear testing camp site, ADEX camp site and there will be others. Whilst the issues stayed so did the campers. Its a bit like when the first settlers came and camped on the local Corroboree place and decided it would make a good sheep station. They stayed too.

+1

Mysteryman said :

Kerehona said :

oh, its the Gollywog lovers – again.

No threats this time?

Well, I think I was out of order saying that, but I find it funny that you raise it – it must have pushed your buttons?
But it is ironic that those who the comment was intended, still continue to comments about me making ‘threats’.

Well seeing as most of you seem confused about history and culture how about we keep it simple. Lets stick to the 180 odd years of culture and history in Canberra we know about. Lets call it white settlement. In that time, off the top of my head, we had the South African camp site, French nuclear testing camp site, ADEX camp site and there will be others. Whilst the issues stayed so did the campers. Its a bit like when the first settlers came and camped on the local Corroboree place and decided it would make a good sheep station. They stayed too.

When the Ngnnawal People went into the camp to protest, that’s their business. It’s not for us to comment – we should just be quiet just out of respect.
I really think it would do nothing for reconciliation to bulldoze the tent embassy and I believe the original intention and the fight of the founding members should be preserved, no matter who decides to visit the place.
It’s not about one or two dickheads camping there is it? Is it more deeper-seeded than that is it?

If I may, I made a short film…it might soften your perspective if you give it a chance.

http://region.com.au/canberra-film-makes-inside-film-awards/54758

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
…(ravings snipped)… I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

Just because you’re offended, doesn’t mean you’re right.

I think you tacitly admit that, by pulling out the racism card at the end. What’s really racist is saying that you can’t criticise Aboriginals, because they’re Aboriginal.

Kerehona said :

oh, its the Gollywog lovers – again.

No threats this time?

oh, its the Gollywog lovers – again.

Pork Hunt said :

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

Agree with Pork Hunt, may I add that sometime last year I saw an interview on ABC’s 7:30 Report, where they had an interview with some prominent aboriginals, and they said that most aboriginals do NOT support those who stay at the embassy now, as relevance had been lost, and they specifically said that those who reside at the Tent embassy were “leeches”.
So would Kerehona call those elders racist too? 🙂

How on earth does the Aboriginal tent embassy represent pride?
Are they proud to live in a shanty town that is barely tolerated by the authorities ?
Others may wish to comment on who the ‘authorities’ are.
Peoples of the Commonwealth have High Commissions as opposed to Embassies in Australia. I can only conclude that Aboriginals are not part of the Commonwealth.
There have been a number of blues between different groups on site, so hardly uniting.

Skyring said :

Stevian said :

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

Always? Who was here first?

If you look at the records, Ayers Rock came long before Uluru.

Please, pretty please, with sugar on top, show me where I can find these records.

The Antichrist said :

I could be wrong, but something tells me that the local Pitjantjatjara people were calling it Uluru for oh, maybe just a few thousand years before that.

Extremely unlikely – linguistic drift means a few centuries tops; assuming that they were the tribe in possession at the time (I don’t have the background info on the Arrernte language to judge whether there’s any truth to the claim that the Rock was given to the wrong tribe, so I’ll settle for pointing out that the dispute exists and leave it at that).

It’s time the government showed some intestinal fortitude and moved them on.

The local Ngunnawal people don’t support the embassy either – From 2002 – “Local Ngunnawal tribe elders walked onto the grounds in front of the Old Parliament House around midday, put out a symbolic fire kept burning by the protesters and began tearing down the tents and makeshift huts that made up the site. One Ngunnawal elder, Matilda House, said the protest “had lost its way” and that its residents were just harassing tourists.

“They have turned it into a come-what-may, caravan camping place,” she said.”

I’d like to see Kerehona go and speak to the Ngunnawal and accuse them of being racist for wanting to tear it down.

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

Yes. And I think it’s time for someone to mention Hitler.

Diggety said :

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

So, you are supporting inequality in the application of law based on race… And you call others racist?

Spectacular logic there, Kerehona. You wouldn’t vote for the Greens by any chance, would you?

Good point.

I find it offensive that the application of the law differs depending on the race of those it’s applied to.

Better be careful though… I wouldn’t want Kerehona to sick her brother onto us. I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for thugs to hide.

Maybe we need to have a RiotAct tent embassy, then when we get forcefully removed, sue for discrimination. Our ancestors founded ACT in 1911 and we should have the right to represent them by camping wherever we like, perhaps on Kerehona’s front lawn.

Skyring said :

If you look at the records, Ayers Rock came long before Uluru.

Bwahahaaaaaaaahaaa!

Straight to the top of the class.

Armoured Rescue Vehicle?

Here I was thinking it was an Armoured assault vehicle, more then a rescue vehicle.

Skyring said :

If you look at the records, Ayers Rock came long before Uluru

do you mean those records which indicate that it was named Ayers Rock in 1873 ?

I could be wrong, but something tells me that the local Pitjantjatjara people were calling it Uluru for oh, maybe just a few thousand years before that.

The Antichrist said :

Kerehona said :

I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide

yes, they are hiding by posting on a public forum *facepalm*

I’ve got a feeling your name isn’t Antichrist, The. Is this where the facepalm comes in?

The Antichrist said :

Kramer got it right – only whitefellahs can be racist.

You mean the racist guy?

Stevian said :

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

Always? Who was here first?

If you look at the records, Ayers Rock came long before Uluru.

US Marine said :

“In America we don’t tolerate that kind of crap, Sir!”

Kerehona said :

I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide

yes, they are hiding by posting on a public forum *facepalm*

Kramer got it right – only whitefellahs can be racist.

Stevian said :

The American Embassy is American soil (in the sense of sovereign territory, though they may have imported the sod as well)

No it isn’t. It is a misconception that Embassies are the soverign territory of the sending state. Not true. Actually there is a good QI episode where they discuss that…can’t remember which one. Vienna Convention (etc etc) rules state something along the lines of the receiving states’ police and other services cannot enter without approval from the sending state. Sometimes that request could take a long time to be transmitted if it was a dictator fleeing from an angry mob to a friendly embassy! 🙂 But other times the Embassy staff could say to the police “come on in and remove these tent-placing dickheads immediately”.

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

How on earth does the Aboriginal tent embassy represent pride?
Are they proud to live in a shanty town that is barely tolerated by the authorities ?
Others may wish to comment on who the ‘authorities’ are.
Peoples of the Commonwealth have High Commissions as opposed to Embassies in Australia. I can only conclude that Aboriginals are not part of the Commonwealth.
There have been a number of blues between different groups on site, so hardly uniting.

Kerehona said :

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

So, you are supporting inequality in the application of law based on race… And you call others racist?

Spectacular logic there, Kerehona. You wouldn’t vote for the Greens by any chance, would you?

Thoroughly Smashed said :

I wonder if we’d encounter some kind of singularity if someone managed to shoehorn on-road cycling and the Aboriginal Tent Embassy into the same thread?

Just wonderful. Thanks.

Bulldozing the tent embassy is an extremely offensive comment to make.
The occupants are not camping there for the fun of it…they are there to represent all those who founded the embassy in the 70’s who needed to somehow create a uniting symbol of Aboriginal Pride.
Do you realy want to take this away from them too?
I am discovering that the RiotAct is a fantastic space for racists to hide.

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

Do you need to be talked through it or do you now see where you went wrong with this?

Jim Jones said :

Best unintentional idocy EVA!!!

Nice, Jim.

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

BWAAA HA HA AHAHA HAHA HAHAHA HA

Best unintentional idocy EVA!!!

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

“Was for a little while isnt now” I think is what you meant to say?

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

Always? Who was here first?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

The American Embassy is American soil (in the sense of sovereign territory, though they may have imported the sod as well)

Waiting For Godot said :

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

*facepalm* are you really that thick?

I wonder if we’d encounter some kind of singularity if someone managed to shoehorn on-road cycling and the Aboriginal Tent Embassy into the same thread?

andym said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

It is NOT “Uluru”, it is Ayers Rock. Always was, always will be.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

The stupidity in your post made it hard to understand your point. So I gave up trying.

If you couldn’t understand the point, I have given you too much credit in the past.

CSRI, if you really need to be your usual hilarious self, make sure the facetiousness doesn’t mask any point you’d like to make.

Or just read this.

There are three or four cars parked there that never get tickets. Might start parking there for work myself!

fgzk said :

Sure they do Chewy. You just have to negotiate and have some back bone. Your arguing reverse privilege/######. Lame.

Your argument seems persuasive. Thanks for convincing me.

BTW, does reverse privilege have something to do with reverse vampires?

fgzk said :

Whats stopping you, off you go, take your tent. Wouldn’t want you to feel left out.

Mysteryman said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Agreed.

& make sure you drop all of us a line so we can bring some popcorn & deck chairs.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

+1 – Pitch your tent at the base of Uluru and see how long you last!

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

The stupidity in your post made it hard to understand your point. So I gave up trying.

If you couldn’t understand the point, I have given you too much credit in the past.

It’ll be interesting to find out if the people who were mugged were tourists or just walking by, or involved in some way with the squatters. There’s been reports of threatening behaviour by the squatters there over the years. How I wish the government would stop this bending over backwards crap and kick them out. The whole thing is so stupid.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

The stupidity in your post made it hard to understand your point. So I gave up trying.

Sure they do Chewy. You just have to negotiate and have some back bone. Your arguing reverse privilege/######. Lame.

fgzk said :

Whats stopping you

The Police.

Haven’t you been watching the Occupy protests?

The majority of the population don’t get to expropriate public land.

Whats stopping you, off you go, take your tent. Wouldn’t want you to feel left out.

Mysteryman said :

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Agreed.

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Couldn’t agree more. Imagine my outrage when I was told I was not allowed to sleep at the American Embassy, I mean if foreigners are allowed to sleep in the palatial building why, as a ‘Troo Aussie’ TM, aren’t I. Bloody unAustralian it is.

Diggety said :

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

Agreed.

Either we’re all allowed to camp there, or no one is.

fgzk said :

Soooooooooooooo predictable.

+1

Dilandach said :

bulldoze it.

+1

Soooooooooooooo predictable.

Do they even get any official visits there?

…did they ever?

If not, bulldoze it.

Surely it is time to clear the area and ban camping there (for all people regardless of their race).