Chasing the Mazdas of Tuggeranong

KeenGolfer said :

Cheap said :

One needs only look at the fatality rates for car chases in the US to see how wrong you are

Do you know the figures from US pursuit fatalties or is that just plucked out of thin air?

Whilst the data is very hard to determine due to different jurisdictions and recording of pursuits and incidents, data suggests that < 0.1% of pursuits in Australia end in a fatality and likely < 0.3% of USA pursuits end in a fatality.

There are around 300 deaths from pursuits in the USA every year, and considering there are likely to be 100,000 pursuits or more (no figures are available) their figures aren't so bad IMO. Australia has up to 10,000 pursuits every year, but again figures are hard to obtain. There is no doubt that US police have a lot more leniency in their pursuit policies than Aus police, but I'm not sure that is reflected in the figures.

I sure do know the figures, 20-40% of US chases end in injury. I can’t remember the injury statistics for Australia but I know they’re a lot less.

I haven’t seen the particular stats that you’re referring to, but I don’t think triple the fatalities per 100,000 is anything to be laughed at.

Cheap said :

One needs only look at the fatality rates for car chases in the US to see how wrong you are

Do you know the figures from US pursuit fatalties or is that just plucked out of thin air?

Whilst the data is very hard to determine due to different jurisdictions and recording of pursuits and incidents, data suggests that < 0.1% of pursuits in Australia end in a fatality and likely < 0.3% of USA pursuits end in a fatality.

There are around 300 deaths from pursuits in the USA every year, and considering there are likely to be 100,000 pursuits or more (no figures are available) their figures aren't so bad IMO. Australia has up to 10,000 pursuits every year, but again figures are hard to obtain. There is no doubt that US police have a lot more leniency in their pursuit policies than Aus police, but I'm not sure that is reflected in the figures.

HenryBG said :

Cheap said :

Rhino, the point is that if they continued the chase then the 121 driver would keep driving on the wrong side of the road which could result in a fatality. It’s easier to let him get away for now and potentially spare a human life.

And the *real* point missed by the brain-dead do-gooder leftie scumbag crimlovers is: by letting crims know that they can get away if they just do something dangerous, there will be more fatalities caused by more crims doing something dangerous. And more crims getting away to do more dangerous things without getting caught. Ad infinitum.

As for people blaming the police when a scumbag car thief kills somebody – essentially these complainers are all a bunch of crims themselves. Somebody should search their houses and arrest them all for possession of drugs and stolen property.

One needs only look at the fatality rates for car chases in the US to see how wrong you are

Antagonist said :

davo101 said :

What is it about Mazda 121s? Last time they only managed to get to 140 but the press release doesn’t say which of the two vehicles made it to 162. Can you get a Bravo up to that kind of speed?

I call BS on the ability of either car to reach 162 km/h. My money is on the cops reaching this speed.

A simple google search:

1985 Mazda 121 1.1 max speed is 149km/h
1985 Mazda 121 1.3 16v max speed is 175km/h
1991 Mazda 121 GLX max speed is 156km/h

Top speed for a Mazda Bravo (1998 – 2006) was a little more difficult to find, but I found some:

2004 B2500 2.5TD 84bhp max speed 140km/h
2004 B2500 2.5TD 109bhp max speed 146km/h

More searching revealed that the max speed for a Mazda Bravo is 115mph (185km/h).

What sort of moron condones police driving on the wrong side of the road? What exactly were they supposed to do?
It’s not a ideal outcome, but it’s better than a head on collision with a innocent family.

The tech is available, gps emitters fired from a rifle. Stick it to a car and you know where they are and can guess where they are headed.

Or lol, the old classic some bell end suggested, a desert eagle or 50 cal to the engine block ?_?

Cheap said :

Rhino, the point is that if they continued the chase then the 121 driver would keep driving on the wrong side of the road which could result in a fatality. It’s easier to let him get away for now and potentially spare a human life.

And the *real* point missed by the brain-dead do-gooder leftie scumbag crimlovers is: by letting crims know that they can get away if they just do something dangerous, there will be more fatalities caused by more crims doing something dangerous. And more crims getting away to do more dangerous things without getting caught. Ad infinitum.

As for people blaming the police when a scumbag car thief kills somebody – essentially these complainers are all a bunch of crims themselves. Somebody should search their houses and arrest them all for possession of drugs and stolen property.

rhino said :

I don’t see how the 121 could get away. They have a fifth of the power of a standard commodore even. I honestly can’t quite picture the scenario where he got away. If he went up the wrong side of the road, couldn’t they follow in the same direction on the correct side of the road? Surely he wouldn’t be too far away from them at any point given the power difference between the cars. Or is it just in their procedures to break off pursuit whenever anything dangerous is done by the other driver? And if this is the case, then going 82kph over the limit must not be considered dangerous by the police, but going up the wrong side of the road is?

I also second the fact that the 121 can definintely not get to 162kph unless there is a steep downhill involved, which there aren’t any around there. I suspect that the police were using their own speedo to read off that number and that would have been while they were gaining on the 121 significantly (which in theory would have been the whole time, except when they slow down around corners and the 121 would not)

http://www.police.act.gov.au/roads-and-traffic/urgent-duty-driving-and-pursuits

Rhino, the point is that if they continued the chase then the 121 driver would keep driving on the wrong side of the road which could result in a fatality. It’s easier to let him get away for now and potentially spare a human life.

I don’t see how the 121 could get away. They have a fifth of the power of a standard commodore even. I honestly can’t quite picture the scenario where he got away. If he went up the wrong side of the road, couldn’t they follow in the same direction on the correct side of the road? Surely he wouldn’t be too far away from them at any point given the power difference between the cars. Or is it just in their procedures to break off pursuit whenever anything dangerous is done by the other driver? And if this is the case, then going 82kph over the limit must not be considered dangerous by the police, but going up the wrong side of the road is?

I also second the fact that the 121 can definintely not get to 162kph unless there is a steep downhill involved, which there aren’t any around there. I suspect that the police were using their own speedo to read off that number and that would have been while they were gaining on the 121 significantly (which in theory would have been the whole time, except when they slow down around corners and the 121 would not)

MissChief said :

The attitude of “do something dangerous and the police will have to stop chasing you”, is not a new one. Nor is, “if police do not discontinue the chase after something dangerous, they will be blamed for anything that happens after that point”. Refer http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/specials/ipromise/crash-killer-second-time-driving-stolen-car/story-fn55yw9h-1225843520807

While that argument can be made, the families of the victims seem to have a hostile and negative view of police, as evidenced by the way they blame them entirely for the accident. It’s not like Mully was just going around minding his own business. Webb’s family doesn’t seem to think that riding in a stolen car was a poor choice for Skye, either, it’s all the fault of the po-po according to them.