Kangaroo Protesters - Their opinions in their own words

Maelinar, you have problems. Seek help, please. I’d respond more to the ridiculousness of your post, but that would draw this thread into somewhere no-one wants it to go.

Anyway, how are the kangaroos going to kill off native species in three months when they’ve been there for years? Do people think before they type here?

All: I kind of remember a time when tap wasn’t so bad, then WMD blew in and he/she lost the plot bigtime. Massive uptake in posting between the two of them, and those oh-so-complimentary posts that are further up their own asses than the subject of the gay marriage thread.

The trajectory of each thread now seems to downgrade into some kind of through-the-computer contract to go out and research information at the behest of those two prats, and a series of unanswered personal questions that needs to be checked off.

Silly commentary aside, which is usually incorporated into some kind of misunderstood weirdism response anyway, any valid contrary notes are set aside and the unanswered personal question book brought out – smothering what we’d usually call discussion. That’s if they even bothered to read your post in the first place.

I notified them they were trolls a while ago, to be counter-accused of being a troll myself. At risk of being perceived as one myself, for engaging them, a single weeks not talking to them has revealed the truth of the matter.

A period of time ago, I noted that I could see a person on a water tower overlooking a university campus, contemplating life with a high-powered rifle. I’m modifying that statement to I can see two people (goths or emo’s, I’m not sure what they’re called these days) with long overcoats and pipebombs.

Go take some hostages WMD and Tap. Your life of serving customers at McDonalds with your Arts degree between you can wait.

Remember the rules, I’m gonna talk at you, or about you, but this isn’t a 2 way discussion any longer, all correspondence will be ignored. Keep on flapping though, most other rioters have joined in the game now and we are all finding it funny. Ha-ha funny.

I look forward to continuing watching the two of you floundering from your ill-formed positions. I’m beginning to think you two are the next canards from the Samuel Gordon-Stewart branch of whatever faculty it is at UC.

el said :

It’s unlikely because Paul McCartney, just like god, hates you.

That brought tears to my eyes… lol

imhotep, I agree with everything you’re saying – except perhaps the “…living in tune with their environment…” lefty-green touchy feely bullsh!t. I’m just having a dig (albeit badly typed and poorly presented) at vg ’cause he’s a fuktard.

Ingee, I’m not sure about the purpose of your rant, but put me down as one who is sick of opportunistic protests by career ‘aborigines’ like Isobel Coe, who appear to believe they have the moral authority to speak on behalf of an entire culture.

Aborigines were the most successful culture in man’s history, in terms of longevity at least.

They achieved this by living in tune with their environment. They did not hesitate to kill animals or modify their environment to look after their country and themselves. Not sure about this district, but in the Darling country they would even ‘cull’ their newborn children in a bad drought.

I don’t believe they were cruel, but nature often is. This cull is about looking after country. Isobel Coe is about looking after herself.

All this bullsheeit over a few kangaroos! lmao

There are 20-80,000,000 of the bloody things, beautiful animals that they are, in Oz at any one time. What a ridiculous waste of attention on a non-issue.

It’s unlikely because Paul McCartney, just like god, hates you.

Are you kidding me? I have to cite that the native wildlife wouldn’t be destroyed if the kangaroos stayed for another couple of months?

Weak man. You do realise what you are now argueing right? That they had to do the culling now and not in August because the native species might have died inbetween times?

But fine ill look into it.

I wont ask you to cite why its unlikely the money could be raised privately… dont worry about it. Im ok with plausibles when speaking i hypothetical.

I would go for the later …….

Cite? Or just your useless (wrong) opinion again?

Andy pandy: Some people may be forgetting, however I am not one of them. The couple of extra months it would have taken to find out whether or not the money could have been raised privately for the trial relocation would not have been long enough to destroy the native species endangered.

And yes, this has been discussed many times. I would suggest you practice your reading, but that would be rude.

Kangaroo whales? Now that is something I’d like see!

Very good point

aren’t some people forgeting the original reason for the cull was the damage that was being done to the habitat of endangered species on the site, this may have something to do with not waiting for funds for relocation.
The current climatic conditions I would think would nessecitate quick action. There are a lot more living things in the world than kangaroos whales and pandas.
The government probably sought informed advice rather than celebrity advice to reach its conclusions.
This may or may not have been brought up previously but the drivel that has been written here by some persons made it very hard to read thru. I would also suggest the debating skills of a certain person fall well short of the level he thinks they are at, there are clubs and groups where he might go to improve them.

Allow me to translate as it will bring some clarity to this debate:

Let me clarify that by saying that I have respect for the culture and the history that the Aboriginal people have with this country, but a lot of this mythology is exactly that, myths.

Isabel Coe has less attachment to the ACT than I do, as my family has been here a hell of a lot longer. She’s a blow in from whatever area suits her. She was once Ngunnawal but now bats for Wiradjuri, same for Matilda House. Funnily enough last time I saw Matilda House officiate somewhere guess what she was wearing, wouldn’t have been a kangaroo skin coat would it?

Real Aboriginals with genuine attachments to their culture and history are embarrassed by these people

Let me make my profound ignorance quite clear by saying that I have no idea why it trot out this bullsh!t – perhaps it’s because I’m too stupid to get a handle on the culture and the history of Aboriginal people and their connection with country – that’s why I’ll fall back on dumb-ass populisim by introducing the idea of “mythology” in an attempt to try and denigrate legitimate values systems that are diferent from mine and the other fuked up little monkeys that I’m trying to impress.

To start with I’m going to try and justify my miserable existence in this region as being on par with others, now i’ll intoduce my family as if they were some how relevant. The, because I have no idea how to address the message that others bring to the debate, I’ll try to question their right to speak. Revealing how little I understand about Aboriginal culture I’l sprout off some tard bullshit about the Ngunnawal and Wiradjuri, and then randomly introduce Matilda House. Drifting off from the bizzare to the banal I’ll now intoduce – using the cleaver vehicle of sarcasm, the idea that Aboriginal people might wear a kangaroo skin coat….

Real peopel with genuine ideas to express about Aboriginal culture and history are embarrassed by the random ill-informed bullsh!t sprouted off by fuktards like vg.

Another point that has been raised several times but what’ll one more hurt, is that the government had nothing to lose through waiting. Remember my question about why shouldn’t the government wait? Thats what that was about. So nothing to lose through waiting, and something to gain (a more popular decision) through waiting. So they should have waited.

Oh the money! No I never said that. I said it was plausible, you agreed. We agreed. What I said that I have no opinion on the likliness or unlikliness of the money being raised because I don’t have any reason to sway my opinion one way or another. But to answer your question, the government should have waited because raising the money was plausible.

The joeys.

El: What wasn’t likely to be raised?

Ari: Suck my balls. Enough said.

Tap, you are a loon.

Enough said.

But Tap, you agreed with me earlier that it wasn’t likely to be raised, so why bother waiting?

the protester said $250,000, actually

DMD: Yeah the lowest estimate ive heard is $600,000 the highest is 3.5 million. I’ve just been working with the highest estimate because I don’t know what it would actually cost and the raising of the money is plausible even if it is 3.5, so i might as well cut off the ‘you’re estimates are too low’ argument before it starts. But true it could be substantially cheaper than 3.5 million.

*adminstered with some cost, sorry.

I’m also adding that it would not have had to be 3.5 million for them to raise, Tap. Independent assessments aside, the ‘culling’ would have had to be administered.

These are the things you’re missing Maeli…I mean VG. Can you address those points?

You’re not the Riot-act cop, however, so you won’t be doing that to me. Unless you have anything useful to contribute to this debate, I will not be replying to you further as it is not a productive conversation. You are a moron.

Tap, true, I don’t think this will be an election issue so I don’t think the gov. gives a f*ck. But it still stands that they did not properly investigate alternatives and therefore, this decision is entirely flawed.

167 posts on the subject, 52 by Tap including at least 3 or 4 occasions of double and triple posts.

Yeah…..everyone else gives a f*ck

I love your ‘history’ of the site too. Only just returned after 2 years of not posting. In the time that I have posted here I have argued and debated with just about all the ‘regulars’ you speak of, more often than not having vastly different opinions.

But we must all be against you, mustn’t we

Please go away

The large number of people who do not give a rats arse either way would not be displeased by the government waiting to see if the money for the trial relocation could be raised privately for the one simple fact: They do not give a rats arse. They don’t care enough to get either pleasure or displeasure from whats happening. Therefore my opinion stands that more people would have been pleased if the government had waited.

My point is what it has been ever since the cull began, way back in the last post. That the government should have waited to see if the money could be raised privately. I have given my reasoning, had it tested time and time again, and it stands. I put it to you that you forgetting my point is your problem, and not mine.

The same can not be said for your opinion. In fact there hasn’t been a single coherant argument with reasons about why the government was right to not wait and see if the money could be raised privately.

It is clear to me that some of you have come to this site, one you have done for years now, pissed in each others pockets and assured each other that your ignorant opinions are correct, that an opinion doesn’t need reasons behind it, and that has been changed somewhat since I started posting. I am not sorry about this. Nor am I embarrased to hold the reasoned based opinions that I have. Nor am I too proud or irrational to notice when I have been proved wrong, the same can not be said for you.

DMD

You’re right up there with Tap in the wanker stakes. Funny how it is suddenly a worthwhile debate when everyone’s on your side.

Yes, I have heard that phrase and similiar on more than one occasion at work, guess what happened to the people that said it?

Flappity flap flap you hopeless bleeding heart you

VG – here’s a line you may have heard in your policing days; “P*ss off you wanker!” If you don’t have anything to add to a particular topic, don’t comment on it. This forum is for all Canberrans to debate current issues. The debate here is still raging and just because you’re too thick to work out where anyone lies, it does not give you a ticket to speak for everyone who posts and lurks here.

EL – You give them a hug?

Q: How do you punish a masochist?

I owe a beer to the person with the first correct answer.

Tap

You clearly find it impossible to shut up.

By and large people (and I’m talking the broader population of Canberra) do not give a rat’s arse about what is happening in Lawson. In fact without a little publicity no one would be the wiser. It’s not being oblivious, its not being ignorant, just they have more important things to worry about.

Run a quick vox pop in the City tomorrow and prove me wrong.

Amongst all the shit you have espoused, the fact you can’t let a sleeping dog lie and like a 13yo hyped up on red cordial insist on getting the last word whatever point you were trying to make has really been lost. I’d love to debate a point with you but I don’t know what yours is anymore. Its a bit like a ‘my dog is blacker than your dog’ argument now. Tit for tat piffle.

Some of us would like to come to this site, one we have done so for quite a few years now, and NOT see a post of yours at the top of the recent comments. I would guarantee that people who frequent this site would see your postings at the top of the list and go straight to the next subject.

You do nothing more than personify a stereotype. So do I, but I am happy of the one I personify. You should be embarrassed

DMD: They should take into account what people think. But they quite often don’t. I suspect in this case the reason they didn’t offer the option for the trial relocation to be privately paid is not because they don’t care, but because they simply didn’t think of it.

The government still has to take into account what people think.

Liberals lost the last federal election because they didn’t…

I really dont.

Is it about And since when do the Govt care about people being pleased with their decisions? Around election time they at least pretend to care. But this has nothing to do with my point that the government should have waited.

Why whether or not the government cares about people being pleased with their decisions has nothing to do with my point? If so because whether the government cares only has consequence when discussing what they will/won’t do, not should/shouldn’t do.

For instance: The government doesn’t care what people think therefore they will do x. – that statment makes sense.

As opposed to: The government doesn’t care what people think therefore they should do x.

That is why whether or not the government cares has nothing to do with my point.

But then again, that might not be the ‘why’ you were referring to at all…

Stop being so cute tap, you know why what.

vg: Good point and well made, that surely proved my point wrong.

Tap

Here’s a contemporary abbreviation that your cool uni friends may have taught you

STFU……..please!

El: Why what?

Because if the protesters are unhappy, then it’s not a win-win situation, el.

And…well, killing anything should always be a last resort. All other avenues should be explored first. They were not satisfactorily explored in this case.

DMD: You’d think, wouldn’t you?

And no you’re right, no one wanted to kill the kangaroo’s. Those in power called it things like ‘a regretable nessecity’ due to the cost. What im saying is there an alternative way to pay for the trial relocation. Which removes the nessecity from the statement and leaves it just as ‘regretable’.

Why??

How so: Most people who were against the trial relocation going ahead, were of the opinion that it was too costly, there are even a fair few people of the opinion that if the relocation were cheaper it would have been preferable to culling. The protestors paying for the trial relocation (or the difference between what the culling cost and what the relocation would cost) would have satisfied both these groups. A win win situation really.

And since when do the Govt care about people being pleased with their decisions? Around election time they at least pretend to care. But this has nothing to do with my point that the government should have waited.

What needs to be established is how much money was spent actually ‘culling’ the kangaroos. From there, you would need to estimate the difference between either defenses’ estimates or the independent specialist’s estimates, if any, and determine if the latter could raise the difference and get contractors in to do the job.

After all, defense doesn’t really want to kill the roo’s, do they? So why would it be a problem if they spent the same amount of money moving them?

The government should have waited because then more people would have been pleased with the decision compared with the amount that were pleased by the culling going ahead straight away.

How so? Where is this documented? And since when do the Govt care about people being pleased with their decisions?

El: Lol. ok.

The government should have waited because then more people would have been pleased with the decision compared with the amount that were pleased by the culling going ahead straight away. Most people who were against the trial relocation going ahead, were of the opinion that it was too costly, there are even a fair few people of the opinion that if the relocation were cheaper it would have been preferable to culling. The protestors paying for the trial relocation (or the difference between what the culling cost and what the relocation would cost) would have satisfied both these groups. A win win situation really.

Why?

El: Yes of course, I never argued that. What ive been saying (and reasoning) is that we should have.

Thumper: 1 and 2: This is my point. They didn’t have the chance to raise the money. There was only about a week inbetween the anouncement that the trial relocation plan was dumped (due to expense), and the culling started. The government should have waited. They didn’t even offer up the option that if the protestors could raise the money they would go with the trial relocation.

3. The original question: 3. Why shouldn’t the government have waited a little longer to see if the protestors could raise the money?

your answer: 3. see 1 [your answer to one was: Plausible but unlikely] and 2 [your answer to two was: Plausible but unlikely], also, it has gone on for way to long now. So do you mean its plausible but unlikely that the government shouldn’t have waited? Again I say your answer doesn’t make sense, I didn’t ask whether the government would wait, which i agree is plausible but unlikely. I was asking for a reason that they shouldn’t wait. ie the government shouldn’t have waited to see if the protestors could raise the money because x. (and please dont let the reason be because the kangaroos would have starved, because you and I have already covered that)

4. Ok fine you don’t why we couldn’t wait. A rational person would take the knowledge that there is no reason (that we know of) not to wait and make the logical conclusion that then: We could have waited.

Spideydog: I hoped you didn’t read it, meaning there was the possibility you are capable of basic comprehension.

Danman: Nothing you said is relevant to my point.

So we’ve agreed it’s unlikely then? Excellent. Glad you’ve seen some sense.

John Lennon FTW.

Tap, Ill keep fishing as long as you keep biting… Why would a fisherman move to another place when the fishing is so good here – and lets face it, you never disappoint…

If God did not want us to kill the Kangaroos he would have made them look like trees or something… who cares, they are vermin anyway….

Anyone who think otherwise should really put their thoughts into action, otherwise you are just another armchair expert.

that’s all I have to say…and my last input into this thread….poseur

tap said :

Spideydog: Read the answers for yourself, you’ll see what im talking about. Or not, if you’re not bothering.

Well done tap. In one sentance you have single handedly proven the very point I was making. Going on your quote above, I allegedly haven’t read the answers, because if I had of, the only logical correct opinion, is agreeance with yours?

Oh, my link didn’t work. It was to a site about ignorance. ah well.

Spideydog: I wasn’t talking about them being endangered, or not endangered, just that they are exotic and entirely rad.

Spideydog: Read the answers for yourself, you’ll see what im talking about. Or not, if you’re not bothering.

No thats fine, you agree that its plausible, good enough. I have no reasons to think it is likely, just as I have no reasons to think it is unlikely.

So we agreed on the plausibility. Are we also agreed that the govenernment could have waited? And ill go out on a limb and ask if we are agreed the government should have waited? It would have been a decision that answered more peoples concerns than going ahead straight away with the culling?

el said :

Tap: Thumper said these things were plausible, but unlikely, which I agree with.

Can you please tell us why you think these things are likely?

But they are apparently not “answers”

el said :

Spideydog: Link

Roger that.

Tap: Gorillas are endangered. Kangaroos are not. Every time you post you assist proving my point.

El: Link

Tap: Thumper said these things were plausible, but unlikely, which I agree with.

Can you please tell us why you think these things are likely?

1. The Irwin clan are already on record saying they disagree with the 3.5m estimate, they are on record being against the culling, they are on record for donating money to animal causes in the past. However I never used the word likely, I said plausible.
2. Ill cut and paste again shall I? Again, I used the word plausible, rather than likely, because I am careful with hypotheticals: More on the plausability of raising the money: People from other countries view the kangaroo in a similar way to how we would view the elephant or moose, exotic and entirely rad. A campaign around the world of something along the lines of ‘Donate a dollar to save skippy from a bullet to the head’ could certainly have yielded results. I know I would donate to save gorillas from the same fate.
3. No its not. It is unlikely. What im saying is that they should, not will.
4. Erm. Not a question.

Spideydog: Fine don’t bother, or do. At this point im very confident my point is correct. I doubt very much anyone will be able to give any actual reasons why its wrong.

Spideydog: Link

Which comment has your answers?

1. How is it likely that rich animal libertarians such as Irwin etc will chip in?

2. How is it likely that the money will be raised?

3. Is it likely that the government will wait a little longer to see if the protestors can raise the money?

4. I’m right, you’re wrong. OMGWTFBBQthisreallyworks!!1!!1@2@@!2@exclamationmark!!!

M8, every answer given to you is either wrong or “they” have misinterpreted the question. No answer given to you is “valid” unless it agree’s with yours. That is why I don’t bother. I’ve covered this ground with you before.

You are a self opinionated person that will twist comments to your favour from thier intially intended meaning.

No logical or intelligent “discussion” can be had with you, in my opinion.

I’ve answered your questions. You don’t like the answer? Fine. Suggest you take a step back before you go around calling people morons (is this something you do in real life? If so, I’d love to see it)

Yes it does if you have no reasons to disagree with it. What are your reasons for disagreeing? if you have a reasonless opinion, that does make you a moron (on the particular subject you hold an ignorant opinion on anyway).

I disagree with your OPINION tap, nothing more. Having an opinion that differs from yours doesn’t make me a moron (and funnily enough, there seems to be quite a few people here that disagree with you).

You sound like an extremely unhinged individual.

I think you are a moron because you should have either given a legitimate reason why im wrong, or realised that im not wrong. My opinion is correct, its reasons are good (or else surely, someone would have given legitamte reasons why its not). You are either a moron for not picking up on that, or a moron for picking up on it but not changing your opinion.

I think it’s far more plausible (there’s that word again!) that ‘you’ are actually a nicely written Javascript that autoreplies with the similar/same block of text every few hours or upon seeing that the comment count has gone up.

I told you so!

El: Pathetic, sunshine.

And yeah i saw thumpers response for why my point is valid.

Danman: Well you did make me look smarter. If thats the best you’ve got then really I have it all over you don’t i?

Thumper:

Of course I gave my answers to them, doesn’t mean people can’t give different answers, I will scrutinise them. If they hold water then good for me, Ill have learned something. If not then god for me, I was right all this time.

1. So its plausible, thank you. You could tell me why you think its unlikely?
2. So its plausible, thank you. You could tell me why you think its unlikely?
3. Your answer didn’t make sense. If you were trying to say that it is plausible the government could have waited, of course it is. But i was asking why they shouldn’t have waited, given the plausibilty of 1 and 2.
4. You misunderstood the question. Why do you think this has gone on too long? as in why should it no go a bit longer?

(Saying the reason the government has taken too long, is because the government has taken too long is some pretty faulty logic)

Well thats a mighty grudging response, but probably the best im going to get. At least I know you know that im right, and deliberately misinterpreting the questions is all you’ve got.

Spideydog: Fine don’t bother, or do. At this point im very confident my point is correct. I doubt very much anyone will be able to give any actual reasons why its wrong.

What is the chances of you admitting my point is valid though?

Buckleys, sunshine. Happy for you bash out another 30 or 40 replies though. Interesting you class folks that disagree with you as ‘morons’. Pretty good way to lose an argument right there. See Thumper’s response for why your point isn’t valid.

I think it’s far more plausible (there’s that word again!) that ‘you’ are actually a nicely written Javascript that autoreplies with the similar/same block of text every few hours or upon seeing that the comment count has gone up.

el said :

Can someone please explain to me what this has to do with oppression of Indigenous Australians?

Susan?

I prayed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to look after the kangaroos, but he just laughed and touched me with his noodly appendage.

Twice.

This thread has been a pisser…

Tap, OMG, I won’t even bother !!

tap…. Truly A Poseur ( I even frenchied it up to make him look smarter )

El: Sure. No I havn’t. Now:

If my point is invalid you should be able to answer the questions:

1. How is it not plausible that rich animal libertarians such as Irwin etc would chip in?

2. How is it not plausible that the money could have been raised?

3. Why shouldn’t the government have waited a little longer to see if the protestors could raise the money?

And one more: 4. Why has the government waited far too long on this issue already?

Alternatively if my point is valid, and there are only answers to my questions are:

1. No reason, it is entirely plausible.
2. No reason it is entirely plausible.
3. No reason, it would have actually made more people happy than the culling. ie the people worried about spending public money on it would have been satisfied, and the animal libertarians would have been satisfied, but it certainly would have been a good outcome for the two groups.
4. They havn’t, the kangaroos are still ok, the native grasses/lizards etc are still ok, waiting a bit longer would not have changed this.

Then just how long are you going to avoid admitting that? To be honest i am starting to think that if you did have answers to the questions that differ from mine, you would have said so by now, this being the fourth of fifth time you have avoided answering them. Maybe you could bring up that you think im a girl, or more about wings albums, or that a comment a lot, that’ll prove me wrong and you right, right? Or maybe you will just not comment any more. What is the chances of you admitting my point is valid though?

Go hard: How about you tell me why I don’t have a point. Taking a vote on it doesn’t really prove anything. If I took a vote amongst 5 year olds about who thought santa was real, and they all said they thought santa was real, would that make santa real? In the same way asking a bunch of people (would use the word morons, but won’t just in case some people who see I have a point are still reading, however doubtful that is) who clearly have something against me whether they think I have a point or not does not prove whether I have a point. It just proves what they think of that point of view, or depending on your point of view, that there are morons on RiotACT.

Hey, you first – you didn’t answer my question: Have you ever had to actually listen to a Wings album?

Your love of Paul McCartney has blinded you to reality.

Thought so…

Hands up who thinks tap has a point to make?

El: Ok, if my point is invalid you should be able to answer the questions:

How is it not plausible that rich animal libertarians such as Irwin etc would chip in?

How is it not plausible that the money could have been raised?

Why shouldn’t the government have waited a little longer to see if the protestors could raise the money?

And one more: Why has the government waited far too long on this issue already?

Agree with el. Sorry tap, your point isn’t valid.

No, I was serious. I mean, have you ever had to actually listen to a Wings album?

And I disagree entirely, your point is invalid. The Government has waited FAR too long on this issue already.

It took way to long for you to my point realise my point is valid.

The government should have waited.

Probably because god hates you, tap.

el: That sentence doesn’t imply anything. Paul was being asked to help, and he is loaded. Whats your problem?

You didn’t answer the questions El.

How is it not plausible that rich animal libertarians such as Irwin etc would chip in?

How is it not plausible that the money could have been raised?

Why shouldn’t the government have waited a little longer to see if the protestors could raise the money?

good ole Paul was being asked to help, and he is loaded, and I read today that the Irwin clan were involved in this too. Thats a lot of cash right there.

Nah, never implied a thing. Have fun with your hypotheticals and ‘couple of months’ nonsense.

Imhotep: Yep still here, people keep directing comments to me. i have no idea how many comments.

For whatever its worth, im not doing a degree, the ole third time lucky is a future plan.

Geez tap. You’re STILL here. Is that about 30 posts on this thread?

I’m beginning to see why you are making your 3rd attempt at an Ats degree!

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VY: Has it dawned on you that my point is valid about this yet?

Of course the money could be raised – kangaroos are such warm, sexual creatures, and the members of that special support group will all step up to the plate.

El: I never implied any such thing. However i still do think its plausible they would have helped. How is it not? You say Fantasy world, i say hypothetical. It is also plausible that donations would have made a lot of money. The following is what I wrote on a revious thread. To you. You never did get around to replying so perhaps you can do it now:

More on the plausability of raising the money: People from other countries view the kangaroo in a similar way to how we would view the elephant or moose, exotic and entirely rad. A campaign around the world of something along the lines of ‘Donate a dollar to save skippy from a bullet to the head’ could certainly have yielded results. I know I would donate to save gorillas from the same fate.

How long? I already answered that question. I said it would only take a couple of months to find out if the protestors could raise the money. Certainly not so long that either the kangaroos would starve, the other native wildlife in Lawson would become extinct.

So my questions are: How is it not plausible that rich animal libertarians such as Irwin etc would chip in?

How is it not plausible that the money could have been raised?

Why shouldn’t the government have waited a little longer to see if the protestors could raise the money?

Ah yes Tap. They ‘could have’, in your fantasy world (I notice you’re no longer implying that Paul McCartney and the Irwins were guaranteed to help with fund$.

How long were Defence expected to wait for this fantastic money to materialise?

someoneincanb: Its just such a shame this is happening. Protestors probably could have raised that money themselves.

Ozhair said :

Going off at a slight tangent here, but did anyone hear anything on the radio this morning about someone actually doing the roo-burger barbie across the road from the protest camp this morning?

Front page of the CT today! Couple of yobbos stirring the possum, guzzling kanger bangers.
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/real-roo-fans-give-cullinary-thumbsup/776300.aspx

I read the CT article the other day about them reclaiming the land. Just claim some land as it suits, no worries mate. Just validates the arguments put forward by VG.

Kind of funny how everyone now seems to be ignoring tap – makes me think bak to the times of CC

Nasty nasty … They are not “aboriginals” .. that is an adjective. Post 58 etc etc.

The noun is aborigine. Therefore, they should be referred to as “the aborigines” at the protest site.

PS SomeoninCanb……Who gives a shit what Australia Zoo quoted for re-location? Shoot all of them.

Hate to spoil the thread but did anyone see that photo of Isabel Coe in the paper? I don’t think I have ever seen a better advertisement for super strength support brassieres ……ever. If she started swinging her torso from side to side I think OC spray may have been deployed.

Dont know if this has been noted in any of the kangaroo threads but I read today in the Melbourne Herald Sun that the Wildlife Zoo in Qld (Irwin’s) quoted 650,000 for relocation of 400 kangas INCLUDING fertility treatment and electronic monitoring collars. They also claim to have offered a lower quote of 300,000 which included less electronic monitoring collars. They were quoted in the paper as being astounded by the 3.5mill figure.

Duke

Just the one in Tuggeranong, Erindale to be exact

Thumper: sure, no problem, here: Why would you make a comment like that? do you want this to continue? you could have just let it be.

Off topic – hey VG, do you know if there is a PCYC on the southside, Woden type area?

Idiot.

See 81. You’re just not my type.

Yours, baby.

don’t you people have anything better to do with your time? this is pathetic.

VY: Round the circle again. a) I didn’t misquote b) the words in question made no difference to what he was saying, as i demonstrated when i re wrote my comments with the change in place. You want to go round again? this time acknowledge the changes.

Oh god… then i was right to scream rape wasn’t i? exactly whose dick were you shaking in comment 75?

and tongues VY

My point isn’t worthless and still stands: you took the words of another and twisted them to suit your purpose.

I suspected you are cute but you are obviously stupid – why on earth do you think I’m male, or even straight? This sort of jumping to conclusions gets you into trouble around here, as there are plenty of people with sharp minds.

VY – ill take it that you have realised your point was worthless then.

Funny you mention my cuteness, a) I am and b) up until i read you mega funny line on the same sex couples post I thought you were a woman. Considering you are male, I have to disappoint: Im straight and regardless of that im in a relationship.

Eep, squealing like a pig is for deliverance country.

VY and VG, do not rape the trolls.

You sound kinda cute Tap.

VY – Have you read the re writes I did? did you see the difference it made? Why aren’t you satisfied with that? its what you wanted right?

*screams rape*

Ozhair: Last words to vg I said. About the off topic argument about what makes an aboriginal person real/true as opposed to fake.

imarty – cheers for the heads up – At least I qualify for point 3 in the field accreditation requirements bang bang

vg: Ok so the only real aboriginals I wont see. No matter where I go. Right. gotcha.

You didn’t claim it as a quote, but the implication is there. You used the word but said you didn’t.

*shakes dick*

tap has a lot of last words…

Oh and the word real in comment 49 was not a quote.

*shakes head*

VY: Ill cut and paste my comment shall I?

You know whats a good thing? That what you consider a true and fake aboriginal was absolutely no bearing on reality. Thats seriously good.

and the other one, comment 58, two comments after you’re original objection.

Oh i see what you mean, in a later post he said ‘true’ therefore i misquoted him. Where is this misquote? And anyway thats a bit of a semantic you are going for here, real or true, his point remains the same, so does mine. Here you go: “True. True? Aboriginals don’t have to pass some kind of a test, or live in a way you deem appropriate to be aboriginal. Thats true. Watch your choice of words next time.” – feel better?

Why are you still pushing this?

*shakes head*

Danman, “commercially harvested”
see link http://www.macromeats-gourmetgame.com.au/Aboutus/KangarooIndustry.aspx

Pity you did not do any boxing at the PCYC tap, you certainly give the impression you like to be punched in the “Ring” on another note, vg – sweet – ill give em a bell – see what I can sort out……..Now Kangaroos….. mmm yummy – served rare (to avoid high protien changing of a quality cut into boot leather) and served with an apple balsamic vinegarette.

Also I wa sunder the impression that wild kangaroo can not be used fro domestic meat purposes because thye have worms etc.

It was my understanding that roo, emu, croc and all exotic cuts of meat that we see on our retail shelves are farmed animals for th epurpose of consumption yes ?

VY – The only time i quoted the word real was before he used the word true. *shakes head*

VG used ‘true’ in comment #47. You said ‘real’ in comment #49.

*shakes head*

Danman (as Tap’s last puerile attempt at witticism isn’t worth any more effort)

No longer live in Amaroo (nearby however) but yes, I do use the Charny club. My motivation for using it has 2 facets. First is what it costs me to use it because of what I do, and secondly because I believe that I should support it because of what I do for a living. I am very much into weights and although some of the equipment there isn’t as nice and shiny as Fitness First it still works just fine. A slightly chipped and rusty 20kg plate still weighs as much as a brand spanking shiny new one.

They have plenty of boxing there and it seems to be split on a couple of levels. Dead serious people and those just learning/fitness. Some ladies even giving it a whirl. You’d have to ring them to get the timetables etc and see if what they have suits your needs. I ‘learnt’ it as a kid and moved onto the more serious side with the ‘full on’ training later in life

The whole set up looks very temporary but that is more to do with waiting to see what might happen back in the City. It is a nice quiet gym for me and right next door to a Woolies so I can get something to eat on the way home.

My little fella also does Tots Tumbling down there which is worth the price of admission just to see the fun the kids have (but that’s the selfish side of me, the one that wanted to have kids who may behave like…..well, kids).

My suggestion would be to give them a ring and then maybe get in contact with the coach and discuss what you’d like to do

Ahh this is funny, when I lived in the area i went to PCYC Charny. Didn’t box, just did weights there. It was pretty cheap and nasty, but i guess thats what you get from a PCYC.

VY – The only time i quoted the word real was before he used the word true. *shakes head*

See the response after it. Number 58, even though what you accuse me of is not true, I answered it any changed the words accordingly. *shakes head*

slightly ot but this is directed to vg

Mate, at the moment, I try and get active 4 to 5 times a week – alternating between running up to 5km and alternating with core body free weights sessions and skipping…

Whats the PCYC like ? I found that when i went to the one in Turner – it was like a bad boys club – probably just my impression. Now I am no twig, but I am not huge – but broad shoulders tree trunk legs and a slowly diminishing beer belly, but I felt a bit intimidated…. Whats the Charny one like (Assuming you go there, you have mentioned living in Amaroo, so I made that assumption that you go there)

Do they have boxing lessons, as I know squat about boxing methodology – but would like to give it a non competitive go, learning methodology and sparring, mainly for peak physical endurance more than how to “Bash” people, I am above that kind of attitude…

Maybe I need to set up a thread when I get home…. I will see… just keen for some cardio variety – and exercising by yourself is pretty mundane.

VY: Incorrect. read comment 34. He said real. *shakes head*

My pleasure.

I know. Which is why I specifically said that it had already been dealt with. My response stands.

*Shakes head*

Ok ill take the last word, fine by me. So this person is aboriginal in ethnic identification alone. The only thing that makes this person aboriginal by being aboriginal. True.

The alleged ‘fact’ this group of aboriginals wouldn’t know what their genuine culture is is a mighty large can of worms, and one we might have a lot more common ground on than you think. It must be fairly difficult for Aboriginals living in canberra to live a traditional aboriginal lifestyle.

Well it does look like you are already being more careful with your choice of words. Sorry if it sounds like im talking to an infant, i understand why you think that though, it feels as though im talking to an infant. It also sounds like you are trying to pick a fight over the internet. Thats about as lame as it gets man. Meet you on the oval after school? And you wonder why im talking to you like you are still a child.

Anyway thats my last word.

Down there 2 or 3 times a week Danman, all are welcome. Fantastic workout, you are right

No invite for Tap though. Just an analogy of how the courage of convictions often leaves when the courage is required. If I felt so strongly about the Lawson roos I wouldn’t be flapping away at a keyboard all day about it

Sounds like PCYC time.

If this fable ever comes to fruition, I’d be happy to spar as well – with anyone – its a good aerobic workout

Mael, I assume you mean the one my Daddy taught me, how it was cruel to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man?

It does get rather hard to debate when you say something coherent in English and someone twists it around to suit whatever is the agenda de jour for them. Coe and people of her ilk are Aboriginal in ethnic identification alone. They wouldn’t know what living a genuine cultural life is as they aren’t 100% sure what their culture is.

I also love the ‘watch your choice of words next time’ style comment, like a teacher scolding the little one’s for saying ‘poop’. I can guarantee that everything I say on here I would pleasurably say face to face to someone like Tap. I can also guarantee that he/she/it wouldn’t have the balls to say it to me. Another internet hard man

Oh no, there goes VG being all ‘violent’ again.

Enjoy having the last word Tap, I tire of trying to explain things rationally to you. I have better things to do

Oh i see what you mean, in a later post he said ‘true’ therefore i misquoted him. Where is this misquote? And anyway thats a bit of a semantic you are going for here, real or true, his point remains the same, so does mine. Here you go: “True. True? Aboriginals don’t have to pass some kind of a test, or live in a way you deem appropriate to be aboriginal. Thats true. Watch your choice of words next time.” – feel better?

VY: Incorrect. read comment 34. He said real. *shakes head*

My pleasure.

Tap – you misquoted. You quoted ‘real’ when VG actually said “the true Aborginal people”. The ‘real’ comment had been responded to previously.

But thanks for the self deprecation with undertones.

Hey vg – might be time to roll out the old one liner for old times sakes

VY: Ok, I will no longer quote what people say, as that clearly misrepresents what they were saying… it being a quote and all. good point.

From my comments, when i said deep NT, im going there in under a year… what lead you to believe it was a little touristy bus trip up north, the kind that hurtles through places like Hermannsburg at a million miles an hour on the way to Kings Canyon Resort resort.. Thats a baseless assumption that makes me think Just when you think people couldn’t get any ’stupider’ along comes someone to prove you wrong.

Real. Real? Aboriginals don’t have to pass some kind of a test, or live in a way you deem appropriate to be aboriginal. Thats real. Watch your choice of words next time.

Ah good, we’ve gone from the ‘protestors don’t do enough’ to the ‘protestors do too much’ back to the ‘protestors dont do enough’. Its a comfort that these two arguments are all you people have.

However we are right off topic, so hows about you have your last little jab at me then we move on? Call me a stupid for having a reason based opinion. It’ll do wonders for your credibilty.

Tap – twisting words to make them say what you want achieves nothing. You’re clearly one of these people that leans on emotive bullshit to justify your position. Go back and join the local uni communists.

Just when you think people couldn’t get any ‘stupider’ along comes someone to prove you wrong.

You will see what you think I think are the ‘real’ people if you step off the beaten track. You will see definitely see what I’m talking about then, but the ball’s in your court. From your remarks I can only assume you are going on some little touristy bus trip up north, the kind that hurtles through places like Hermannsburg at a million miles an hour on the way to Kings Canyon Resort resort.

What’s even a better thing is watching you amateurly try and twist my words to suit your agenda. I am neither racist nor bigot, but I am definitely realist. I am making comments on the use of ‘culture’ as an indefensible weapon by those with agendas thereby hurting those without them, not on the value of that culture or the ethnicity of those using the culture. But you’d have to have life experience to realise that.

By your net postings you are all talk anyway. If the whole thing meant so much to you you’d be down there with the rest of the idiots

was should have said has.

vg: Ok so the only real aboriginals I wont see. No matter where I go. Right. gotcha.

douche.

You know whats a good thing? That what you consider a real and fake aboriginal was absolutely no bearing on reality. Thats seriously good.

Homophone – The choice in modern mobile communications for the discerning homosexual.

So you’re going there Tap, well I’ve been there….for a long time. I’m not talking about the people that live in the communities that are impacted by the intervention. I am talking about communities that have no need for grog or drugs. The ones I speak of you won’t see on your little holiday, they are a little off the beaten track for that. I am talking about the ones that live their harmonious live in line with their true culture. What they do every single day is reflected in their culture. Not these fly by nighters who only become culturally aware when there’s money or publicity involved. The true Aboriginal people care nought for any of that.

If you spent a little less time with your head up your ass you wouldn’t yell bigotry when a white fella dares to cast aspertions over the veracity of someone’s ‘culture’. Any time anyone tries to reasonably question Coe or anyone of her ilk they are instantly branded racist or bigot, yet I am more than happy for anyone to debate my beliefs reasonably because that the way life works. I don’t call them bigot or anti whatever I believe.

You do nothing more than personify a stereotype of a bleeding heart who has no life experience whatsoever, but rather lives a blinkered life reflective of whatever is written in Green Left Weekly this week. My life is all about experiencing the things I have talked about.

You are nothing but an irrelevant troll….ta, ta

I am shit scared of telephones.

I drove past one of the culled that they missed this morning. Poor thing, lying lifeless on the side of Tharwa Drive. They SHOULD HAVE SAVED IT !!

Going off at a slight tangent here, but did anyone hear anything on the radio this morning about someone actually doing the roo-burger barbie across the road from the protest camp this morning?

VY: You are a homophone.

vg: deep NT, im going there in under a year (so that will mean i’ve earned my right to an opinion! right?). I expect to see 4th world conditions starvation, disease, rampant drug and alcohol problems etc, etc. Im guessing these are also fake aboriginals? Perhaps you should just be a little bit more careful with your choice of words, and avoid people thinking you are a bigot? Oh and sorry to have a different opinion, and therefore f.ck up the thread.

It’s as easy to call someone a racist as it is a homophone, simply because the natural emotive response of most (uneducated) people is to condemn the person on the end of the comment. To actually think for yourself takes more effort, which is why so few people do.

It all bounces off my thick black skin.

My point precisely, but no doubt someone will now play the racist card. Usually happens when someone else plays the realist one

vg – I think spending some time away from their computers, other than for biological reasons, might be a smaller, more achievable step.

I agree that these ‘aboriginals’ appear to be no more ‘aboriginal’ than I am. They are welfare frauds due to the virtue of the colour of their skin, which by its very nature, is abhorrent.

Perhaps VG is referring to those people who use their ancestry when it suits them, and ignores it the rest of the time. Traditional Aboriginal life was tribal, so blowing between tribes when convenient is not exactly authentic.

Try your best not to f*ck up this thread as well.

You know exactly what I mean. People who live their lives with regard to their culture every day, not just when it suits them or some publicity. Spend some time deep in the NT, you’ll know what I mean

Real Aboriginals with genuine attachments to their culture and history are embarrassed by these people err i guess you are referring to the fake aboriginals?

Let me clarify that by saying that I have respect for the culture and the history that the Aboriginal people have with this country, but a lot of this mythology is exactly that, myths.

Isabel Coe has less attachment to the ACT than I do, as my family has been here a hell of a lot longer. She’s a blow in from whatever area suits her. She was once Ngunnawal but now bats for Wiradjuri, same for Matilda House. Funnily enough last time I saw Matilda House officiate somewhere guess what she was wearing, wouldn’t have been a kangaroo skin coat would it?

Real Aboriginals with genuine attachments to their culture and history are embarrassed by these people

It was amazingly complex because its bull shit.

peter@home said :

why weren’t the local elders from ngunuwal providing the fire? seems strange to me, that another tribe,even though related to the locals was doing it.

A staff member tried to explain all this stuff to me once, but it was amazingly complex. It’s all worked out by “skins”, ancestry etc. Various named tribes don’t “own” lands in the way we understand it. So this area hosts Ngunnawal, but also Wiradjuri.

Personally, I think the original plan to re-locate the Roos was a brilliant idea, and what a superb way to spend tax payers dollars. Bring it on I say. It’s not too late! I can rustle up a mates ute and possibly a trailer of 2. Who’s for it?!

Headbonius, The Church of the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) is a legitimate religion; in fact it is the religion of choice for Atheists…

We believe that the world was created by a touch of his noodly appendage and that heaven has stripper factories and beer volcanos.

Oh Fcuk me El – I rolled off the chair with tears of laughter streaming from my eyes – noodly appeadage. Maybe it was because I am tired, maybe because it was really funny or maybe because Susan is a space cadet. Anyway it was a good laugh.

There are different indigenous factions, some of who say the Ngunnawal people are just a European invention and that it is insulting to call this Ngunnawal land, possibly that explains it a bit.

Crikey said :

I was listening to an interview this morning with Isabell Coe, from the Aboriginal Tent Embassy. Stemming from that interview I would like to apologise to the Roos as ADF is definitely culling the wrong species, it should be Coe and her type that are being ‘culled’.

Some of her outlandish and uneducated statements included that 6 million kangaroos were being culled “each year in Canberra” (yes in Canberra alone) and that “genocide” is being committed against the Roos.

Has anyone noticed that the tent embassy people are trying to get on the news by just being at Lawson?

why weren’t the local elders from ngunuwal providing the fire? seems strange to me, that another tribe,even though related to the locals was doing it. doesn’t happen in the NT, they are more territorial and would prefer to perform the ceremonies themselves. oh well, the tent embassy got a plug, I guess.

Can someone please explain to me what this has to do with oppression of Indigenous Australians?

Susan?

I prayed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to look after the kangaroos, but he just laughed and touched me with his noodly appendage.

Twice.

“Resort..” What resort????

Forget the troll alert, sound the nutcase alert. There’s been plenty all arvo.
Now who was eating pig tonight? (this thread or a similar one, they all look alike after a while) Got a good meal idea or recipe for some pig you want to share?
That’d be a good idea for a thread, recipes for bits of dead animals…

Susan said :

“The kangaroos being slaughtered, not very humanely as we have witnessed, also need our prayers.”

Our prayers? Give me a break!

.

Wow, Mr Reynolds going against the liberal grain! I guess it’s Anti Government, so it fits, but goes against libs position, which backs the cull. See 01.04.08 HALT TO CULL WILL CAUSE INDEFENSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, 20.03.08 DOES STANHOPE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE WILL TO PROTECT ENVIRONMENT?, 04.03.08 HUMPHRIES BACKS ROO CULL

While I wouldn’t it negates a perception of bias, at least it bucks the trend!

Yes, the homeless need our help too. So do the people affected by natural disasters in Burma and China. We have to try to do what we can for suffering beings, human or animal.

The kangaroos being slaughtered, not very humanely as we have witnessed, also need our prayers.

We don’t see so many prostesters outside courts because pedophiles generally get they just deserts – more now than previously. They get treated very badly in jail – maybe they’d rather have the death sentence?

Isabel Coe is Wiradyuri, related to Ngunuwal. Good for her to standing up for all oppression of Aboringal peoples.

I love kangaroos but I couldn’t eat a whole one.

That would cost 9999999999 Billion dollars, by defense estimates.

Perhaps the tent embassy could be relocated to the site at Lawson?

Their specialists came up with $250,000….

She was smoking what Cavalier was dealing ask him…

Cavalier said :

Wake up Australia and get the drugs

Vote 1 Cavalier: the new face of the Young Liberals on RiotAct.

She was smoking what Cavalier was dealing…

Cavalier said :

Vote 1 Cavalier: the new face of the Young Liberals on RiotAct.

which makes one wonder what she was smoking.

So was it Isabell Coe that did the smoking and claimed the land?

Isabell is Wiradyuri, not one of the local Ngunuwal, so this is not her country.

So that’s why the illegal campers are up there. Thanks for the update crikey – answers a question I asked on another thread.

Here was me thinking they may have just been after a bit of tucker.

Can’t blame Isabell for being a bit antsy though. If we’re culling 6 million each year in Canberra, roo meat’s gunna be scarce and more expensive than truffles.

Me thinks Crikey goes home each night and stands to attention while Horst-Wessel-Lied plays on the gramaphone.
Sieg Heil, mate!

Crikey: We agree on something then, as long as its fair to cull kangaroos, we should be culling humans. They are pests that have overpopulated the world, are generally to blame for every bad thing ever, can be extremely dumb, and have destroyed their habitat so that lots of it is no longer livable.

(for the record I don’t think humans should be culled)

I was listening to an interview this morning with Isabell Coe, from the Aboriginal Tent Embassy. Stemming from that interview I would like to apologise to the Roos as ADF is definitely culling the wrong species, it should be Coe and her type that are being ‘culled’.

Some of her outlandish and uneducated statements included that 6 million kangaroos were being culled “each year in Canberra” (yes in Canberra alone) and that “genocide” is being committed against the Roos.

I love it. Its non stop! protestors either are no good because we see their faces everywhere, or are horrible because we don’t see their faces everywhere!

Cavalier I hope you are just as angry at your small minded radical dropkick self, mother, father and everyone else in the world for not being outside the courts while a kiddy fiddler is being prosecuted.

Thanks for keeping us informed of your plans, Thumper.

I’ll watch it tonight.

Thanks for the heads up, Thumper!
What else are you up to tonight that we might want to know about?

Jonathon,

Thanks for posting this.

Unfortunately, if the protesters have a clear argument, it’s not coming through. The biggest message I got from the video was that “something should have been done years ago.” Well, I agree, something *should* have been done years ago. But that doesn’t help us now.

My observation of the situation is that these kangaroos are considered a pest, they are taking over the local flora and fauna (including other native animals), forcing themselves and other wildlife to suffer through scarcity of resources.

Relocating them will only move the problem elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?). If they are not culled, then nature – as always – will do the culling. It will be a lot messier, it will offend bystanders even more, and will be a painful (for the kangaroos, as well the humans), drawn-out and altogether nastier process.

Killing them humanely removes the problem. Implementing a breeding/fertility programme will prevent the situation from arising again.

We don’t see these protestors outside the courts when kiddie fiddlers are being prosecuted. Why not?

Angry, you bet, small minded radical dropkicks trying to get on TV and in the media – try supporting something real for once in your lives.

Try looking after the humans that don’t have a warm place to sleep tonight or kids that are being abused. Wake up Australia and get off the drugs