Ley's Liberals want to write off a disastrous week, you think?

You mean the rallies partially organised and led by members of the NSN chanting racist and white supremacists slogans?

What’s that saying about lying down with dogs?

The problem Palestine rallies were different ones.

That’s a glib response comparing a marches for peace that may have some bad elements attend as opposed to marches at least in part organised and led by actual avowed Nazis.

Shameful stuff.

Yes, the way they chanted “death to the IDF” was particularly peaceful.

But regardless, marching for some mob half the earth away is a little bizarre. Marching for a government to simply do what they promised and reduce immigration is supporting your own country.

Classic stuff Penfold. This article is about Susan Ley but you manage to insert Israel & Palestine into every post on every immageanable issue. Well done.

This article is about politics franky, especially Liberal politics. Newspoll results would appear to be rather pertinent wouldn’t you think ?

“Yes, the way they chanted “death to the IDF” was particularly peaceful.”

Not “they” Penfold, a few people who turned up.

Unlike the anti-immigration marches which where in part organised and led by the NSN chanting racist and white supremacist slogans. Actual avowed Nazis. Some of whom are still in custody pending hearings over violent attacks on a peaceful indigenous camp mainly made up of elderly and women.

Your attempt to compare these things as equal says a lot about your politics.

Absolutely shameful stuff.

Agreed seano, comparing these things says much about political viewpoints. A March for Australia featuring a small number of idiots remains – a March for Australia.

A march for palestine, your preferred march, is a march for the PLO, Hamas, Black September, Yasser Arafat and Hezbollah. It does say plenty about one’s politics, one’s patriotism and one’s support for lands far away.

Have you ever been there btw ? Presumably not, so what’s the attraction ?

“A March for Australia featuring a small number of idiots remains – a March for Australia.”

No you don’t get to misrepresent what happen.

Marches in many places organised and led by actual Nazis. Marches held up so that the Nazis could be at the front of the march, chanting their disgusting slogans, marches that featured violent assaults on peaceful bystanders.

“A march for Palestine, your preferred march, “….I stated no preferences I pointed out you were comparing a rally for peace that had some bad elements turn up to rally organised in part by actual Nazis chanting racist slogans and committing acts of violence.

“….s a march for the PLO, Hamas, Black September, Yasser Arafat and Hezbollah. “…NO it is not.

But typical of Penfold to follow up shamefully playing down Nazi involvement in March for “Australia” with misrepresenting people who are in no way tied to any of those groups merely calling for peace in Gaza.

“Have you ever been there btw ? Presumably not, so what’s the attraction ?”
What a bizarre comment.

But it’s really the shameful defence of the actions of actual Nazis that is quiet shocking.

Sorry to shock you, it must be quite confronting. People here in Australia, supporting Aussie values and our way of life.

Don’t look now but it’s happening in England too.

What’s amusing is you can’t define “Australian way of life” any more than you can define “UK way of life” without at best sounding silly or at worst telling on yourself.

What’s confronting is attempts to draw false equivalencies to protests for peace while having nothing to say about actual Nazis hijacking March “for” Australia.

Shameful.

It’s obviously hard keeping up, but you were provided 15 dot points a week or two back. Since you’ve forgotten them, feel free to go back and find them.

You mean like “politeness”? As if immigrants are somehow excluded from this Australian “value” …well according to you.

Which proves my point, you can’t define “Australian values” without at best sounding silly or at worst telling yourself.

And still no condemnation of actual Nazis seeking to hijack the immigration debate?

Shameful.

Ah yes, as you point out, i have answered your silly question. You just don’t like the answer. Which also shows you’re telling porkies again 🙂

Explain why immigrants don’t demonstrate the “Australian value” (according to you) of “politeness”….Penfold, without sounding silly or telling on yourself of course. I’ll wait.

And still no condemnation of actual Nazis hijacking the March “for” Australia and their alleged assaults on a group peaceful elderly folk and women at camp sovereignty?….very telling.

Wait all you like seano, who ever said “immigrants don’t demonstrate the “Australian value” (sic) ?

I did point out that the majority marching for Australia were doing so in support of our values, but the differences in those statements appear lost on you.

Unfortunately your constant attempts at “gotcha” keep barking up the wrong tree.

I see you’re running way from your shameful claims that immigrants don’t demonstrate Australian values… unsurprising…as I said you can’t defend claiming most of your silly list (like “politeness”) as being Australian values that immigrants don’t share with out at best sounding ridiculous or at worst telling on yourself….

…and I see we’re at the point of the conversation we’re you’re (incorrectly) highlighting grammar again….a sure sign you’re losing…again.

“I did point out that the majority marching for Australia were doing so in support of our values, but the differences in those statements appear lost on you.”

You didn’t have anything to say about actual Nazis organising many of the marches, holding up the marches so that they could lead them in their black uniforms whilst chanting their vile slogans and throwing their weight around. Or those Nazis controlling who spoke at the rallies pushing their own lowlife members forward and stopping other speakers or the assaults committed on peaceful elderly folk and women at camp sovereignty.

Not a single word. Nothing about any of their disgusting acts or hijacking of debate on immigration to push their own vile cause.

I don’t have to “gotcha” you Penfold you’ve done it yourself by flat out refusing to condemn any of it.

People who march behind Nazis cannot pretend they are not at a Nazi rally, people who refuse to condemn their actions are also complicit.

Price was sacked for not standing by principle cabinet solidarity. Nothing to do with appeasing anyone. Do keep up.

No mate, not appeasing lefties. Just appeasing the conservatives that are not of your ilk, I would guess. Believe it or not, most people are not politically polorised and although someone is left of you, they may very well be a conservative also. Sorry they aren’t conservative enough or trumpy enough or whatever it is the far right even wants. Do you even know what you want?

TG the One Nation vote went up 50% in today’s Newspoll compared to 3 May. Is this an example of voters moving to the centre ?

It’s not an example of voters doing anything at…firstly you once again have had a maths with percentages not being your friend.

Secondly the same poll has Coalition vote collapsing so of course some of it has go somewhere, thirdly it’s 3 years out from an election so it’s not an indication of anything significant (at least not for sensible people), and it’s not and “example of voters” doing anything because it’s a poll not an election.

Genuis stuff as always Penfold.

I don’t think you are making the point you think you are. In fact, you might even be proving my point of right wing division. Another own goal from the brains trust.

Well TG it was a question rather than a point, but I did enjoy your comment about the “unified left”. Interestingly Labor didn’t get any traction in today’s Newspoll so it’s hard to work out what your point is.

seano that post made as much sense as the maths which followed. The One Nation primary has gone up more than 50% – from 6.4% to 10%. Maybe decimal points are confusing. 🛴

You understood it well enough to critique it and prove my point Penfold. Genuis stuff.

A temporary, “50%” polling increase takes One Nation to 10% in the midst of a Coalition polling collapse.

No one sensible would be drawing conclusions from polls this far out, although if one were to be that ridiculous *cough* the only reasonable conclusion is that the odds of a Coalition are very low.

PS. 6.4% to 10% is a 50% increase? lol you really are bad at maths Penfold.

An amusement gift which keeps giving. 56.25% is more than 50% in years 4 maths, but i can’t speak for earlier years 🤣

It’s not 50% though is it….genius stuff.

Meanwhile enjoy crowing about One Nation, who will never be in power in this country. lol

Where did one nation get their increase in the polls from? Was it labor voters that have changed their mind? Seems labor didn’t gain or lose traction. LNP voters of the opinion that they are not far right enough have moved towards on nation. Division. Meanwhile anyone even partially on the left isn’t really convinced to swing right. The right are fighting amongst themselves for the same voting base. Divided. By comparison, the left is unified.

Well that’s true TG, the 36% – basically one third of Australians – who support Labor do appear to be unified.

But you’ve shredded your own point – people have moved from the Coalition to One Nation, much further from the centre than Sussan’s Liberals. Keep going i say, until there’s a credible centre-right option, the Liberal brand is doomed.

Did you see what happened in the UK over the weekend ? 100,000 nationalists march for UK values. Today the Labour Prime Minister is being told by his own people he’s in the “last chance saloon”. Not much coincidence there.

We do not have a first past the post electoral system Penfold. Your first premise fails therefore your whole silly argument fails.

“Did you see what happened in the UK over the weekend ? 100,000 nationalists march for UK values. “

What are UK values Penfold? You can’t explain Australian values without sounding silly, so this should be good for a laugh.

Thanks to 2PP, compulsory voting and an educated population, Australian elections are won in the centre not on the extremes. Enjoy the Liberal Party’s descent into irrelevance as people like you seek to drag it to the far right where most sensible people don’t sit.

“Keep going i say, until there’s a credible centre-right option, the Liberal brand is doomed.”

I agree with Penfold that until a credible centre right option is available, the Liberal brand is doomed.

Strange then that he is constantly promoting ever further right wing policies. Policies, which if implemented as party policy, would assure that centre right option never exists.

Penfold the obvious left wing plant.