12 November 2025

Liberals gather in Canberra in desperate bid to break net-zero impasse

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Leader of the Australian Liberal Party, Sussan Ley MP

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley is under pressure from her own party over its position on net zero. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

Federal Liberal MPs are gathering in Canberra today (12 November) to nut out their position on net zero ahead of an upcoming meeting with the Nationals on the controversial policy issue.

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley is hoping to find some semblance of a consensus within her ranks amid heightened speculation that her job depends on it.

While no one is yet openly talking about challenging Ms Ley, there have been a number of threats from both pro and anti-net-zero Liberals that they would quit her front bench if they don’t get their way.

An emerging compromise in the Liberal camp is for the party to somehow retain its commitment to the Paris Agreement on carbon reduction targets without stipulating support for the net-zero emissions by 2050 goal.

Such a position would be much easier said than done, as any watering down of Australia’s emissions reduction regime would be in contravention of its international commitments.

However, with the Nationals having already withdrawn their support for net zero, the Liberals find themselves in a difficult position as they attempt to reach a Coalition agreement on energy policy.

This week’s meetings were not previously planned but were hastily scheduled due to pressure sparked by the Nationals’ move.

Liberal Party federal director Andrew Hirst will join Liberal MPs and Senators at Parliament House for their midday meeting to present market research on voters’ views on climate action.

Shadow energy minister Dan Tehan will also present the findings of his review of the policy, before all MPs and Senators are invited to share their views.

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Ms Ley and her shadow cabinet will then sign off on a final party position on Thursday (13 November) ahead of a negotiating meeting with the Nationals scheduled for late on Sunday (16 November).

Staunch anti-net-zero Nationals Senator Matt Canavan will be leading the junior Coalition party’s negotiations in the Sunday meeting.

Ahead of today’s Liberal get-together, a number of the party’s team members have been willing to express their positions on social media and in media interviews.

Frontbencher Tim Wilson took to X to say the Liberals would be nothing more than “Nationals-lite” if it dumped the commitment to net zero.

“Today is going to be a great day. Liberals face a choice,” he wrote.

“We can be Nationals-lite & outsource our emissions policy to globalists. Or we can lead, choose hope, a sovereign target, build energy, reindustrialise Australia & back small business!

“Welcome to Liberal country.”

South Australian Senator Leah Blyth described the outcome of her party’s meeting as the “million-dollar question”, but she doesn’t personally think the net-zero commitment is worth keeping.

“It will certainly be a very good process for us to have a genuine debate and come up with a position that’s in the best interests of the Australian people,” she told ABC radio.

“I think all of my colleagues are absolutely in favour of us doing our bit and to certainly have the minimal impact that we can on our natural environment.

“I think the really important thing is everyone in the Coalition is committed to doing what’s right for our economy, for the environment and for the Australian people … I don’t think that we can be stewards of the environment if we can’t afford it.”

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Liberal frontbencher Melissa McIntosh would also like to see the net-zero position dumped in favour of a more “pragmatic” approach to climate change and energy policy.

She wants the Coalition to include nuclear power in the energy mix.

“We’re not anti-environment. We’re pro-reality,” Ms McIntosh said.

“I think it’s important for us to play our role as a nation when it comes to reducing emissions and looking after our environment.

“We need to have a pragmatic medium-term and long-term [policy]. In the long term, we should be looking at nuclear as an option.

“We want to power AI and have data centres here in Australia.”

Liberals converging on Canberra since Tuesday have also, when asked, expressed support for Ms Ley’s leadership regardless of the meeting’s outcome.

Shadow attorney-general Andrew Wallace was full of praise for the Opposition Leader.

“I think Sussan is doing a very good job under extraordinarily difficult circumstances,” he said.

“After coming off two election defeats, I think it is the toughest job in Australian politics right now, and I think she’s cool and calm under pressure.”

Angus Taylor, who was defeated by Ms Ley for the Liberal Party leadership following May’s federal election, said he had no plans to mount a challenge.

“I am very confident we will move to apply Liberal values to solve the problem of getting emissions down and, most importantly, making sure that life is affordable again for Australians,” Mr Taylor said.

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Australia achieving net zero will have no effect whatsoever on the climate. Nil. Zilch.
Climate is always changing, irrespective of what humans do or don’t do. The evidence for natural climate change is in the ice ages and measured changes in temperature over centuries. Only small minded humans think they can influence the climate, or that the climate will ever stop changing, or do the bidding of politicians and jet-in jet-out climate conference delegates.
Take for example declining water levels in the Caspian Sea. The Caspian Sea in Central Asia is the world’s largest inland body of water by area and accounts for 40–44% of the total lake waters of the world,
Green.org: “The primary driver of this decline is climate-induced evaporation. Rising global temperatures have led to increased water loss, particularly during the warmer months.”
According to a report in Pravda.ru (not a right wing think-tank, so maybe a credible source for net zero zealots), the Caspian Sea level is falling because of climate warming, reduced rainfall, and decreased river inflow.
“Can the drying up be stopped? No. It is a natural process governed by climate; human measures cannot alter the balance between evaporation and inflow.” https://english.pravda.ru/science/164601-caspian-sea-shrinking-ecology/

Will the Liberal Party’s decision on net zero reverse the falling level of the Caspian Sea? Not at all. Totally irrelevant, inconsequential and of no effect on the inevitable natural cycle of global warming and cooling, warming and cooling. Climate change – always was, always will.

Even Penfold says he has moved on from this quaint old level of denialism, albeit by only a skerrick and not to any avail in any other respect.

“Australia achieving net zero will have no effect whatsoever on the climate. Nil. Zilch.”

Australia is a part of group of small countries that contribute about 40% of emissions. If we don’t do our bit then we can demand others do theirs.

I didn’t bother with the climate change denial nonsense because your first premise fails therefore your whole argument fails.

But cheer up Net Zero is at least cheaper.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-13/net-zero-iea-world-energy-report-emissions-cheaper-electricity/106000244

Well after seano posting the link from the CSIRO stating that 190.2 billion tonnes of CO₂ or 95.4% of emissions are “natural processes” and only 4.6% fossil fuel related, i’m not so sure ….

Oh I see you’ve gone back to climate change denial Penfold…lol

Comical.

Thats my vote gone and i know many more like me. The Liberals are unellectable

Their ABC and the PM are most upset that the Liberals are adopting a people-first climate change policy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-13/federal-politics-live-blog-nov-13/106002896

Person first you mean, or more correctly Gina first.

Reducing immigration to a more sustainable level would do more for the environment then net zero will ever do. Unfortunately both Labor and Liberal are stuck on the ponzi scheme.

None of that is true.

Capital Retro8:00 am 13 Nov 25

While you are in “none of that is true” mode Seano, tell me if it is true that global shipping and aircraft flights contribute 22% of global emissions.

Your logical fallacy here is a strawman argument Capital.

And it’s a weird one because it’s completely been pulled out of your…hat.

Well done to the Liberal party room, ditching net zero and all the wrecking ball falsehoods that come with it means we’ll have a better electoral contest in 2028. People now have a proper choice about their energy bills. The number $275 keeps buzzing in the background.

Hard to tell what this means for Sussan but you can bet one thing – the Coalition primary vote is heading upwards.

Yes, they do have a choice about their energy bills. They can recognise that the International Energy Agency (IEA), like AEMO, like CSIRO, like investors in energy generation in Australia, with their money on the line, and actions world wide, all agree that bills are already and will always be lower with renewables rather than by building or even maintaining beyond their life fossil-fuelled electricity.

Or they can follow the coal lobbies, like believing tobacco companies before them.

Changing to renewables also dramatically reduces global emissions and local pollution, our best chance of avoiding worse floods, fires, and storms from warming.

Net zero is simply the point where we are no longer making the climate worse. After that, we start to bring down emissions while powering still more from cleaner electricity.

None of that is true….well except maybe for the primary vote but only because it would be hard (but not impossible) for it to dip further.

Of course the Libs are doing their best to take their primary lower and we know from cooked far right wing state parties that they can do it if they put their tiny little minds to it.

Meanwhile in reality:

“For advanced economies, the World Energy Report clearly finds that following a pathway to net zero emissions by 2050 is the best way to deliver lower household bills.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-13/net-zero-iea-world-energy-report-emissions-cheaper-electricity/106000244

Looking forward to your conspiracy theory themed non-reply.

Axon you keep refusing to answer the one question the Liberals have now answered – if renewables are cheaper why do they need handouts ?

Perhaps the IEA, CSIRO and AEMO could provide an answer.

And why does renewable investment keep falling despite the handouts ?

Thanks seano, I love that TAI analysis. They claim the PRRT, a tax, is a subsidy. Egg on face stuff, though you fell for it 🤣🐣

“hey claim the PRRT, a tax, is a subsidy. “

At no stage do they did this….but of course telling porkies is all you’ve got….nice that you always punctuate your porkies with emojis….saves punters time.

What they did say in the report you didn’t read before beclowning yourself again…

“The Petroleum Resource Rent Tax (PRRT) is levied on super profits generated from the sale of oil and gas. However, a range of concessions reduce the amount of PRRT paid by the industry, including credits for any tax losses, the use of a pricing method that undervalues gas, and deductions based on the value of project assets that can be carried forward and uplifted.”

Fake news from Penfold again.

The TAI does not state the PRRT is a tax, nor a subsidy.

It criticises the design of the PRRT in which concessions are provided to fossil fuel industries to the extent that the tax collects less than expected. Whether or not you agree with their critique of the design, they are entitled to argue this is an effective subsidy which should be corrected by reforming the tax, as happens with other taxes where holes are found. That correction process is one reason for complexity of the Tax Acts.

Penfold also ignores all other actual or effective subsidies listed, trying to divert people from realities.

More fake news from Penfold.

Renewable investment is rising globally, and strongly in Australia.

IEA, CSIRO and AEMO evaluate cost bases without regard for government incentives. All know that renewables are already and will always be cheaper. That is simply a function of economic facts in the electricity market, here and world-wide.

The government, recognising the urgent need to lower emissions in the face of global warming (acknowledged as true by Penfold) has budgetted incentives to speed up the transition to reduce emissions, independently from the fact that renewables are cheaper. That is why, for example, one of the relevant bodies is called the CLEAN Energy Finance Corporation (my emphasis).

Reality is that the Liberals have answered for their own irrelevance which is a pity because our system of government assumes an effective opposition rather than a bunch of hopelessly doddering fantasists.

Penfold why do coal miners get fuel rebate valued at billions per year to supply coal to power stations. If you want to cut all subsidies and the end user pay it do it. but dont make gernaral statments when you dont know what your talking about.

I for 1 am switching my vote to independant like i did last ellection. (first time i ever voted against liberals in 41 years. i know many like me. the libs just made themselves irelevent.

Axon “The TAI does not state the PRRT is a tax, nor a subsidy.”

Um, what do you think the “T” in Petroleum Resource Rent Tax stands for ?

The subsidy is the supposed “concession” where companies can deduct expenses from their tax liability assessment. Goodness gracious, that sounds like our progressive tax system 🙂

These TAI people haven’t much of a clue do they.

clarkea – they get the rebate, along with many others, because they’ve paid a tax they shouldn’t have. Be much simpler if they didn’t pay the tax in the first place.

Sorry, tax concession or subsidy. The rest I dealt with.

Sussan Ley is about to learn the same lesson that Malcolm Turnbull did. You cannot negotiate in good faith with people who don’t act in good faith.

After saving the Liberals post Abbott from a Shorten government, Turnbull should have told the far right ratbags to sling their hooks…instead he tried to negotiate and appease…and they attacked him relentlessly for it, from there it’s been a slow descent for the LNP into the chaos of far right wing politics of grievance, culture wars and working exclusively in the interests of very rich donors.

Australians vote so pushing culture wars BS cannot take a party as far here as it does in the US or the UK.

So Sussan who doesn’t have Turnbull’s post election win political capital is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Have rational policies whilst being white anted by the far right rat bags or give into the lunacy and ultimately irrelevancy.

Mr Turnbull (otherwise known as Mr ‘Turncoat’) was “Labor in Liberal clothing” – the slow descent has been caused by the Liberal Party harbouring traitors within their ranks (those who are more in step with the policies of the Labor Party, and who misunderstand the term “shadow minister” – seemingly thinking it to mean they must ‘shadow’ what the respective minister does). If people want a Labor Government they’ll vote for the real deal, not an imitation.

““Labor in Liberal clothing” ….no he wasn’t.

The rest of your comment is equally silly.

The claim they are “pro reality” is a joke. Whether they believe climate change is real or not and whether they believe net zero is achievable or not, is irreverent. They are not facing reality if they are not listening to the electorate. The reality is a significant proportion of the electorate are concerned about environmental issues enough for it to be a election factor. If the Coalition doesn’t want to be in opposition for ever, it needs to have a environmental policy that demonstrates it is listening to voters and to scientists. Policy dictated by self appointed experts who arrogantly decide they know more than everyone without explanation or justification of their conclusions, is treating the electorate with contempt.

As a life long Liberal supporter I say with a heavy heart that I will never vote for a party that does not support Net Zero. I’m not saying that the net zero policy is perfect because its far from it but its better than doing nothing.

I will need to find an Independent that aligns with my way of thinking I know several people like me and the Libs will became unelectable.

Capital Retro4:30 pm 13 Nov 25

You keep repeating yourself, clarklea.

Good luck with your quest to find an independent not aligned with the left.

Climate change is neither a left nor right position it’s a fact of science, what we do about it is a fact of economics & technology. Unfortunately far right populists don’t deal in facts which is why they’re doomed to failure.

I suppose they could join the nats and ditch net zero. It will cause a big song and dance amongst a particular contingency. However, it isn’t really a putting forth an alternative policy but rather just being against a current one. This is why they will remain in opposition because that’s all they do, oppose. Hint: you have to release an alternative plan or a better one, or something resembling anything.

its a Trumpism living in the past thinking nothing ever has to change.

Liberals gather to see if they want to further sink into oblivion.

Honestly, of all the things they could attack the government on, they really know how to pick the worst battles.

Stephen Saunders10:20 am 12 Nov 25

Net Zero is a distraction, when Albanese has delivered all-time immigration, all-time rental and housing pain, punishing energy prices for industry and consumers.

These verities should be the focus of the opposition “attack”. Instead, Ley, O’Brien, Bragg, and Tehan, are falling over themselves, appeasing the government line and playing nice.

Immigration collapsed with Covid, peaked in recovery after Covid, and is now back to a normal rate.

The rest is also nonsense.

Quite the alternative universe you live in.

Correct. Immigration is all time high

Henry, your knowledge of numbers is negligible.

Australian attitudes to net zero are sinking faster than media coverage of the COP meetings. And even those who still support it aren’t prepared to pay money to support it.

Net zero means a lower standard of living, higher power prices, higher unemployment, industry shutting down and barely any benefit to global temperatures.

Let’s hope sanity prevails and the Liberals follow the Nationals and many around the world and ditch it. It might even save Sussan.

But nothing is going to save the Paris agreement.

None of that is true. Repeating his fantasies seems to help Penfold through his day.

Sorry to break it to you Axon, every bit is true. And good on the Liberals for today ditching the crazy thing. The 2028 election just came alive !

Capital Retro9:06 am 13 Nov 25

If Australia wants to emulate what happens in Paris it has to go nuclear because that’s where France gets 70% of its energy – and it is (drum roll) Emission Free.

Labor, through its support for the Paris manifesto is at the same time is being hypocritical because it does not allow nuclear energy to be part of Australia’s future (emission free) energy needs.

I would venture to say that we are facing a cold, bleak future.

A piece of seasoned firewood will be worth more that a loaf of bread.

Capital Retro, you are already powered by renewables. The massive country China is more than half powered by renewables. Nothing in the Paris agreement (it was not a manifesto, do you have communist leanings?) says nuclear, and investment action proves it.

Penfold, you have been demonstrated to be wrong repeatedly and comprehensively, with evidence, and again by the IEA today.

You bring nothing but your fantastical beliefs to be shot down again. Drone on.

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