The Assange vigil and booklet

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

That would be true. But there don’t appear to be any of those around here. Just a few who refuse to worship The Lord Julian and believe he is just a man and should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us. I realise that is blasphemy to you and your kind.

Tell me, are the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom part of the conspiracy? Are they taking their orders from Alan Jones as well?

Is that why The Lord Julian does not have to comply with their legal rulings?

Does He only have to go along with court rulings that He personally approves of?

Or only ones that you approve of?

I’m pretty sure you are the only one elevating him to lord and godly status.

You really do have difficulty reading and comprehending others posts, don’t you?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

That would be true. But there don’t appear to be any of those around here. Just a few who refuse to worship The Lord Julian and believe he is just a man and should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us. I realise that is blasphemy to you and your kind.

Tell me, are the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom part of the conspiracy? Are they taking their orders from Alan Jones as well?

Is that why The Lord Julian does not have to comply with their legal rulings?

Does He only have to go along with court rulings that He personally approves of?

Or only ones that you approve of?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Duffbowl said :

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

When it comes to conspiracy theories, neither the left nor the right has soul custody.

Putting on my helmet of perceived aggression, with its most fetching bird of paradise feathers, I hope you’re not pushing me into the “right wing nut” camp, CGN. I was pointing out an opinion piece, written by a respected lawyer from the left in the UK, that undermined the most frequently heard accusations from Assange supporters about why it’s a conspiracy.

On a personal note, I don’t know whether Assange committed rape or not. It seems that the Swedes have followed their legal processes, as well as those of the EU. If the Yanks really wanted him, they would have asked the Poms. The UK has handed over suspects before with less evidence provided for similar offences; what would stop the US from doing the same now?

Duffbowl said :

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

The matters surrounding the charges seem a little sketchy given CIA involvement. I wouldn’t pretend to know what actually happened.

Unfortunately its a charge that has been leveled at whistle blowers in the past and one which can easily damage the credibility of anyone its levelled at.

Regardless of what you think about Assange and Wikileaks – the whole situation seems a little too convenient

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

Gee, I wonder why his expensive and highly qualified legal didn’t use this argument? It seems like such a game winner.

Oh wait… They did. It was argued more eloquently and with more examples of precedence than you could ever hope to.

The court ruled upon it. I hazard a guess that they are slightly more qualified than you at interpreting international law. Guess what? They dismissed that argument.

But what would judges know hey? They are just mortal after all . Not like Julian.

I don’t really think anyone is more qualified than me about anything.

IMHO the world needs the likes of Assange. He is an extremist. The US military machine is also extremist. It is rare to find an organisation powerful enough to balance their power.

Clearly mistakes were made in publishing individuals names and a heavy cost was paid…but….what is the cost of not exposing the failings of the US military actions in foriegn countries. “collateral murder’ was enough to convince me of the value of Assanges actions.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

Gee, I wonder why his expensive and highly qualified legal didn’t use this argument? It seems like such a game winner.

Oh wait… They did. It was argued more eloquently and with more examples of precedence than you could ever hope to.

The court ruled upon it. I hazard a guess that they are slightly more qualified than you at interpreting international law. Guess what? They dismissed that argument.

But what would judges know hey? They are just mortal after all . Not like Julian.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

post numbers: 2,4,9,12,17.

Your turn.

Funny! Really.Those are your examples? Sad.

Anyway I’m bored now and typing on my phone is annoying.

I’ll leave you with posts 30 & 36 where you clearly suggest that Assange should be held above the laws of mere mortals and not have to comply with them.

I might discuss further later, or might not .

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

CGN, I highly recommend you read the article Duffbowl provided us:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

post numbers: 2,4,9,12,17.

Your turn.

Funny! Really.Those are your examples? Sad.

Anyway I’m bored now and typing on my phone is annoying.

I’ll leave you with posts 30 & 36 where you clearly suggest that Assange should be held above the laws of mere mortals and not have to comply with them.

I might discuss further later, or might not .

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

post numbers: 2,4,9,12,17.

Your turn.

Funny! Really.Those are your examples? Sad.

Anyway I’m bored now and typing on my phone is annoying.

I’ll leave you with posts 30 & 36 where you clearly suggest that Assange should be held above the laws of mere mortals and not have to comply with them.

I might discuss further later, or might not .

The meanderings of the Assange apologists are interesting. Apparently, if someone is subject to extradition on a serious offence (they don’t do it for shoplifting) – that person should not be extradited, but should be allowed a taxpayer funded videoconference instead. Especially if they are Freedom Fighter, Julian Assange.

Also, the fact that the Freedom Fighter for information dissemination has skipped bail to hole up in the embassy of a country that routinely closes down and persecutes dissident media outlets is irrelevant. The fact that this country does not have extradition treaties with the relevant countries is purely coincidental.

He still believes in freedom with every fibre of his being!

The media outlets and celebrities who were gulled by Assange are too embarrassed to admit it. They made him into a superstar, but the truth is he is just a middle-aged bar creep who had 15 seconds of fame.

post numbers: 2,4,9,12,17.

Your turn.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.?.

Really? Where?

Have you read any of this thread besides my own posts?

Yes I have. I invite you again to point out where this has been said ( or even inferred).

If you could do it without claiming anyone who refuses to indulge in your pseudo-religious messiah/hero worship of Assange is ‘ignorant’ it would be most appreciated.

Can you please re-read this thread and educate yourself. the posts i am talking about are clear.

Can you also please show me where i said he is my hero or messiah?

Well we could go round in circles if you want. You made an outlandish comment, two people have asked you to back it up and the best you can come up with is ‘its obvious…your’re ignorant’ Ok. So you can’t point it out, because it doesn’t exist. Thanks.

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.?.

Really? Where?

Have you read any of this thread besides my own posts?

Yes I have. I invite you again to point out where this has been said ( or even inferred).

If you could do it without claiming anyone who refuses to indulge in your pseudo-religious messiah/hero worship of Assange is ‘ignorant’ it would be most appreciated.

Can you please re-read this thread and educate yourself. the posts i am talking about are clear.

Can you also please show me where i said he is my hero or messiah?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.?.

Really? Where?

Have you read any of this thread besides my own posts?

Yes I have. I invite you again to point out where this has been said ( or even inferred).

If you could do it without claiming anyone who refuses to indulge in your pseudo-religious messiah/hero worship of Assange is ‘ignorant’ it would be most appreciated.

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.?.

Really? Where?

Have you read any of this thread besides my own posts?

Besides all the bad behaviour, Assange is a fantasist and his word is not to be trusted. eg I have his autobiography, and he claims to be descended from a Torres Strait Islander. The way this “genius” thinks he can get away with ascribing his genetic inheritance to his stepfather Brett Assange (and he is continuing the lie to this day!) is pretty indicative of someone delusional. Do these “vigil” people also think that falsely claiming Indigenous ancestry is fine?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.?.

Really? Where?

Duffbowl said :

I think a few people need to look at the New Statesman blog to understand some of the legalities around Assange.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

From that entry, you get the following:
– The alleged actions are considered rape by English law standards.
– It will be more difficult to extradite Assange from Sweden, as under EU standards, both Sweden and the UK would have to consent.
– Assange is not wanted for questioning, the Swedes wish to arrest him. That’s how their legal system works. They arrest, then charge, then prosecute.

As for the author, have a quick read of his Wikipedia bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Allen_Green

Now now Duffbowl, don’t go spoiling it by quoting someone who actually knows what he is talking about. David Green is obviously just a nerd/derf Hadley listener.

(Loved that line about ‘zombie facts’)

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Deckard said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And RE: Hadley/jones comment, it’s in relation to people ignorantly saying *DUHHHH U MESSED WITH MERIKA NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES DERRRRR*

Who said that? I just read back through the comments and couldn’t see it. Keep on back peddling.

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.

Keep on keeping ignorant though.

Not ignorant, just realistic. The guy’s done some good stuff, but he sure as hell ain’t the messiah…

And he’s a hypocrite. http://www.hrw.org/americas/ecuador

Deckard said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And RE: Hadley/jones comment, it’s in relation to people ignorantly saying *DUHHHH U MESSED WITH MERIKA NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES DERRRRR*

Who said that? I just read back through the comments and couldn’t see it. Keep on back peddling.

It’s been said 3 or 4 times.

Keep on keeping ignorant though.

I think a few people need to look at the New Statesman blog to understand some of the legalities around Assange.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

From that entry, you get the following:
– The alleged actions are considered rape by English law standards.
– It will be more difficult to extradite Assange from Sweden, as under EU standards, both Sweden and the UK would have to consent.
– Assange is not wanted for questioning, the Swedes wish to arrest him. That’s how their legal system works. They arrest, then charge, then prosecute.

As for the author, have a quick read of his Wikipedia bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Allen_Green

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And RE: Hadley/jones comment, it’s in relation to people ignorantly saying *DUHHHH U MESSED WITH MERIKA NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES DERRRRR*

Who said that? I just read back through the comments and couldn’t see it. Keep on back peddling.

Tetranitrate said :

More to the point, they could have questioned him in the UK while he was under house arrest fighting the extradition. That was always on the table but the Swedes refused.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

To be wanted for questioning and to be charged with something are completely different things. One can be done via video link and the other needs to be done in person.
Both rape charges seem suspicious considering they only came to light after one woman was visited by a CIA agent who then in turn visited the other woman and convinced her to make the allegations aswell.
If he did do what has been accused, then sure, lock him up in a Swedish gaol, but the Swedish government needs to make its intentions clear. Either state you want him to be charged in full for the alleged offences, otherwise just video link questioning. Pretty simple really.

By no means should he be extradited to America.

Btw I think assange is creepy as, but he has done great work with wiki leaks.

And RE: Hadley/jones comment, it’s in relation to people ignorantly saying *DUHHHH U MESSED WITH MERIKA NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES DERRRRR*

I have heard both those half wits say something similar only to then hear it parroted by uninformed and ignorants.

I guess that is my stance. Do you need to know anything else, dr koresh?

No, no, that sums it up quite well. I was unaware of both the CIA involvement and the Swede’s refusal to send investigators to Britain. I didn’t mean to sound confrontational, so I’m sorry if I came off like that.

I don’t think sitting in the Ecuadorian embassy is helping his case much, but if he is indeed at real risk of being taken to the U.S for wikileaks rather than Sweden for the alleged sexual assualts then I suppose there isn’t much else he can do until he gets a guarantee from the both Sweden and the U.K that he won’t be given to America instead.

To be wanted for questioning and to be charged with something are completely different things. One can be done via video link and the other needs to be done in person.
Both rape charges seem suspicious considering they only came to light after one woman was visited by a CIA agent who then in turn visited the other woman and convinced her to make the allegations aswell.
If he did do what has been accused, then sure, lock him up in a Swedish gaol, but the Swedish government needs to make its intentions clear. Either state you want him to be charged in full for the alleged offences, otherwise just video link questioning. Pretty simple really.

By no means should he be extradited to America.

Btw I think assange is creepy as, but he has done great work with wiki leaks.

And RE: Hadley/jones comment, it’s in relation to people ignorantly saying *DUHHHH U MESSED WITH MERIKA NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES DERRRRR*

I have heard both those half wits say something similar only to then hear it parroted by uninformed and ignorants.

I guess that is my stance. Do you need to know anything else, dr koresh?

DrKoresh said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

If all they want to do is question, then why not via video link?

Would you want the AFP doing interrogations over the phone in relation to violent crimes? Come on man, I know you can do better than that.

More to the point, they could have questioned him in the UK while he was under house arrest fighting the extradition. That was always on the table but the Swedes refused.

If the allegations are true, it was pretty serious sexual misconduct: forcing sex without a condom by surprise, on a sleeping woman – possibly by deliberately tearing said condom. She had made it very clear that she insisted on protected sex. If Julian Assange did indeed do that, it’s very likely he was a very serious sexually transmitted disease risk, and knew it.

And for the record I have never heard Ray Hadley, and have only listened to Alan Jones sporadically (perhaps four times) in a work context.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

If all they want to do is question, then why not via video link?

Would you want the AFP doing interrogations over the phone in relation to violent crimes? Come on man, I know you can do better than that.

drfelonious said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It appears there is a lot of uninformed, ignorant and clues less jones/Hadley listeners here.

Gross.

Mate – I know it is tempting to see the world in black and white, but it is lazy thinking. The world is not simply divided into Assange supporters on one side and Ray Hadley/Alan Jones listeners on the other. I, for one, happen to dislike both camps because both Assange supporters and wingnut radio jock audiences share the same traits of lazy thinking and easy stereotyping.

Well said, I tend to find myself nodding in agreement with you in many matters CGN, but I have to agree with my fellow doctor in the house on this one and I’m a little offended you would lump me in with the likes of Mr,G and Alan Jones.

While I applaud Wikileaks and agree it was rather damaging for America, I’m seriously sceptical of the idea that the U.S is planning to secretly abduct Assange from Sweden. The damage has been done, already, it would only hurt their image further to doggedly persecute him.

Why don’t you want to see Julian Assange face trial for the alleged sexual assault of a minor is my question? The issue is entirely separate from Wikileaks. People have brought-up the excellent point that he’d be far less likely to be extradited to the U.S from Sweden than he would be in the U.K.

Can you elaborate on your position for me? I really didn’t think you were the type to let an alleged rapist escape justice.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

breda said :

drfelonious is right. FYI, I have never listened to either Jones or Hadley – don’t even know which stations they are on.

As for Sweden being the US’ “number one lackey”, it seems odd that Assange felt quite comfortable spending quite a bit of time there and using it as party central if that is the case. His presence there was no secret. Only now that he faces questioning – not arrest, just questioning – over alleged sexual offences is he suddenly in fear of his life if he returns.

If all they want to do is question, then why not via video link?

Why didn’t he have sex via video link?

CGN, he is not special. He should be subject to the same procedures as anyone else.

breda said :

drfelonious is right. FYI, I have never listened to either Jones or Hadley – don’t even know which stations they are on.

As for Sweden being the US’ “number one lackey”, it seems odd that Assange felt quite comfortable spending quite a bit of time there and using it as party central if that is the case. His presence there was no secret. Only now that he faces questioning – not arrest, just questioning – over alleged sexual offences is he suddenly in fear of his life if he returns.

If all they want to do is question, then why not via video link?

breda said :

drfelonious is right. FYI, I have never listened to either Jones or Hadley – don’t even know which stations they are on.

As for Sweden being the US’ “number one lackey”, it seems odd that Assange felt quite comfortable spending quite a bit of time there and using it as party central if that is the case. His presence there was no secret. Only now that he faces questioning – not arrest, just questioning – over alleged sexual offences is he suddenly in fear of his life if he returns.

Indeed – as is his wont, he was partying with politicians and jetsetters in Sweden as a leftie celebrity.

The 4 Corners program ‘Sex, Lies and Julian Assange’ is also very informative. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/07/19/3549280.htm

drfelonious is right. FYI, I have never listened to either Jones or Hadley – don’t even know which stations they are on.

As for Sweden being the US’ “number one lackey”, it seems odd that Assange felt quite comfortable spending quite a bit of time there and using it as party central if that is the case. His presence there was no secret. Only now that he faces questioning – not arrest, just questioning – over alleged sexual offences is he suddenly in fear of his life if he returns.

The facts speak for themselves. Check them out here: http://wlcentral.org/node/1418
Assange is also supported by Malcolm Fraser http://wlcentral.org/node/2784.

schmeah said :

bigfeet said :

Man-up, face the sexual assault charges. It’s Sweden for God’s sake. You couldn’t ask for a more liberal democracy to face court in.

Clearly someone who fails to grasp the political reality of Sweden’s status as the Scandinavia’s number 1 US lackey state. The US relations with Sweden are an amplified version of our own.

How do you figure that?

Or did you read it on fairgo4rapists.com?

bigfeet said :

Man-up, face the sexual assault charges. It’s Sweden for God’s sake. You couldn’t ask for a more liberal democracy to face court in.

Clearly someone who fails to grasp the political reality of Sweden’s status as the Scandinavia’s number 1 US lackey state. The US relations with Sweden are an amplified version of our own.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It appears there is a lot of uninformed, ignorant and clues less jones/Hadley listeners here.

Gross.

Mate – I know it is tempting to see the world in black and white, but it is lazy thinking. The world is not simply divided into Assange supporters on one side and Ray Hadley/Alan Jones listeners on the other. I, for one, happen to dislike both camps because both Assange supporters and wingnut radio jock audiences share the same traits of lazy thinking and easy stereotyping.

ScienceRules said :

breda said :

The narcissistic creep is not in jail – although perhaps he should be.

As for the extradition/rendition brouhaha, it’s crap. The UK has an extradition treaty with the US, so they could have tried long before any of this happened.

I love how his supporters coughed up thousands of quid for his bail money, because he was such a nice guy and honourable person, and then when he skipped they tried to get their money back. It says it all about both him and his over-entitled fans – the rules are only for the plebs.

I think you’ll find most of his supporters rally because of what he and WikiLeaks do and couldn’t give a rats bum about whether he’s a “nice guy” or even an “honourable person”. From the interviews I’ve heard he doesn’t sound like someone I’d be comfortable having around to dinner, but I think what he does is necessary and moral.

And do you think a judge presiding over a rape trial should see it that way also? That the work he does is ‘necessary and moral’, and therefore obliged to pardon him?

Assange advocates need to learn separate an institution (Wikileaks) from an individual (Assange).

You may like Wikileaks, but that does not mean it’s founder can break laws that are completely unrelated to effective running of his organisation.

Jim Jones said :

Ah yes, the “crime” of embarrassing people in power. Very serious, we can’t have that. Lock them up away from human eyes and torture them.

Embarrassing for the people in Iraq who were informants working for the US and had their names published. I’m sure them and their families just died of embarrassment.

Whistleblowing evidence of US war crimes is good. Giving out the names of those who secretly helped the US is terrible and has probably led to their deaths.

And I seriously doubt that IF he was extradited to the US they’d send him off to be tortured or never to be seen again. Especially given the high profile of the case. He’s not some taliban fighter that no one will care if he disappears.

ScienceRules said :

I think you’ll find most of his supporters rally because of what he and WikiLeaks do and couldn’t give a rats bum about whether he’s a “nice guy” or even an “honourable person”. From the interviews I’ve heard he doesn’t sound like someone I’d be comfortable having around to dinner, but I think what he does is necessary and moral.

What he does is moral? Yeah right, except in the case where it’s laws or legal authority that applies to him directly, which he then chooses to ignore! While we mightn’t agree with the Swedish rule of law, he has been alleged to have committed a crime under Swedish law and the Swedish authorities want to question him in Sweden. Using the excuse that he can’t go to Sweden because the ‘evil’ Americians want to arrest him is a sign of a cowardly, weak & lame individual and is just plain wrong. In my eyes, until he faces the Swedish authorities, Assange is nothing but a creepy sexual predator.

While I will admit that some of the information Wikileaks released has been worth airing, all the good work has been more than undone by Assange’s personality defects.

astrojax said :

ask david hicks.

David Hicks? Antisemite and Taliban supporter? What does he have to contribute to the world?

breda said :

The narcissistic creep is not in jail – although perhaps he should be.

As for the extradition/rendition brouhaha, it’s crap. The UK has an extradition treaty with the US, so they could have tried long before any of this happened.

I love how his supporters coughed up thousands of quid for his bail money, because he was such a nice guy and honourable person, and then when he skipped they tried to get their money back. It says it all about both him and his over-entitled fans – the rules are only for the plebs.

I think you’ll find most of his supporters rally because of what he and WikiLeaks do and couldn’t give a rats bum about whether he’s a “nice guy” or even an “honourable person”. From the interviews I’ve heard he doesn’t sound like someone I’d be comfortable having around to dinner, but I think what he does is necessary and moral.

Assange is obviously prolonging the inevitable given he can’t stay cooped up in the embassy forever.It’s time to come out and face the music for there are and need to be consequences for his actions regardless of whether we on RA think he’s a hero or villain.

It appears there is a lot of uninformed, ignorant and clues less jones/Hadley listeners here.

Gross.

The narcissistic creep is not in jail – although perhaps he should be.

As for the extradition/rendition brouhaha, it’s crap. The UK has an extradition treaty with the US, so they could have tried long before any of this happened.

I love how his supporters coughed up thousands of quid for his bail money, because he was such a nice guy and honourable person, and then when he skipped they tried to get their money back. It says it all about both him and his over-entitled fans – the rules are only for the plebs.

vg said :

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

VG, he released information documenting war crimes committed by US forces against civilians and others. How is that in any way a bad thing?

The US is involved in two illegal, immoral wars and is being called on the lies that maintain the fantasy that what is happening is in any way “just”. Manning has been held in solitary confinement, tortured and denied a trial for years now. Is this the sort of society we want to live in?

I thought that the western, “civilised” world was better than that.

vg said :

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

Ah yes, the “crime” of embarrassing people in power. Very serious, we can’t have that. Lock them up away from human eyes and torture them.

vg said :

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

Couldn’t agree more.

I would love to see him prosecuted for what he has done. Its a pity Australia is too gutless to take action.

vg said :

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

in due respect, these ‘clowns’ released information that the government [usa] had clasified – but why did they do that? did they have a right to do so? shouldn’t the people, for whom they govern, have a right to know? as for hiding from the consequences of his actions – perhaps he is hiding from the likelihood of excessive retribution from a government who is cowering from the truth and the fact they withheld information to which their citizens should be privvy. i know i would. ask david hicks.

No sympathy from me for a guy who has no concern at all for anyone else but himself. Who knows how many Afghanis and Iraqis have died as a consequence of information released by Wikileaks, due to the rush to release it all before it was fully checked to see that all names had been removed?

And really, if the US wanted Assmange wouldn’t you think they’d have nabbed him at any time before he gained ‘political asylum’ in the Ecuador embassy? I mean it wouldn’t have been that hard – most of the media knew where he was ‘hiding’, so it would have been pretty easy for a SEAL team to take him down.

The guy is a arrogant pig who is only interested in creating his own cult of personality; he should man up and face the music in Sweden.

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Big feet and masquara. Wow, really are ignorant, huh?
It’s not the Swedish court he is hiding fom.

If the US wanted to extradite him why wouldn’t they do it through a country that is one of their greatest allies and has also been harmed by wikileaks and is likely to support their application for extradition? Like the UK for example.

Sweden has one of the most liberal and open democracies in the world. It would be extremely unlikely that they would hand him over.

He has much less to fear by going there than staying in the UK.

Big feet and masquara. Wow, really are ignorant, huh?
It’s not the Swedish court he is hiding fom.

bigfeet said :

Free him from what?

He is the one who locked himself up in an embassy. He can walk out whenever he likes.

Man-up, face the sexual assault charges. It’s Sweden for God’s sake. You couldn’t ask for a more liberal democracy to face court in.

Bigfeet, I think his claim for asylum in Ecuador has little to do with the Swedish charges of sexual assault and is more about the liklihood of his extradition to the US from which he’s unlikely to ever be freed from prison.

His obvious personality flaws aside, the support for Assange is based in the notion of freedom of information and speech that the US seems to revile on a world scale right now. At least that’s the basis of my feelings anyhow.

bigfeet said :

Free him from what?

He is the one who locked himself up in an embassy. He can walk out whenever he likes.

Man-up, face the sexual assault charges. It’s Sweden for God’s sake. You couldn’t ask for a more liberal democracy to face court in.

Colour me cynical, but if he actually went to Sweden I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Mr Assange was mysteriously renditioned from there to the USA via a long and painful detour to Egypt featuring water, boards and electrodes on the testicles.

I know that scenario isn’t super likely, but it wouldn’t surprise me. And if he went to Sweden I’d actually bet on him ending up in the USA one way or another, with or without the waterboarding and electrode action.

Far more likely though is that Mr Assange will simply commit “suicide” or die of “natural causes” before too long. There’ll be a bit of a kerfuffle, wild accusations will be thrown around and then he’ll be gone and quickly forgotten.

Man up & face the Swedish courts. This religiously-motifed hagiography by Assange’s moronic groupies around the heavily compromised (human rights dialogue regarding Ecuador, anyone?) little narcissistic sh*t is nauseating.

“actfowl”. LOL. Poultry fanciers must be bitter they missed out on that address.

Free him from what?

He is the one who locked himself up in an embassy. He can walk out whenever he likes.

Man-up, face the sexual assault charges. It’s Sweden for God’s sake. You couldn’t ask for a more liberal democracy to face court in.

Lol – that’ll work…