7 March 2025

Trump's treachery leaves a lonely Australia in a perilous position

| Ian Bushnell
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President Trump and Vice-President Vance berate Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the Oval Office. And Ukraine is an ally. Photo: White House.

It is somewhat ironic that after decades of a significant portion of Australians being irritated or outright hostile to the American alliance, when it actually becomes clear that Uncle Sam won’t necessarily come to our aid, it suddenly feels very lonely at the bottom of the world.

US President and Godfather Donald Trump’s recent antics have jolted Australians into realising that the Yanks may not be coming if needed.

The Europeans have had to digest zingers such as ‘You can forget NATO’, while Ukraine’s Churchillian war leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been publicly humiliated in the most excruciating way and the screws turned with the weapons and intelligence tap turned off to force him to cut a deal with the invader and Trump’s apparent strongman buddy Putin.

With friends like Trump and his unctuous toady JD Vance, who needs enemies?

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The US even voted with Russia against a UN resolution on the invasion of Ukraine, something that must have made Ronald Reagan turn in his grave.

The lesson for all to see is that the US can’t be trusted. Hell, we’re not even sure it’s still a liberal democracy that shares certain values with us anymore.

Yet our leaders keep up the pretence that the US is still our best friend, even if we get hit with Trump’s tariff stick.

Trump has trashed the rules-based order and alliances that the US established and maintained since the end of World War II that guaranteed stability through the Cold War and beyond.

The price was marching alongside in conflicts from Korea to Vietnam to Afghanistan to Iraq, not a completely illustrious roll call but one that we thought kept us safe beneath the US shield.

Now the standover merchant in chief is transacting business differently and sending jitters through Europe, Taiwan, and Japan, and this liberal democratic outpost is a long way from like-minded friends (sorry, NZ).

Only last week a task force of Chinese naval ships steamed into the Tasman Sea for a live firing exercise and then sailed around the continent in a show of force.

Now we have an imperial China projecting power into the region and an imperious Trump changing the rules at whim. AUKUS, what’s that?

Let’s hope DFAT has a Plan B or even C. Maybe it’s just wait the old blowhard out and hope for a return to saner times.

That would be wishful thinking.

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Unfortunately, this new paradigm will drive demands for greater defence spending, as is happening in the UK and Europe, which would eat into government programs and probably mean higher taxes to pay for it.

Yet, realistically Australia could spend mega bucks on defence (AUKUS is scary enough already) and still be at risk without alliances. That puts into the frame the unspeakable notion of acquiring our own nuclear deterrent, something that goes against every anti-proliferation grain in our being.

Other potential military allies in our neck of the woods would be rising India and Indonesia, but the only one that really counts is the US.

But what if America descends further into a quasi totalitarian oligarchic state that prefers to cut deals with the other gangsters and divide the globe into spheres of interest like the great powers of old.

Who will be worth protecting and who will be expendable? Will our rocks be enough?

Welcome to the new world disorder.

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Why doesn’t the mainstream media ever talk about the gangs going around Ukraine conscripting every 21 year old and forcing them to die on the frontline in a war they will never win.
Anyone supporting this war simply must look at the videos of kidnap and you’ll soon realise how stupid the media is.

@Ozzy_Oz
Yes it’s true, that the implementation of the conscription law, enacted by the Ukranian parliament, has not conformed to what those of us, sitting comfortably behind our monitors, 15,000 kms from this horrible conflict, would expect. Especially when we also know, that every Russian soldier has enthusiastically volunteered to go to the Ukraine to fight for the Motherland, in support of Comrade Putin’s “special military operation” …. Oh wait.

Perhaps you should remove the “MAGA BS only” filter from your news feeds and remember why this conflict began and what the people of the Ukraine are trying to defend … their right to their own sovereignity from Putin’s megalomaniac ambitions.

Now, you can swallow Trump’s twisted, self serving, rhetoric as much as you like – but please don’t perpetuate your support. for him wanting to deliver the Ukraine to his mate (Putin), on here, and expect others to swallow that cr*p.

Another standard unhinged rebuttal of points that were never made from JS. True to form. 🤣

That’s a lot of Trump derangement syndrome over somebody pointing out the truth and not mentioning the bad orange man even once.

You’re surprised by the decline of America… How, exactly?
It isn’t merely a Trump phenomenon, either, lacking corrective action that congress is too gridlocked to do – it’s been on a timer for some time now.

Main problem is rather than preparing for it, we’ve been sucking up.

Keating’s been banging on about this strategic space for as long as it’s been evolving, and yeah, surprised?

Point the first, we don’t need to aggro China. South China Sea, why are we denying their territorial claims again?
Because it’s “international law”?
China wasn’t at the table when said “international law” was drawn up, there is no mystery as to why there’s a standing difference of opinion.
And for the few areas where “they were”, no, Taiwan was at the table.

Taiwan is another thorny one, actually, same principle holds though.

We don’t need to aggro the regional superpower.

And we also need a bigger stick.

If I remember correctly, China is a signatory to the UNCLOS, and the US is not. This means that China was (and still is) at the table. And it is not just China’s territorial claims in the SCS that should be considered, it is also all the other nations around the SCS. Clearly, from your post, you simply want to replace one regional power with another – be careful what you wish for because you might actually get it.

No, I’d prefer the regional power replacing America be us.
But we don’t have the economy, the manufacturing, the manpower to do it.

So where some foreign interest ebbs, another flows.

Don’t love Gyna, but reality is we didn’t set ourselves up to be independent of sucking a superpower tit even when the writing was on the wall 30 years ago.

Do _not_ love it but we must play the hand we’re dealt.

HiddenDragon9:39 pm 07 Mar 25

Putin has his Peter the Great (with a touch of Catherine the Great) delusions and Trump has his Great Game delusions.

Time, and the much greater economic and industrial power of Europe will deal with Putin and his gang. A broadly similar fate awaits Trump’s cunning plan to get Putin on side (what could possibly go wrong…..?) against the godless Chinese commies (or words to that effect).

Our best bet is probably to get very busy with those highly sought after “raw earths”, continue making ourselves so dinky-di down to earth and lovable that middle America couldn’t possibly contemplate abandoning us, and also working on a Plan B to AUKUS – lots of drones and missiles of all sorts and ranges.

As to what happened in the Oval Office last week, some Rioters might enjoy this – there’s nothing quite like New York patricians in full flight –

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/opinion/a-day-of-american-infamy.html

Michael Pless2:51 pm 07 Mar 25

An historic photo, I think. One is perhaps the first great leader of this century; the other is a cruel, vindictive, and petty despot. One is a man whose desperation to help his country’s citizens fight an oppressor knows no bounds; the other is a convicted criminal bent on punishing and persecuting his country’s citizens for exercising their rights at the polling booth. One is a grateful and dedicated ally; the other sees no alliances, only debts.” One is inspiring; the other is despicable.

@Michael Pless
Queue the usual deluded suspects, who will respond to your post with Trump as the “One (who) is inspiring”

@Michael Pless
PS Mind you Trump did “inspire” the Proud Boys on Jan 6th 🤔

Julie Lindner1:21 pm 07 Mar 25

Very well said!

CaptainSpiff11:40 am 07 Mar 25

Left wing ghouls want Ukraine war to go on forever. Do they have any clue how many young men have already died? How many more should die? For what?

It’s sickening to hear Western “leaders” clamor for more of this.

To Bushnell and the rest of the war-crazy left – if you want this conflict to continue, please send your own sons there to fight. Stop asking others to die.

@CaptainSpiff
Errr – you don’t think protecting the sovereign independence of one country, which has been trashed by a mad man from another country, is worth defending?

You may want to do some research into the ANZAC spirit and the reason Australia fought in two bloody WW conflicts.

CaptainSpiff5:02 pm 07 Mar 25

@JS You don’t even believe that crap yourself. If you were asked to volunteer in Ukraine you would disappear overnight. I doubt you would contribute a single dollar of your own
money. You are here grandstanding while kids are dying in ditches.

@CaptainSpiff
OMG are you serious? You think the ANZAC spirit and defending freedom is crap?

No doubt you just think the Ukraine people should just capitulate to Putin. Or perhaps you believe Trump was correct when he accused Zelenskyy of starting the war?

Nothing would make me happier than Putin ceasing his illegal expansionist policy. The fact that you think support for Ukraine’s sovereignty is a desire for the conflict to continue says more about you than me.

Oh btw – are you familiar with this link?
https://www.unicef.org.au/donate/ukraine-emergency-appeal
… because I am! Perhaps your next online activity should be a donation … or does your faux concern only apply to others?

Justsaying,
You’ve got to laugh at the parroted talking points that have been appearing after Daddy Trump decided that Ukraine were actually the bad guys. Almost like they’ve been made by thousands of social media bots.

The same rights wing supporters were frothing to go to war with Russia a few years ago, now suddenly it’s all a left wing plot and anyone that doesn’t personally volunteer is a hypocrite.

Particularly funny when Ukraine is mostly calling for monetary support and military weapons rather than soldiers.

CaptainSpiff12:50 pm 08 Mar 25

Telling yourself you’re for peace, while supporting an indefinite war. And as hundreds of thousands of young men die, you soothe your conscience by making a tax deductible donation. Wonderful. You and the rest of the pro-war cabal are truly pathetic.

Telling yourself you’re for peace whilst supporting a tyrant invading and annexing territory, which you laughably think he will stop doing if you continue doing what he wants.

Then parroting the propaganda of the fascists that’s being fed to you, with extraordinarily similar language to other posters because you’ve never had an original thought.

So pathetic that you actually think giving the aggressors what they want will stop the wasteful killing.

@CaptainSpiff
What’s truly pathetic is your faux compassion, which is just masking that fact that, like Trump, you just want to validate Putin’s illegal expansionism.

Decent people want to see an end to the war in the Ukraine, but only if the security of its citizens can be guaranteed. Obviously, as a disciple of Trump and Putin, you simply want what’s best for Russia, with scant regard for the Ukranian people.

Oh and as a self funded retiree, who paid tax on my super as it went into my account, I have no need for tax deductions. Yet again, the fact that you see such a donation as a tax deduction, says far more about you than me.

If you watch the whole interview it was going well until Vance interjected, Zelensky responded, then a fairly amiable Trump, up to that point, got hostile. Clearly Trump only wants to get a deal, irrespective of Putin’s lies, historical precedents, alliances etc… Trump doesn’t know or care about the past or the irony of saying that a defender risks war by resisting an attacker. Zelensky just needs to stand firm to gain a better bargaining position with Trump/Putin. Churchill said, America can always be counted on to do the right thing – after it has tried all other possibilities.

If you don’t like the alliance with America (“Hell, we’re not even sure it’s still a liberal democracy that shares certain values with us anymore”), then you have no place in feeling disgruntled that it won’t help.

This is just the same as a certain group of people – who I can’t name because Australia is so free and democratic and because this certain group is so strong and independent – saying they hate and don’t need another group of (un-nameable) people, and then proceed to go off their heads when the latter also won’t help.

I therefore and hereby dub the author of this progressive rubbish Ianella

@Vasily M
Yet another kooky post from one of the leading experts in delivering kook.

I don’t think the US has betrayed anybody here. Only absolute ghouls think this war should continue. There is no way ukraine can win, but they have thrown hundreds of thousands of men into a meat grinder anyway. They continue to snatch more men off the street, force them into vans, and drop them off in ditches to be killed by hobby drones.

Trump seems to be the only world leader who really wants to put an end to it, while the rest of the collective west are selfishly using ukraine to fight a proxy war. Other countries involving themselves further will only broaden the conflict. Idiots like von der Leyen, Kallas, Starmer and Macron are dragging Europe toward WW3. Must be great knowing they and their families will never be drafted if it came to that though.

It’s actually a shock that Trump is the only leader acting sensibly. Ukraine can’t win on its own. Direct involvement from other countries risks a global conflict. Continuing to provide weapons to ukraine only prolongs an unwinnable war and needlessly kills more young men. Forcing ukraine to the negotiating table is the right thing to do. Humiliating the aggressive panhandler in charge needed to happen.

Appeasement and weakly giving up territory to agressors and invading nations has a long history as a successful strategic policy move….

Also hilarious that you call Zelensky a “panhandler” whilst Trump is actively trying to extort their natural resources as a condition for the support that they’ve long agreed to provide.

Straight from the Putin handbook.

@Ken M
Yes, you are right, Trump does want to end the conflict … by selling out Ukraine to his mate, Putin.

And yet, I can imagine that if Ken M was around during the McCarthy years, he would have one of those loudly shouting about the “Reds under the beds”. Now, when the reds are lying on top of the beds, he cannot see a thing!

It’s a case of give up territory and accept a bad deal, or cease to exist as a nation.

Anybody can see that ukraine can’t possibly win. The country has lost at least obe whole generation of young men, if not two. They are resorting to drafting guys with down syndrome and kidnapping others off the street. There will be no ukrainian men left before too long.

Continuing to commit demographic suicide while ghouls like you three cheer from the sidelines makes no sense.

“It’s a case of give up territory and accept a bad deal, or cease to exist as a nation.”

Yes, we’ve all heard the Putin talking points, doesn’t make them true.

Particularly when Russia was meant to run over them in 3 days, then 2 weeks, now 3+ years.

Once again, your position of appeasement and withdrawal only emboldens the tyrants.

Continuing to parrot talking points and lies you’ve been fed by social media shows exactly who the “ghouls” are, falling in line with the murderous invading army from an authoritarian state who kills anyone who dares oppose its leadership.

Didn’t think you’d be such a Putin bootlicker Ken.

Ken M, so why did Russia invade Ukraine, and why do you not call for them to stop?

Do you realise that Russia has made no net territorial gains since the early stage of the war, while losing an estimated 200,000 fighters in the process compared with 20,000 in the early stage? Do those deaths not count owing to their larger population?

It was Russia that drafted criminals from prisons and now uses North Korean troops as mercenaries. Their inflation has leapt. Russia’s war of expansion can be stopped, just like we (and America back then) were involved in stopping previous aggressors. Why do you not want that?

Oh chewy, the only person who has been getting their talking points from social media is clearly you. Everything you have said on the matter so far is a copy and paste from those nafo clowns. Right down to the “anybody who doesn’t encourage the needless slaughter of more ukrainians is pro Russian. It’s pathetic. If you feel that strongly about it, they are readily accepting volunteers. I’ll pay for you to go.

And even worse is Scylla here, basically just spewing ukrainian propaganda that is very easily proven to be lies. Russia takes more territory every single day. The reality of the situation is that ukraine are having to forcibly snatch unwilling men off the street and force them to fight, because if they attempt to retreat or escape, they get shot by their own side. They flat out can’t win, on numbers alone. Only a truly evil man will burn his country to the ground to rule over the ashes, which is exactly what the aggressive little panhandler is doing.

Ken M has zero response to my substantive points about invasion or Russian resort to criminals and North Korean troops.

It is true that Russia is once more gaining territory with USA dropping support for Ukraine in favour of Russia. Indeed, Ukraine cannot win on its own. How does that justify invasion by Russia? How do you justify the additional tens of thousands Russian dead between the early and late phases, while you pretend to be concerned about fatalities?

What about the answers to my substantive points, Ken M? Of course you have none, just like you offer no sources for your claims about the Ukrainian military.

Russia is a murderous acquisitive dictatorship. Why do you support that, Ken M?
The answer will already be clear enough to most readers.

Ken M,
Can’t see where I said :

“anybody who doesn’t encourage the needless slaughter of more ukrainians is pro Russian.”

Also beyond hilarious that you follow it straight up with one of the current direct talking points around “volunteering”, which is so weak an argument its

The real question for you Ken is what exactly do you think will happen if a poorly designed ceasefire is agreed giving up significant amounts of territory is enacted. One that involves no security guarantees or protections like what Trump has been pushing.

You think that Putin will stop there? You think that suddenly the killing stops? LOL, no one is really that gullible right? You have been following what’s happened for over 10 years right?

Scylla, you have zero substantive points to respond to. What you have is irrelevant nonsense. The Wagner group being allowed to recruit prisoners is irrelevant. North Koreans being allowed to get some combat experience on Russian soil is irrelevant. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the ukrainian army are now mercenaries or unwilling, forced conscripts. Would you like links to videos of how soldiers are “recruited” in ukraine now? Or how about this one, of poor Voha, the conscript with downs syndrome?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1cthv12/voha_the_ukrainian_conscript_with_downs_syndrome/

I can substantiate every single claim I have made here. Meanwhile, you spew propaganda.

Chewy it is pretty easy to justify why other men should fight and die in an unwinnable conflict to uphold your ideals, from the safety of your keyboard. Zero prospect of being snatched off the street while out grocery shopping, forced into a van and dropped off on the front line to die in a ditch.
My offer stands. Show some conviction champ.

And yes, I have been following what has happened for over 10 years. Like the parts where ukraines azov battalion were allowed to fly Nazi flags and shell towns in Donbas. Like where they took video of themselves actually crucifying (literally nailing people to crosses) civilians in Luhansk. Where ukraine breached the Minsk agreements repeatedly. They are far from innocent.

Have you been following what has gone on any more than what the TV told you? Or the kiev independent? 🤣

Yes, chewy, I have been following what has gone on for over 10 years. The azov battalion flying nazi flags, shelling towns of civilians inside ukraine, literally crucifying civilians, breaching the Minsk agreements repeatedly. Your hero zelensky jailing political opponents, banning media outlets, jailing civilians who criticised him, banning languages and even a religion. Or were you just meaning things the TV told you and the kiev “independent”?

I mean, how dare Russia intervene in ukraines ethnic cleansing. 🙄

Also, it is very easy to justify other men being forced to fight and die in an unwinnable conflict, to uphold your ideals, from the safety of your couch on the other side of the planet.

The fighting will probably only stop when NATO stop propping up the puppet they installed, and stop using ukraine as a pawn in their proxy war.

Ken M,
LOL, you actually believe that video is real?

Others spreading propaganda? The irony.

Ken,
the problem with you ridiculous comments is you are still contending this is an issue where there’s a binary between stopping or continuing the war, which is simply laughable. The “deaths” you seem so worried about won’t stop by giving in.

Which is also why your “herp derp, why don’t you volunteer” schtict holds zero weight, along with the other talking points you’re parroting.

Funny that they are so extraordinarily similar to others here and elsewhere on social media, almost like they were prepared and spread by some sort of propaganda units. Maybe you should go back to Reddit and 4Chan.

Russia has repeatedly shown it is willing to breach any deal and continue their expansionist approach. From a strategic perspective, giving them what they want and negotiating from a place of weakness, just ensures that they will see that further advantage can be gained from the same behaviour in the future.

And you don’t think China is watching and thinking the same?

You can continue chastising Ukraine whilst excusing Russia for far worse behaviour and pretend you want to achieve a lasting peace. But it’s easy to see through, what you’re actually promoting.

Ahhh, the old “Anything that shows I get my knowledge of this from the TV is propaganda!” cry. The true mark of ignorance and delusion.

Those unintelligible comments with made up quotes are doing wonders for your position Ken.

Don’t worry, you can be safe in the knowledge that you and the other travellers are the real independent critical thinkers and everyone else is just dumb. Even when you continually bleat the same identical talking points almost word for word.

Amusingly, that’s like a pot screaming racial slurs at a kettle, chewy. Your entire opinion is copy/pasted from reddit, the kiev independent and ukrainian propaganda.

My offer stands. If you feel so strongly, I’ll pay. Every penny. I won’t hold my breath waiting for an armchair warmonger to put my money where his mouth is though.

Roger, Tracy5:52 pm 13 Mar 25

You offer a reddit video as “substantiation”? I guess that is what you do for thinking. You now admit that Russia is doing the things of which you accused Ukraine but say that is not relevant? Only for such as you Ken M, those who “deny and reverse”. Meanwhile there remains unanswered:
“Ken M, so why did Russia invade Ukraine, and why do you not call for them to stop?”

Your writing is indistinguishable from that of Russian propagandists and of less merit. At least they want to defend their own country.

Ken,
Not holding my breath for you to have an original thought or any actual response to the points raised that hasn’t been fed to you by a Russian bot.

But if you’re so interested in providing funds to stop the unnecessary deaths caused by Russian aggression, happy for you to put your wallet where your mouth is.

https://www.redcross.org.au/ukraine/

Post us all the receipt once you’ve donated.

До свидания, Comrade Ken

🤣
Ahh, the usual accusations of “Russian bot” and the like when asked to show some actual conviction is hilarious.

Let them keep going. I don’t care. The country will simply cease to exist soon. Then you people who believe whatever the TV tells you can pick sides in another conflict you know nothing about.

@Ken M
“can pick sides in another conflict”
… while you throw your support behind Putin’s next megalomaniacal expansionist project.

Still waiting for you to show some conviction and post that receipt Ken.

Funny that you’re keeping this up whilst Russia has once again refused a ceasefire this morning.

Just like you they’re apparently interested “in the idea of peace”, just not actually following through on it.

“Let them keep going. I don’t care”

Yeah you really want peace and aren’t one of those warmongering ghouls you keep parroting about. Totally.

What’s you’re next response going to be?

It’s Ukraine’s fault, they didn’t say yes to the ceasefire fast enough?

Your ignorance on the issue is galactic Comrade.

Errr, no, JS. Wrong as usual.

Please point out where I have supported any side in this conflict.

I support stopping the needless slaughter of ukrainian men in a war they can’t win. I support not pouring billions of dollars into a proxy war. I don’t support warmongering from NATO and armchair generals. That might require accepting a bad deal so their country continues to exist.

@Ken M
Ken M – In reply to chewy14 – 2025/03/12 at 10:28 am – in this thread above.
“I mean, how dare Russia intervene in ukraines ethnic cleansing.”

I doubt I’m the only one, who sees that as a justification, from you, of Putin’s megolamania and illegal military aggression.

Accusations of genocide have been alleged by both sides in this conflict, but no-one has been prosecuted and no allegations proven. However, you choose to only believe Putin’s rhetoric as it suits your (laughably) “faux neutrality”.

Oh god, the old “illegal military aggression” thing. Like countries have to consent to being invaded. 🤣

Now it is abundantly clear how deep the brainwashing goes. Engaging with you on this will be as useful as engaging with zelensky the aggressive panhandler. LOL

@Ken M
Yep keep on perpetuating your support for Putin … your hypocrisy is only exceeded by your pathetic “faux concern” for the victims of your hero’s aggressive megalomania

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