Two P-Platers back on the bus

JustThinking said :

georgesgenitals said :

It depends on where those speeds are occurring. Driving at those speeds on clear, open dual lane roads do not mean an accident is inevitable. Of course, people who drive like that on those roads probably also ignore the speed limit in built up areas and suburban streets, where an accident would be a lot more likely. They would also be more likely to play silly buggers on B or C grade country roads, where mistakes can mean very nasty accidents.

Not to mention a million other things.
A rabbit/kangaoo hops across the road?
An ice patch in winter?
Blown tyre?
Debri on the road?

You or someone you care about only has to be on the same stretch of road at the same time.

True. I guess it really comes down to risk management (which is why we need limits, because lots of people don’t seem capable of making sensible choices).

georgesgenitals said :

It depends on where those speeds are occurring. Driving at those speeds on clear, open dual lane roads do not mean an accident is inevitable. Of course, people who drive like that on those roads probably also ignore the speed limit in built up areas and suburban streets, where an accident would be a lot more likely. They would also be more likely to play silly buggers on B or C grade country roads, where mistakes can mean very nasty accidents.

Not to mention a million other things.
A rabbit/kangaoo hops across the road?
An ice patch in winter?
Blown tyre?
Debri on the road?

You or someone you care about only has to be on the same stretch of road at the same time.

JustThinking said :

georgesgenitals said :

Did either of these kids actually crash? I don’t agree with the speeds they were traveling at, but let’s at least try to keep this realistic.

Not this time as far as we know but if they don’t learn now it won’t be long before they do.
Let’s keep it realistic…Travelling at those speeds with limited experience it wouldn’t be long before we were scooping them off the roads with a shovel, or worse, someone else that they hit while doing those speeds.
Anyone who thinks a ‘fender bender’ is possible at those speeds is being ridiculous.

It depends on where those speeds are occurring. Driving at those speeds on clear, open dual lane roads do not mean an accident is inevitable. Of course, people who drive like that on those roads probably also ignore the speed limit in built up areas and suburban streets, where an accident would be a lot more likely. They would also be more likely to play silly buggers on B or C grade country roads, where mistakes can mean very nasty accidents.

georgesgenitals said :

Did either of these kids actually crash? I don’t agree with the speeds they were traveling at, but let’s at least try to keep this realistic.

Not this time as far as we know but if they don’t learn now it won’t be long before they do.
Let’s keep it realistic…Travelling at those speeds with limited experience it wouldn’t be long before we were scooping them off the roads with a shovel, or worse, someone else that they hit while doing those speeds.
Anyone who thinks a ‘fender bender’ is possible at those speeds is being ridiculous.

Good. A timely lesson. These are inexperienced drivers, driving at stupid speeds, and deserve to lose their licenses. If they cannot restrain themselves from speeding while P platers, then they will not restrain themselves from driving at stupid speeds when they have the full ticket.

smont said :

“Gee, but we never see any accidents on Monaro Highway or Kingsford Smith Drive, so I don’t see what the problem is”. Do the “speedster defending” mafia who regularly post to this site actually stop to think about the folly in their pathetic arguments?

Did either of these kids actually crash? I don’t agree with the speeds they were traveling at, but let’s at least try to keep this realistic.

Also, I think L platers, P platers and some other groups should be speed limited to 10km/h below the set limit.

1) L Platers are statistically some of the safest drivers on the road, so if they’re speeding, it’s the fault of the teacher and not the learner. Changing their speed limit won’t change anything.

2) P Platers either already stick to the limit or break it. With a speed reduction they’ll either stick to the new limit (probably causing a lot of road rage from full licence owners in the process), or they’ll speed (either because they would have anyway or they’ll think the new limit is dumb and break it). Changing their speed limit would change nothing, except maybe piss more people off on the roads.

If people aren’t willing to slow down, then telling them to slow down even more isn’t exactly going to work…

smont said :

“Gee, but we never see any accidents on Monaro Highway or Kingsford Smith Drive, so I don’t see what the problem is”. Do the “speedster defending” mafia who regularly post to this site actually stop to think about the folly in their pathetic arguments?

I’m not sure if I identify with the “speedster defending mafia” however I do think the speed limit is too low on certain roads (including the Monaro) that doesn’t mean I don’t think stupidly excessive speeding is wrong.

smont said :

Do the “speedster defending” mafia who regularly post to this site actually stop to think about the folly in their pathetic arguments?

whether or not the speed limit should be increased to 110, they are still going 20km/hr over ACT’s maximum speed limit.

smont said :

“Gee, but we never see any accidents on Monaro Highway or Kingsford Smith Drive, so I don’t see what the problem is”. Do the “speedster defending” mafia who regularly post to this site actually stop to think about the folly in their pathetic arguments?

The speed is posted, they broke it, now they pay for it. Grow up!!