23 April 2025

Third leaders' debate draws out softer sides, for a brief moment or two

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Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese at the third election debate

Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese at the third election debate on Channel Nine on 22 April 2025. Photo: Screenshot.

Anthony Albanese and Peter Dutton went head-to-head Tuesday night (22 April) in the third and best debate yet of the federal election campaign, this one hosted by Channel Nine.

While both the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader performed well and stayed largely on message throughout, the debate’s panel of political journalists was split over who should be declared the winner.

That honour fell to Mr Dutton by a nose, according to a 2-1 vote from the reporters.

It was initially difficult to distinguish the leaders apart, either by their political rhetoric or their attire – they both wore the same-coloured suits, the same-coloured ties, and even similar spectacle frames, suggesting perhaps they had made a wardrobe call to each other beforehand.

The debate’s format was lively and allowed for some theatre, with the Opposition Leader claiming the PM “couldn’t lie straight in bed” while Mr Albanese described that barb as a mark of desperation sinking to personal abuse.

However, the event also revealed the softer and pragmatic sides of both leaders at times.

The Prime Minister insisted that kindness was not a sign of weakness in a leader and that he could make, and has made, many tough decisions while also displaying kindness to others.

“Kindness isn’t weakness. Kindness is something that I was raised with,” Mr Albanese said.

“You don’t get to be the Prime Minister and to lead the Labor Party without toughness. It’s a tough forum.”

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Mr Dutton was asked if his former career as a police officer had led him to have a black-and-white view of the world.

The Opposition Leader’s response was honest and personal.

“I do think you become hardened. It’s a word people use,” he said.

“And I think when you go to deliver a death message to a family whose son has overdosed, or you go to a shooting or to a car accident where a child has been killed, I do think that has a big impact on you, and it certainly has on me.”

Both leaders even shared positive views of their opponents when asked towards the end of the debate, with each expressing their admiration for the other’s families, longevity in politics and agreement over AUKUS.

Other than that, however, it was the normal argy bargy over issues like bulk billing, housing affordability, nuclear energy and Donald Trump’s tariffs.

The debate was somewhat overshadowed by the passing of Pope Francis, with both leaders beginning their remarks by offering condolences to mourning Australians.

Mr Albanese and Mr Dutton each paused election campaigning on Tuesday to give respect to the Pope’s passing.

Mr Dutton said earlier in the day that it was not the time for “big politicking” and both he and the PM cancelled a number of scheduled campaign appearances.

The Governor-General, who was on her way to Türkiye to mark Anzac Day commemorations, will represent Australia at the Pope’s funeral.

Mr Albanese has already asked her to attend.

“I’ve spoken with Her Excellency, the Governor-General, Sam Mostyn,” the Prime Minister said on Tuesday morning.

“The details are still being finalised, but Her Excellency would be an appropriate representative.

“I’ve also spoken last night with the ambassador-designate to the Holy See, Keith Pitt.

“Because of the illness of the Holy Father, [he] has not been able to present his credentials yet, but Mr Pitt is assisting with the logistics, and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are finalising details.”

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Mr Albanese also issued instructions for flags to be flown at half-mast on all Commonwealth buildings around Australia on Tuesday.

The Prime Minister delivered an emotional address to the nation on Monday evening, following news of the Pope’s passing, and described the pontiff as “very much a modernist”.

“The prayers of more than a billion people from all nations in every walk of life go with Pope Francis to his rest,” Mr Albanese said.

“Pope Francis’s compassion embraced all humanity, and today he will be mourned by Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

“He urged us to remember all we hold in common, and he asked the world to hear the cry of the earth, our common home.”

The Prime Minister attended a mass at Melbourne’s St Patrick’s Cathedral.

Peter Dutton had also issued a video and statement honouring the Pope.

“On behalf of the Coalition, I express my condolences to Australians of Catholic and Christian faith upon the sad news of the death of the 266th pontiff,” the Leader of the Opposition said.

“His Holiness, Pope Francis, served God with the utmost devotion throughout his life. He was the first Pope from the Jesuit order and the first Latin American Pope. He lived frugally and simply.

“Above all else, he was driven by Christ’s values of mercy and forgiveness.”

Mr Dutton attended an hour-long mass at Sydney’s Saint Mary’s Cathedral.

Channel Seven will host a fourth and final debate on Sunday, 27 April, just six days before polling day on 3 May.

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Tony Mansfield8:45 pm 23 Apr 25

I wish the media would focus on issues and challenges rather than ‘who the winner is’, it’s not a personal slanging match between two men. It’s about our country. And why can’t we introduce the Greens or some Independents into these debates -why does the media focus on the duopoly which most Australians are clearly very tired of, as there is little difference between them really.
In each debate DutTrump has continually made personal attacks on Albo, it’s because he has nothing positive to say about anything. A grab bag of bribes and statements that divide rather than unite. The most impressive statement in this debate was Albo’s – no one left behind and no one held back, it spoke to his vision and passion, I’m sorry but that panel was paid to choose Duttrump as winner. If we must pick a winner, Albo clearly won.

How does Albanese reconcile his supposed religious beliefs with his dishonest and vitriolic leadership style ?

“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Mathew 7:5

Or to put it another way…Peter Dutton fanboi says what?

Capital Retro11:54 am 23 Apr 25

He must have a daily booking for confessions.

Indeed CR, and twice on Sundays.

Seano presumably you’re oblivious to the irony in your comment. Do you attend confession too ?

@Penfold
No doubt, Albo “reconcile(s) his supposed religious beliefs with his dishonest and vitriolic leadership style” in exactly the same way Dutton does.

Seriously, ‘your Albo always bad, Dutton always good’ conservative fawning generalisations are really puerile.

JS – speaking of irony, wonder if your “but …. Dutton” comment might cause a moment of reflection.

Regardless, in Albanese we’re seeing the worst PM since Whitlam, if not longer. The inability to admit any fault, the constantly blaming others, the aggressive temperament, the inability to read a room, the weakness and terrible decision making. And all that’s before the economic damage he’s done to Australia and our living standards.

You apparently won’t know irony if was pointed out to you with biblical verse, Penfold.

Well you’re right there Seano, all that biblical stuff goes straight over my head.

Can’t imagine you’re too familiar with the Books of Numbers and Wisdom either.

Unlike some I can read sources even if I might not like what they contain.

@Penfold
Sure … on what do you actually expect me to reflect?

“worst PM since Whitlam”
Yet another opinion you seem to want to represent as if it’s a fact.

In my opinion, Abbott didn’t cover himself with glory, in his (although some would suggest Peta Credlin’s) short-lived prime ministership, before his own party unceremoniously dumped him. Then Turnbull, who many non-conservatives thought was a positive choice, disappointed, although he was (arguably) undermined by his own party, before also being dumped. ScoMo survived, until he lost the election – essentially dumped by the Australian people, and in the aftermath, was criticised, by some of his own former ministers, for his autocratic and underhanded assumption of multiple ministerial powers; for that, he suffered the ignominy to be the only former PM to have a censure motion passed in the House of Reps.

So while I agree, Albo is certainly not up there with our best prime ministers, he is not alone in that low rating.

Well of course it’s opinion JS, like we discussed yesterday.

I’ll certainly grant you Turnbull was a shocker, an embarrassment to the Liberal party. The laziest campaigner in living memory. And despite declaring he wouldn’t be a miserable ghost, he’s been just that.

But Albo has taken us backwards economically, he’s destroyed the housing market by flooding us with immigrants without building places for everyone to live. He divided Australia during the voice and told 60% of us we’re racists. He won’t accept responsibility for anything. It’s hard to argue he’s not the worst ever.

@Penfold
If you look at the matter through conservative eyes, of course, you see Turnbull was an embarassment to the Liberal party. But, he was definitely popular with the many moderate conservatives and a number of non-conservatives, who had high hopes but sadly he didn’t deliver.

I see you decided to let my comments on Abbott pass – who let’s face it became PM because he wasn’t Rudd and other than dismantling the Carbon Tax (which many would argue was a bad thing), his other claim to fame was bestowing an Australian knighthood on Prince Philip.

Nor did you defend ScoMo … but it’s not too late for you to elevate him beyond the status of ‘not much as a PM’.

As for your criticisms of Albo:
– the economy: yep, not in a good place, but inflation was already at 6.1% in the quarter to June 22 and peaked at 7.8% in the December 22 quarter and the rate has steadily come down in the last 2 years … so it could be argued things were on the slide when Labor took office. And the staple fillip to the Australian economy – our mineral resource exports, have taken a hit due to reduced overseas demand, post-COVID amongst other things … not sure how Labor can increase overseas demand but I’m open to your suggestions;
– the housing market: certainly, post-Covid immigration didn’t help the crisis, but neither did higher interest rates (raised by independent RBA, due to inflation), lack of tradies (immigration was supposed to help to some degree with that) and building materials, a reduction in public housing (by all flavours of government), speculative investment and foreign ownership, actions by state/territory governments – slow land release and restictive zoning on high rises, etc … I haven’t heard anything practical from either side that they will have a major impact on the housing crisis;
– the voice: pretty stupid to go to a referendum without bi-partisan support, and as someone who didn’t have a problem with the Voice as proposed, I agree that it was badly handled by Albo and his cohort – why they used (the ailing healthwise) Linda Burney as the ‘front person’ and not the (IMHO) vibrant Malarndirri McCarthy is beyond me … but he didn’t call 60% of Australians racists, as this AAP fact check clearly shows (https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/albanese-didnt-say-voice-opponents-are-racist/)

I’m not going to argue with you as to ‘worst ever’, because it’s a subjective measure which no-one can win. Where I will agree, is that, as previously stated, he is not one of our top PMs, but I don’t think there’s a lot of recent PMs who will make that list either.

Typical conservative dribbling from Penfold. Blow me down – what a suprise.

Stephen Saunders9:54 am 23 Apr 25

You have to admire their joint capacity to ignore the surging electricity-bills, punishing cost-of-living, impossible all-time migration, record rental distress, and cruel homelessness.

Plus which, Labor is laughing their heads off, at the Liberals comical “nuclear-net-zero”. You would think this was Labor sabotage, but actually Mr Dutton has irradiated himself.

Climate change is real and serious, Net-zero is sensible and if done right can and should be economically beneficial (renewables are the cheapest form of energy), not striving net-zero will hurt us economically & politically as other countries strive to that sensible goal.

You are right though Dutton’s nuclear plan is laughable, it’s why he’s stopped talking about it during the campaign.

Capital Retro4:44 pm 23 Apr 25

The only thing in Australia that will be NET-ZERO in 5 years is the country’s balance sheet balance and that will include all the nationalized businesses and stolen superannuation.
Climate change is an ongoing thing, Seano. Renewables aren’t going to change anything except getting power periodically at a much greater price.

I’m ignoring your usual fact-free drivel which isn’t worth my time.

But I’ll remind you again of the following facts, renewables are the cheapest form of energy, the Retailers & Generators which are for profit companies rejected Dutton’s nuclear plan as too expensive, too risky and too slow and the QLD LNP government have said no to reactors in QLD.

Dutton nuclear plan is kaput, he effectively has no energy plan which is why he doesn’t want to talk about this issue any more. A vote for Dutton is a vote for another period of stagnation in energy investment under a coalition government, a vote for Dutton is a vote for higher energy prices.

Capital Retro,
If the balance sheet is “net zero”, you’re saying the budget will be balanced by then.

Never thought of you as such an economic optimist.

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