Fast, Furious, and facing the Magistrate

What is it with numpties in this town crashing into their own mates … first Mully, now the germ. Would have thought the chances of this happening ever would be slim-to-bugger-all.
Nor do I, in the main, believe in co-incidence. Makes me suspect that – in both cases – something was afoot involving all parties.
Grubs.

bundah said :

shauno said :

I propose the following. A boot camp facility will be setup on the remote wasteland of Heard Island in the Southern Ocean. Participants ordered by the courts to attend such a facility for a specified length of time will be ushered to a fast track Army training course in static line parachute jumping I envisage this taking no more than 5 days. They will then all be bundled into a C17 transport plane and flown to Heard Island where they will jump out for an ocean splash down just off the island and will be picked up by zodiacs. They will then spend at least 12 months in tents attending daily self improvement courses.

Nah bugger that a simple lobotomy will do the trick!

While a lobotomy only takes 10 mins to do and would have the desired effect, para training is just an awful thing to do to some unfit civvie. Make them do the old basic fitness assessment (50 proper push ups, 100 proper sit-ups and a 5 km run in under 19 mins) from 20 years ago as well.

shauno said :

I propose the following. A boot camp facility will be setup on the remote wasteland of Heard Island in the Southern Ocean. Participants ordered by the courts to attend such a facility for a specified length of time will be ushered to a fast track Army training course in static line parachute jumping I envisage this taking no more than 5 days. They will then all be bundled into a C17 transport plane and flown to Heard Island where they will jump out for an ocean splash down just off the island and will be picked up by zodiacs. They will then spend at least 12 months in tents attending daily self improvement courses.

Nah bugger that a simple lobotomy will do the trick!

shauno said :

I propose the following. A boot camp facility will be setup.

Why would you want to send their boots to camp?

I propose the following. A boot camp facility will be setup on the remote wasteland of Heard Island in the Southern Ocean. Participants ordered by the courts to attend such a facility for a specified length of time will be ushered to a fast track Army training course in static line parachute jumping I envisage this taking no more than 5 days. They will then all be bundled into a C17 transport plane and flown to Heard Island where they will jump out for an ocean splash down just off the island and will be picked up by zodiacs. They will then spend at least 12 months in tents attending daily self improvement courses.

shauno said :

I recommend many many years of therapy in a controlled psychiatric institution followed by several years in boot camp.

Boot-up-the-arse camp.

I wonder what condition his internal organs are in? There are some much more deserving people than this amoeba out there who could really do with a nice, healthy pink liver, or maybe a couple seeking a matching pair of chocolate-brown kidneys.

I recommend many many years of therapy in a controlled psychiatric institution followed by several years in boot camp.

Oh look the ‘germ’ is back in trouble again.What a surprise!

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/accused-car-thief-crashes-back-into-court-20120912-25s3d.html

meanwhile back at the narrabundah stolen car yard…

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/accused-car-thief-crashes-back-into-court-20120912-25s3d.html

Porkhunt, I doubt there is a one size fit’s all approach to this or a “point” where incarceration is automatic (other than uncontrollable violence towards others). Apparently with Mental Health, the rules are that someone has to be taken into hospital if they are a risk to themselves, or others or their reputation is at risk and unfortunately this doesn’t happen all the time. Then we have the argument of whether drugs should be legalised or not (I’m convinced crime would be reduced if they were legalised). I like the idea of therapeutic communities – although the principles rely on voluntary participation rather than involuntary. There are probably heaps of people who would benefit from the structure, routine and safety of a community where they have a “place”. You know some tribes actively remove the mentally ill from the community only when they are really unwell, the rest of the time they just accept them as is. Most European countries always had a place for what they called “the village idiot”. They just accepted them as they were which probably helped to alleviate the us and them scenario.

If we are going to incarcerate people then the whole system has got to change…..not just the “magnificent” building out at Hume. I have a friend who sat in training with mostly Corrections Officers. When asked if inmates could be rehabilitated, none of them agreed. WTF are they doing out there except making money and (some) are making money out of the families of inmates by selling illegal sh*t to inmates. It’s as corrupt as the criminal world outside and teaches inmates nothing about values or reintegrating into society. There is nothing to do in there. Why aren’t they making number plates or clothes or doing laundry for the hospital. Why aren’t they given a purpose and left to their own devices in hours upon hours of boredom. I know several young guys who have been in for years (not months) and do the same stuff once they are released. How is this helpful?

What happened to prison farms where minimum security inmates had jobs and were made to help run the farm? Here we have minimum and maximum mixed together with fk all to keep them occupied. Not good.

With someone like Jermaine, I remember being surprised that he hadn’t been picked up by CPS years ago. But then again, they housed young people in the old Wanniassa Police Station……… seems youre too hard if your Aboriginal or beyond the age of three.

Jethro, thanks for your constructive criticisms and comments. I agree, there needs to be some incentive to create change – but change needs to happen in all areas of community not just left to sit with the disadvantaged.

Violet68 said :

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

Your world? A world where people do not have to take responsibility for their own actions because everything is someone elses fault. A world where abhorent behaviour is excused and condoned without consequence.

I’m pleased to see that you recognise that it is not the real world. That is a big step for you.

dilandach are you sure you didn’t go to school with qbyngeek?

@ Violet
The ‘germ’ as i affectionately used to call him was always going to be a society misfit.I distinctly recall that he used to wander around the Bundah neighbourhood for hours on end as an infant unsupervised by his carer.I observed him removing items from other people’s backyards and garages at the age of 4 and knew then he was going to be a major problem.I have been told that as he approached his teens many tried to guide him to change his atrocious behaviour but to no avail.He has simply adopted the attitude of fark you i will do what i want and i don’t fear the consequences.So perhaps you believe he can be rehabilitated but i am cynical about his prospects and in the meantime incarceration will protect the community from his anti-social behaviour.

Violet68 said :

Secondly, we’re not talking about a person from a “broken home”. We are talking about someone who didn’t have a fkn home. We are not talking about someone who was bullied at school. We are talking about someone who hardly ever went to school, has learning difficulties (not mild autism) and a severe substance dependence that has impaired his cognition – all while still a child. Racism and discrimination have no doubt played a part in forming his identity too.

I agree. It is really sad. And anyone with a heart would feel incredible sadness for what that little boy had to endure in his life.

However, he is not a little boy anymore. And he is a threat to society.

I have been accused by many on this site of being a bleeding heart, and in some ways I am. I am being completely honest when I say I feel very strongly for the children who are born into violent and/or unloving homes. I look at my kids and wonder how different they would be if their daddy wasn’t some they know loves them unconditionally and who they know will do anything to protect them, but someone who they fear and who is the one they need protecting from.

But I also believe strongly in the right of people in our society to not become victims of crime. If we don’t remove this guy from the streets what do you honestly think is going to happen? What is your solution, other than to say he needs more support? What tangible actions are going to stop him committing crime?

Surely, the rights of law abiding citizens to be safe trumps the rights of a career criminal, no matter how terrible a hand in life he has been dealt.

Violet68 said :

qbngeek said :

Violet68 said :

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

Haha, sometimes the fact that you are so clueles about the real world makes me giggle in front of everyone at work.

I grew up in a broken home and lived through my mother being married and divorced several times. I also suffer a mild form of autism and have gone through several depressive episodes (including trying to suicide twice in my younger years). I was bullied relentlessly at school and had very few friends. I am now married, have two beautiful children and a career that I love. I spend my spare time gardening, playing with my children and being a geek. You know how I was successful…hard f**king work and determination. I was determined to be the best I could be and I hold myself accountable for my life.

I can quite easily give you the stories of at least 10 other people I am now friends with, worked with or went to school with that had worse upbrinings than me, and probably worse than this douchebucket could imagine, and they are all now happy, content and successful because they wanted to be better.

It is the choice of these lowlifes to be how they are, not societies. They choose to be criminals and choose to be a drain on the system. For every one of them who chosses to be that way, there are 2 of us that managed to turn our lives around through hard work, determination and making the right choices.

First of all, you obviously don’t have to work too hard if you’re on RA at work…….

Secondly, we’re not talking about a person from a “broken home”. We are talking about someone who didn’t have a fkn home. We are not talking about someone who was bullied at school. We are talking about someone who hardly ever went to school, has learning difficulties (not mild autism) and a severe substance dependence that has impaired his cognition – all while still a child. Racism and discrimination have no doubt played a part in forming his identity too.

I’m really glad you got over your parents divorce and went on to live a healthy happy life. Good for you seriously! So you experienced depression and that’s a big thing just cause it happened to YOU? You understand it and you are managing to live with it. Given your predisposition for becoming depressed, I seriously doubt you could cope with anything this kid has had to manage to live with. I’m glad for you but I do not admire you.

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

There is no doubt regarding your passion in discussing and defending people like the one in question but I have a couple of questions for you.

Where do YOU draw the line between granting bail to a serial offender and going to the AMC until trial?

At what point would YOU decide that a criminal (or victim of circumstance in your eyes) has run out of chances to remain free and HAS to be incarcerated?

Should this person be in a secure mental health facility instead of the AMC or neither?

Jethro said :

What if the federal government made it mandatory for certain demographic groups to undergo intensive parenting classes in order to receive the baby bonus?

What if welfare was only available to people who weren’t actively breeding?
Far cheaper and more easily administered than trying to teach anything to retarded layabouts.

HenryBG said :

Violet68 said :

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

Frankly, I have my life and you’re welcome to yours as I have zero interest in it.

The moment you start thieving from me, however, it is in my interest that you be apprehended and prevented from thieving. I don’t care two figs about the background story.

Sadly agree with henrybg. If you steal my shit, molest my loved ones, try to fight me etc, I don’t care your upbringing. You will be lucky that the police arrest you and not left for me to deal out punishment.
There is never a excuse to commit crimes against other human beings the way these pos’s do.

Jethro said :

dpm said :

Jethro said :

…However, what Violet said about the need to invest more money in early intervention and preventative measures is correct. For every dollar spent on early intervention you save many more in future costs. Putting people in jail is a reactive approach to crime. It certainly has its place. But it should not be the be-all and end-all of criminal justice. Surely investing money in early intervention in order to prevent crime in the first place is a good thing?

My guess? The problem with that plan is: if the ACT Govt can’t fix a bigger PR problem that is making them look really bad to the public etc (i.e. ED waiting times), what are the chances they are going to decide to throw a heap of money at this area, which is potentially more complex and (more importantly politically) a long-term ROI solution?

You hit the nail on the head. Things that aren’t going to see outcomes for years if not decades (and outcomes that won’t ever be tangible) aren’t going to attract funding unless people can see the short term benefit.

To me, the best way to get some serious investment in early intervention is through the federal government framing it as a welfare issue.

For example, there is a fair bit fo criticism of ‘bogans’ breeding in order to get the baby bonus. I remember reading an American study that showed basic intervention with pregnant mothers in at-risk groups, where they learned based parenting skills, such as ‘don’t shake your baby when you are angry’, ‘make sure you feed your baby 3 healthy meals a day’ etc had serious long-term benefits in terms of the life outcomes of the children of the women involved in the study.

What if the federal government made it mandatory for certain demographic groups to undergo intensive parenting classes in order to receive the baby bonus? (eg. any pregnant person already receiving welfare would need to attend the classes) in order to receive their baby bonus?

This is just one suggestion. I’m sure people could think of many others.

Pretty sure that would be against heir rights and in some way discrimitory even if it does help them.

Violet68 said :

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

You’re right, I couldn’t deal with having to endlessly make excuses for the criminal behaviour of others along with justifying the right to be violent, steal or be a general jackass in society.

Always someone elses fault, never their own.

dpm said :

Jethro said :

…However, what Violet said about the need to invest more money in early intervention and preventative measures is correct. For every dollar spent on early intervention you save many more in future costs. Putting people in jail is a reactive approach to crime. It certainly has its place. But it should not be the be-all and end-all of criminal justice. Surely investing money in early intervention in order to prevent crime in the first place is a good thing?

My guess? The problem with that plan is: if the ACT Govt can’t fix a bigger PR problem that is making them look really bad to the public etc (i.e. ED waiting times), what are the chances they are going to decide to throw a heap of money at this area, which is potentially more complex and (more importantly politically) a long-term ROI solution?

You hit the nail on the head. Things that aren’t going to see outcomes for years if not decades (and outcomes that won’t ever be tangible) aren’t going to attract funding unless people can see the short term benefit.

To me, the best way to get some serious investment in early intervention is through the federal government framing it as a welfare issue.

For example, there is a fair bit fo criticism of ‘bogans’ breeding in order to get the baby bonus. I remember reading an American study that showed basic intervention with pregnant mothers in at-risk groups, where they learned based parenting skills, such as ‘don’t shake your baby when you are angry’, ‘make sure you feed your baby 3 healthy meals a day’ etc had serious long-term benefits in terms of the life outcomes of the children of the women involved in the study.

What if the federal government made it mandatory for certain demographic groups to undergo intensive parenting classes in order to receive the baby bonus? (eg. any pregnant person already receiving welfare would need to attend the classes) in order to receive their baby bonus?

This is just one suggestion. I’m sure people could think of many others.

Violet68 said :

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

Frankly, I have my life and you’re welcome to yours as I have zero interest in it.

The moment you start thieving from me, however, it is in my interest that you be apprehended and prevented from thieving. I don’t care two figs about the background story.

qbngeek said :

Violet68 said :

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

Haha, sometimes the fact that you are so clueles about the real world makes me giggle in front of everyone at work.

I grew up in a broken home and lived through my mother being married and divorced several times. I also suffer a mild form of autism and have gone through several depressive episodes (including trying to suicide twice in my younger years). I was bullied relentlessly at school and had very few friends. I am now married, have two beautiful children and a career that I love. I spend my spare time gardening, playing with my children and being a geek. You know how I was successful…hard f**king work and determination. I was determined to be the best I could be and I hold myself accountable for my life.

I can quite easily give you the stories of at least 10 other people I am now friends with, worked with or went to school with that had worse upbrinings than me, and probably worse than this douchebucket could imagine, and they are all now happy, content and successful because they wanted to be better.

It is the choice of these lowlifes to be how they are, not societies. They choose to be criminals and choose to be a drain on the system. For every one of them who chosses to be that way, there are 2 of us that managed to turn our lives around through hard work, determination and making the right choices.

First of all, you obviously don’t have to work too hard if you’re on RA at work…….

Secondly, we’re not talking about a person from a “broken home”. We are talking about someone who didn’t have a fkn home. We are not talking about someone who was bullied at school. We are talking about someone who hardly ever went to school, has learning difficulties (not mild autism) and a severe substance dependence that has impaired his cognition – all while still a child. Racism and discrimination have no doubt played a part in forming his identity too.

I’m really glad you got over your parents divorce and went on to live a healthy happy life. Good for you seriously! So you experienced depression and that’s a big thing just cause it happened to YOU? You understand it and you are managing to live with it. Given your predisposition for becoming depressed, I seriously doubt you could cope with anything this kid has had to manage to live with. I’m glad for you but I do not admire you.

As for me being clueless about the real world, you wouldn’t last a day in mine

Violet68 said :

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

Haha, sometimes the fact that you are so clueles about the real world makes me giggle in front of everyone at work.

I grew up in a broken home and lived through my mother being married and divorced several times. I also suffer a mild form of autism and have gone through several depressive episodes (including trying to suicide twice in my younger years). I was bullied relentlessly at school and had very few friends. I am now married, have two beautiful children and a career that I love. I spend my spare time gardening, playing with my children and being a geek. You know how I was successful…hard f**king work and determination. I was determined to be the best I could be and I hold myself accountable for my life.

I can quite easily give you the stories of at least 10 other people I am now friends with, worked with or went to school with that had worse upbrinings than me, and probably worse than this douchebucket could imagine, and they are all now happy, content and successful because they wanted to be better.

It is the choice of these lowlifes to be how they are, not societies. They choose to be criminals and choose to be a drain on the system. For every one of them who chosses to be that way, there are 2 of us that managed to turn our lives around through hard work, determination and making the right choices.

bundah said :

Given what i’ve seen of his behaviour and attitude i strongly suspect he will never conform to society’s laws and expectations nor do i believe he has the capacity to do so therefore it’s extremely likely he will spend a considerable period of time at AMC.

At a cost to the ACT rate-payer of over $3,500 per week.

Either way, this little waste of space is thieving from us.

The ACT will without doubt be far better off without him.
How do we make him cease to be such a huge cost to the community?
I hear there is high demand for mine-clearers in Afghanistan.

Violet68 said :

I’m not saying criminal behaviour is right. I think it’s a side effect of the imbalances in our community. .

Crap. Criminal behaviour is the result of personal choices.

This little Germ isn’t my nephew or my cousin, so I don’t accept any responsibility for him, nor do I give a rat’s arse about his excuses.

As he is clearly identified as having a habit of breaking into people’s houses to steal their stuff, I would like him securely detained and held until steps can be taken to ensure he never behaves this way again.

Jethro said :

However, what Violet said about the need to invest more money in early intervention and preventative measures is correct. For every dollar spent on early intervention you save many more in future costs.

Yeah, I agree – if these kids are removed from their defective parents before the damage is done, they will have a better chance in life.

Oh, *and* they can play the victim card and call themselves a “stolen generation” if things don’t end up going their way.

Violet68 said :

Agreed……..and plenty of others don’t.

Nevermind, he’ll eventually end up in AMC I’d say where he will probably fit in as most of the inmates have some sort of mental disorder and there’s a high representation of Aboriginal people too. He can sit around on remand for months with nothing to do, cop a few beltings, learn a few more tricks and when he’s released he can happily go get a job and rent a nice property and buy his own car and stop taking people’s stuff. MAGIC!

Given what i’ve seen of his behaviour and attitude i strongly suspect he will never conform to society’s laws and expectations nor do i believe he has the capacity to do so therefore it’s extremely likely he will spend a considerable period of time at AMC.It is plainly obvious that there are those who will never change nor have any desire to conform no matter what one does to try and rehabilitate them so incarceration in those circumstances is the only option!

Jethro said :

…However, what Violet said about the need to invest more money in early intervention and preventative measures is correct. For every dollar spent on early intervention you save many more in future costs. Putting people in jail is a reactive approach to crime. It certainly has its place. But it should not be the be-all and end-all of criminal justice. Surely investing money in early intervention in order to prevent crime in the first place is a good thing?

My guess? The problem with that plan is: if the ACT Govt can’t fix a bigger PR problem that is making them look really bad to the public etc (i.e. ED waiting times), what are the chances they are going to decide to throw a heap of money at this area, which is potentially more complex and (more importantly politically) a long-term ROI solution?

Ok, so I dont want to sound like I’m supporting some of Violet’s more ridiculous statements.

This kid is a already career criminal who needs to be taken off the streets to protect the rest of us from him.

However, what Violet said about the need to invest more money in early intervention and preventative measures is correct. For every dollar spent on early intervention you save many more in future costs. Putting people in jail is a reactive approach to crime. It certainly has its place. But it should not be the be-all and end-all of criminal justice. Surely investing money in early intervention in order to prevent crime in the first place is a good thing?

Violet68 said :

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

But as an adult he can certainly make his own choices now.

Dilandach said :

Mysteryman said :

Yes, comrade. Nobody should have any advantages, regardless of how hard they work or how they choose to apply themselves.

How does the ownership of the cars make any difference to the crimes this ADULT committed?

That’s right comrade Mysteryman, the Commissar would be content in the knowledge you accept that the fruit of your work belongs to everyone. Line up for your beets.

Which way to the bread line?

Agreed……..and plenty of others don’t.

Nevermind, he’ll eventually end up in AMC I’d say where he will probably fit in as most of the inmates have some sort of mental disorder and there’s a high representation of Aboriginal people too. He can sit around on remand for months with nothing to do, cop a few beltings, learn a few more tricks and when he’s released he can happily go get a job and rent a nice property and buy his own car and stop taking people’s stuff. MAGIC!

Mysteryman said :

Yes, comrade. Nobody should have any advantages, regardless of how hard they work or how they choose to apply themselves.

How does the ownership of the cars make any difference to the crimes this ADULT committed?

That’s right comrade Mysteryman, the Commissar would be content in the knowledge you accept that the fruit of your work belongs to everyone. Line up for your beets.

Violet68 said :

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

Not what I’m saying.

None of us choose what we’re born into. Some people get a better box of chocolates than others.

But plenty of people from horrific disadvantage choose to make something of their lives.

Life choice? Ahhh so young people set out to CHOOSE the environment they’re born in to, they choose to have learning difficulties or choose not to be sent off to school? OK it’s all his fault JB.

I think I like Violet’s logic. I shall have to walk around with an axe and bottle of acid so I can shorten people who are taller than me and disfigure those more attractive.

It isn’t my fault that these people are taller and more attractive, and there is no way I can really get taller and I can’t afford cosmetic surgery.

Just quietly……you need to be employable to be employed.

I’d be curious to see how the following would play out with our resident bleeding hearts:

“Of course I’m sorry, your Honour, that I bashed the guy and put him in hospital for 3 months, but there were extenuating circumstances. You see, when I was young someone broke into my house and stole our telly, then when I was a teenager someone ran into our car at the carpark and drove off. So when this guy broke into my house in the middle of the night, something just, like, you know, snapped.”

Violet68 said :

chewy14 said :

Violet68 said :

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s.

Have nots? C’mon, he had a Porsche Boxster, a Porsche Cayenne and a Subaru Impreza WRX…. well at least for a little while.

But anyway, I agree with Violet. Owning a Porsche Boxter should be declared a human right under ACT legislation.

The owners of these cars were clearly at fault here for flaunting their wealth in front of someone who was being denied this basic human right.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I doubt those vehicles were “owned” by anything but a Bank. It should definitely be illegal for someone to have such an excess of wealth while there are others in our community who can’t even scrape up enough money to catch a bus or eat. Human rights are basic…….not rocket science!

Yes, comrade. Nobody should have any advantages, regardless of how hard they work or how they choose to apply themselves.

How does the ownership of the cars make any difference to the crimes this ADULT committed?

Violet68 said :

So you believe that it’s just a simple matter of this guy working hard and buying himself nice things? Errr it’s a tad more complex than that! Not everyone who owns a porsche necessarily works hard either……..

As for alternatives, how bout an early intervention with this KID at 13? How bout assertive outreach to identify his being homeless and alcoholic at that age? How bout supervision from Corrective Services be more about case management and support rather than ticking a box for a 5 minute appointment each week? As I said previously, this boy will not only learn to be more anti social whilst incarcerated, his lifestyle will be perpetuated once he gets out. You can’t keep them locked up forever.

And pefect dark, I seriously doubt you wouldn’t try to put up a defence and avoid going to jail. Your comment seems to be more about this kid leaving evidence behind that would incriminate him. Sounds like youre a tad more educated and able to think things through ie consequences etc ……..you’re also literate. That’s at least 3 big advantages you have that he doesn’t.

I’m not saying criminal behaviour is right. I think it’s a side effect of the imbalances in our community. That’s all folks. Hope you enjoyed the show.

Actuall violet, it is as simple as working hard and buying things you want. Being to dumb and or lazy does not give you the right to take others possessions.

Violet68 said :

So you believe that it’s just a simple matter of this guy working hard and buying himself nice things? .

Not a ‘simple matter’ but a ‘simple choice’. He could choose to avail himself of the.many government sponsored training opportunities. Or he could choose to fly to Western Australia and earn 100k per year working on a mine-site. Or he could choose to be a drain on society. His choice and take no responsibility (amply aided by you and your ilk)

Violet68 said :

Not everyone who owns a porsche necessarily works hard either…..

.

But the majority do….and the majority of people who steal them don’t work at all.

Violet68 said :

……..As for alternatives, how bout an early intervention with this KID at 13? How bout assertive outreach to identify his being homeless and alcoholic at that age? How bout supervision from Corrective Services be more about case management and support rather than ticking a box for a 5 minute appointment each week? As I said previously, this boy will not only learn to be more anti social whilst incarcerated, his lifestyle will be perpetuated once he gets out. You can’t keep them locked up forever…..

I’ve been pondering a new theory! How about either the magistrate that gives out bail (as they think the person is, or will be, law-abiding) or the defense rep who fights for their release (as they are cetain the person didn’t do anything wrong, and are a model citizen) has to board the person at their house for a few months – just to proove to us that they were right! Hahahaha! 🙂

So you believe that it’s just a simple matter of this guy working hard and buying himself nice things? Errr it’s a tad more complex than that! Not everyone who owns a porsche necessarily works hard either……..

As for alternatives, how bout an early intervention with this KID at 13? How bout assertive outreach to identify his being homeless and alcoholic at that age? How bout supervision from Corrective Services be more about case management and support rather than ticking a box for a 5 minute appointment each week? As I said previously, this boy will not only learn to be more anti social whilst incarcerated, his lifestyle will be perpetuated once he gets out. You can’t keep them locked up forever.

And pefect dark, I seriously doubt you wouldn’t try to put up a defence and avoid going to jail. Your comment seems to be more about this kid leaving evidence behind that would incriminate him. Sounds like youre a tad more educated and able to think things through ie consequences etc ……..you’re also literate. That’s at least 3 big advantages you have that he doesn’t.

I’m not saying criminal behaviour is right. I think it’s a side effect of the imbalances in our community. That’s all folks. Hope you enjoyed the show.

Violet68 said :

It should definitely be illegal for someone to have such an excess of wealth while there are others in our community who can’t even scrape up enough money to catch a bus or eat. Human rights are basic…….not rocket science! .

How dare people work hard and earn a decent wage. The nerve of them.

Want a porche? Get off your arse, do the hard yards and earn one. Its pretty basic…….not rocket science!

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Violet68 said :

chewy14 said :

Violet68 said :

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s.

Have nots? C’mon, he had a Porsche Boxster, a Porsche Cayenne and a Subaru Impreza WRX…. well at least for a little while.

But anyway, I agree with Violet. Owning a Porsche Boxter should be declared a human right under ACT legislation.

The owners of these cars were clearly at fault here for flaunting their wealth in front of someone who was being denied this basic human right.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I doubt those vehicles were “owned” by anything but a Bank. It should definitely be illegal for someone to have such an excess of wealth while there are others in our community who can’t even scrape up enough money to catch a bus or eat. Human rights are basic…….not rocket science! I wonder if this was a little rich boy who nicked the cars whether we would be having this discussion? No…he either wouldn’t have to steal in the first place or if he did, he’d have the best legal representation available.

I remember this KID about five years ago being a general sh*t and yes he is probably hard to like.

Calling him a Germ or locking him up will perpetuate his lifestyle. Maybe that’s why he has become so antisocial?

I feel like I’m stating the obvious to a bunch of aliens. Sigh…….

If do gooders try and find alternatives to systems that don’t work then yes I am one.

One could embark on a lengthy convoluted explanation as to why certain people commit crimes that the majority of us detest but it would serve no useful purpose and change absolutely nothing.More importantly what is your solution to stopping criminals from helping themselves to the personal possessions of law abiding citizens if incarceration is not the answer??

Jethro said :

Antagonist said :

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

The kid needs to go to jail, even if only to keep him off the streets committing crime.

However, being in jail is the punishment.

Your wish that he gets beaten and anally raped suggests that you have some serious personal problems that need sorting out.

LOL. Amateur psychologists.

Antagonist said :

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

The kid needs to go to jail, even if only to keep him off the streets committing crime.

However, being in jail is the punishment.

Your wish that he gets beaten and anally raped suggests that you have some serious personal problems that need sorting out.

chewy14 said :

Violet68 said :

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s.

Have nots? C’mon, he had a Porsche Boxster, a Porsche Cayenne and a Subaru Impreza WRX…. well at least for a little while.

But anyway, I agree with Violet. Owning a Porsche Boxter should be declared a human right under ACT legislation.

The owners of these cars were clearly at fault here for flaunting their wealth in front of someone who was being denied this basic human right.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

I doubt those vehicles were “owned” by anything but a Bank. It should definitely be illegal for someone to have such an excess of wealth while there are others in our community who can’t even scrape up enough money to catch a bus or eat. Human rights are basic…….not rocket science! I wonder if this was a little rich boy who nicked the cars whether we would be having this discussion? No…he either wouldn’t have to steal in the first place or if he did, he’d have the best legal representation available.

I remember this KID about five years ago being a general sh*t and yes he is probably hard to like. Calling him a Germ or locking him up will perpetuate his lifestyle. Maybe that’s why he has become so antisocial? I feel like I’m stating the obvious to a bunch of aliens. Sigh…….

If do gooders try and find alternatives to systems that don’t work then yes I am one.

Violet68 said :

….. just build more prisons to fill up with those who don’t fit the boxes..

Finally, a sensible suggestion from Violet!

Violet68 said :

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s.

Have nots? C’mon, he had a Porsche Boxster, a Porsche Cayenne and a Subaru Impreza WRX…. well at least for a little while.

But anyway, I agree with Violet. Owning a Porsche Boxter should be declared a human right under ACT legislation.

The owners of these cars were clearly at fault here for flaunting their wealth in front of someone who was being denied this basic human right.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Mysteryman said :

Antagonist said :

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

The quoting is stuffed up – that was actually Violet68 who said that, not me.

Mysteryman said :

Antagonist said :

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

The quoting is stuffed up – that was actually Violet68 who said that, not me.

I can’t imagine anyone mistaking comments like that as coming from you.

Mysteryman said :

The quoting is stuffed up – that was actually Violet68 who said that, not me.

Noticed that after I had already posted. My apologies, good sir.

Antagonist said :

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

The quoting is stuffed up – that was actually Violet68 who said that, not me.

Mysteryman said :

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

I do. I hope he gets regular beatings, abused to hell and his @sshole enlarged by a factor of 10 – all from within the confines of AMC. The ‘poor me’ and his ‘aboriginality’ cards that he has been playing for many years have long exceeded their expiry dates. Enough is enough.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Violet68 said :

I too have heard stories about this young boy living in a garden shed at the age of 13 with a severe alcohol abuse problem which has undoubtedly diminished his cognitive function. Perhaps the judiciary don’t want to add to the systemic abuses this BOY has already suffered? But I suppose a cumulative punishment regime, further disengagement from society, further physical, emotional and perhaps sexual abuse from other inmates and guards will effectively CHANGE him so he fits more nicely into his box.

Hey – welcome back! I for one have missed you! 🙂

I happen to know quite a bit about the ‘germ’ and he does not deserve the sympathy card.Some of us may also recall the explosion and fire at the Gowrie Court flats a couple of years ago where the germ and the other members of his auntie’s family were living. No prizes for guessing who was responsible for that.
Why are there so many do-gooders living in lala land?? it’s so farking infuriating!!

Violet68 said :

I too have heard stories about this young boy living in a garden shed at the age of 13 with a severe alcohol abuse problem which has undoubtedly diminished his cognitive function. Perhaps the judiciary don’t want to add to the systemic abuses this BOY has already suffered? But I suppose a cumulative punishment regime, further disengagement from society, further physical, emotional and perhaps sexual abuse from other inmates and guards will effectively CHANGE him so he fits more nicely into his box.

Hey – welcome back! I for one have missed you! 🙂

Violet68 said :

It’s been so long since we heard Violet’s criminal sympathising. It’s almost not RA without it!

Lock him up. Treat him there. I don’t think people who CHOOSE to behave like this should have the luxury of freedom.

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s. As for “treatment”in prison…..get real. This isn’t about sympathising with criminals. It’s about recognising that prison’s don’t work for some people. Just because they’re out of society for awhile, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Spose we can be like America and just build more prisons to fill up with those who don’t fit the boxes.

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

Interesting that EVERY comment you make in threads concerning criminal behaviour sees you siding with the criminals. Presumably you believe no criminal deserves not to be in prison.

The community deserves protection from this type of behaviour. I’d go so far as to say that protection of the community is more important than the rehabilitation of an individual. Ideally, we’d have both protection and rehabilitation. The safety of others should not be gambled on potential rehabilitation of someone who clearly shows no regards for the law and, by extension, others, lest we end up with another situation Mully, Justin Monfries, or that guy who raped his ex at knife point recently.

Violet68 said :

It’s been so long since we heard Violet’s criminal sympathising. It’s almost not RA without it!

Lock him up. Treat him there. I don’t think people who CHOOSE to behave like this should have the luxury of freedom.

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s. As for “treatment”in prison…..get real. This isn’t about sympathising with criminals. It’s about recognising that prison’s don’t work for some people. Just because they’re out of society for awhile, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Spose we can be like America and just build more prisons to fill up with those who don’t fit the boxes.

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

Canberra was planned and created to be the capital of Australia, to host the seat of government and the services that provide for the running of this nation.

Canberra was not designed for little boys to run riot and destroy the things that this city was set up for. The best solution is to remove the anti-socials from this place. We should clean up Canberra and make it the nation’s capital and a place to be proud of, not a place to be ashamed of.

It’s been so long since we heard Violet’s criminal sympathising. It’s almost not RA without it!

Lock him up. Treat him there. I don’t think people who CHOOSE to behave like this should have the luxury of freedom.

No, it’s actually not RA without the have’s bitching about the have not’s. As for “treatment”in prison…..get real. This isn’t about sympathising with criminals. It’s about recognising that prison’s don’t work for some people. Just because they’re out of society for awhile, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Spose we can be like America and just build more prisons to fill up with those who don’t fit the boxes.

JB I agree that something has to happen in this boy’s life and maybe he will do well with routine and a roof over his head. I just hope he won’t be beaten, abused and controlled by the **seholes that thrive within that system.

Violet68 said :

I too have heard stories about this young boy living in a garden shed at the age of 13 with a severe alcohol abuse problem which has undoubtedly diminished his cognitive function. Perhaps the judiciary don’t want to add to the systemic abuses this BOY has already suffered? But I suppose a cumulative punishment regime, further disengagement from society, further physical, emotional and perhaps sexual abuse from other inmates and guards will effectively CHANGE him so he fits more nicely into his box.

It’s been so long since we heard Violet’s criminal sympathising. It’s almost not RA without it!

Lock him up. Treat him there. I don’t think people who CHOOSE to behave like this should have the luxury of freedom.

I too have heard stories about this young boy living in a garden shed at the age of 13 with a severe alcohol abuse problem which has undoubtedly diminished his cognitive function. Perhaps the judiciary don’t want to add to the systemic abuses this BOY has already suffered? But I suppose a cumulative punishment regime, further disengagement from society, further physical, emotional and perhaps sexual abuse from other inmates and guards will effectively CHANGE him so he fits more nicely into his box.

dpm said :

A recent study showed almost a third of inmates have some sort of mental illness:

For those of us without the benefit of a psychology degree, it raises this question: how can a sane person commit mass murder or serial rape? Most randomly selected members of society would think such a person is the definition of nuts.

dpm said :

Violet68 said :

Oh but they have the most magnificent mental health facilities at the AMC……..

A recent study showed almost a third of inmates have some sort of mental illness:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-05/one-third-enter-jail-with-mental-illness-study/4112962
It’s a sad thing that many people with mental health issues seem to break the law, and this is where they end up, but that’s how it is ATM.
Knowing this, I have to ask, if mental illness is the ‘defense’ in this case, what makes this person different to the other 31% of inmates where that reason didn’t keep them out of a jail sentence?
e.g. “Dr Boss also said the Alexander Maconochie Centre, the territory’s jail, was not an appropriate place for a person with a mental impairment.” What about all the others in there with an impairment then? Should they all be released ASAP?

Magistrate Boss has only been in the job for a few months and judging by her comments in this case she will fit in very nicely and no doubt embrace the softly softly approach that has been so pervasive and entrenched under terrific Terry’s watch! l

Violet68 said :

Oh but they have the most magnificent mental health facilities at the AMC……..

A recent study showed almost a third of inmates have some sort of mental illness:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-05/one-third-enter-jail-with-mental-illness-study/4112962
It’s a sad thing that many people with mental health issues seem to break the law, and this is where they end up, but that’s how it is ATM.
Knowing this, I have to ask, if mental illness is the ‘defense’ in this case, what makes this person different to the other 31% of inmates where that reason didn’t keep them out of a jail sentence?
e.g. “Dr Boss also said the Alexander Maconochie Centre, the territory’s jail, was not an appropriate place for a person with a mental impairment.” What about all the others in there with an impairment then? Should they all be released ASAP?

Violet68 said :

Oh but they have the most magnificent mental health facilities at the AMC……..

I can’t comment on that, but they do appear to have a magnificent incarceration facility over there, and that’s definitely where this arsehat belongs.

Here’s hoping one of the car onwers is a nasty piece of work who’ll deal out a bit of payback to this scumbag.

Oh but they have the most magnificent mental health facilities at the AMC……..

bundah said :

The person in question is Jermaine Goolagong who has a criminal record a mile long.He was brought up by his aunt from infancy who apparently tried her best but clearly failed to discipline him.He was a compulsive truant and started getting into mischief before the age of ten.He was brought before the courts at around 13 and apparently the magistrate at the time gave the police a dressing down stating that it was not possible for anyone of his age to have committed the string of offences brought before the courts.Well not only was it possible but he was suspected of numerous other offences which include burglary,destruction of public property,stealing,throwing a large rock which penetrated a window on a moving action bus etc etc.

As for being intellectually disabled well while convenient it in no way excuses his behaviour.He knows the difference between right and wrong,that much i know, but chooses to act and behave with total contempt for the law.

Our esteemed judiciary and social welfare officers feel that the territory’s prison is not an appropriate place for a person with a mental impairment well i would suggest that it is they who are mentally impaired and have no appreciation but total contempt for the standards law abiding citizens expect from them

I often wonder about lawyers who defend those who do terrible things (and in cases repeatedly) but are somehow able to reconcile with themselves that its the ‘right’ thing to bend the truth, outright lie and do what they have to so their client gets the bare minimum or even set free.

Sure, there are those that need a trial to prove innocence or guilt but you do get those people that are caught red handed and have a history of doing what they’re accused of yet a lawyer still will do whatever they can to get their client out of it. It boggles the mind how they come to terms with defending someone who knows they’re guilty as well as the lawyer themselves knowing the person they’re defending is guilty yet they both play their roles.

The person in question is Jermaine Goolagong who has a criminal record a mile long.He was brought up by his aunt from infancy who apparently tried her best but clearly failed to discipline him.He was a compulsive truant and started getting into mischief before the age of ten.He was brought before the courts at around 13 and apparently the magistrate at the time gave the police a dressing down stating that it was not possible for anyone of his age to have committed the string of offences brought before the courts.Well not only was it possible but he was suspected of numerous other offences which include burglary,destruction of public property,stealing,throwing a large rock which penetrated a window on a moving action bus etc etc.

As for being intellectually disabled well while convenient it in no way excuses his behaviour.He knows the difference between right and wrong,that much i know, but chooses to act and behave with total contempt for the law.

Our esteemed judiciary and social welfare officers feel that the territory’s prison is not an appropriate place for a person with a mental impairment well i would suggest that it is they who are mentally impaired and have no appreciation but total contempt for the standards law abiding citizens expect from them

Does he have a driver’s license?

p1 said :

mezza76 said :

“Goolagong’s lawyer Michael Lalor said his client had been diagnosed with a mild to moderate intellectual disability and could not comprehend court proceedings or give instructions to his lawyers.

Mr Lalor said Goolagong had ties to the community, held down a job, played rugby and had a close relationship with his mother.”

I wonder sometimes how lawyers can make conflicting statements like those without being charged with lying to the court. Surely one of those statements must be inaccurate?

Plays rugby and suffers from a mental impairment? No conflict there. I just wonder which one caused the other.

mezza76 said :

“Goolagong’s lawyer Michael Lalor said his client had been diagnosed with a mild to moderate intellectual disability and could not comprehend court proceedings or give instructions to his lawyers.

Mr Lalor said Goolagong had ties to the community, held down a job, played rugby and had a close relationship with his mother.”

I wonder sometimes how lawyers can make conflicting statements like those without being charged with lying to the court. Surely one of those statements must be inaccurate?

dpm said :

mezza76 said :

Apperntly he suffers from mental impairment…
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/alleged-thief-left-licence-in-luxury-car-20120710-21u7w.html

So I expect he’ll be let off with a strongly worded warning.

Yes, his lawyers went with that excuse. Also the evidence ‘appeared circumstantial’, so he’ll certainly be out soon.
Luckily, while we wait for the case to be heard, he is under ‘strict’ bail conditions…! Hahahahaha!

This was my favourite:
“Goolagong’s lawyer Michael Lalor said his client had been diagnosed with a mild to moderate intellectual disability and could not comprehend court proceedings or give instructions to his lawyers.

Mr Lalor said Goolagong had ties to the community, held down a job, played rugby and had a close relationship with his mother.”

Cant understand court proceedings or give instructions to lawyers, but is pretty good at B&E, stealing cars, playing rugby and holding down a job.

Although to be fair Im not sure I can understand court proceedings either sometimes (like this one).

every criminal element ever on trial in canberra for anything pleads mental impairment, learning disability, drugs and alcohol problem or any other excuse – errr reason why they did what they did….

mezza76 said :

Apperntly he suffers from mental impairment…
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/alleged-thief-left-licence-in-luxury-car-20120710-21u7w.html

So I expect he’ll be let off with a strongly worded warning.

Yes, his lawyers went with that excuse. Also the evidence ‘appeared circumstantial’, so he’ll certainly be out soon.
Luckily, while we wait for the case to be heard, he is under ‘strict’ bail conditions…! Hahahahaha!

midlife said :

I fully support the lobbying for a motor sport facility. But when I was young and stupid there was a dragway. Acquaintances were not interested in the dragway they preferred to do their hooning on public roads as these were always open and had no cost of entry or stringently enforced regulations. Please do not make me laugh with the argument that hoons would be reduced by the provision of a facility that would be occasionally open.

yes they are definately two seperate issues and yes hooning and illegal racing did happen back when the dragstrip was operational and will probably continue if we ever do get another one its a pity that these threads on stupid behaviour always seem to end up in a debate on the need for a motorsports park as most of the tools that the threads are about probably wouldnt change their particular behaviours anyway but thats the way it goes i guess…..i for one just cant stop myself from posting the facts when tossers like dph post complete bullshit about the situation. I am not a dragracer myself and never have been but i am involved in motorsport and have been most of my adult life so have a lot of sympathy for the plight of the local dragracers (the legitimate ones that is)

Sandman said :

So he took the WRX to the local shops, left it there, walked back to the scene of the crime, picked up the Cayenne, drove it to Dairy Flat road, walked back across the wetlands, jumped in the Boxter, and then went to church to confess his sins?

Who does that? Or were the cars owners too busy admiring their own awesomeness to notice their cars slowly going missing after having all the keys pinched?

Maybe they were out of the house? Not everyone is a social recluse, chained to their keyboards and fearing the outside world.

cranky said :

There was a fully, privately funded dragway operating in the ACT before the (expletive deleted) Smyth organised for it to be shut down.

I was always under the impression (a pilot told me once) that the airport (and various aviation authorities) weren’t that happy with the location of the dragway (pretty much another runway at the airport, and with ground vehicles doing speeds similar to aircraft) due to potential confusion by pilots.

Of course, from a noise point of view it would make perfect sense to be located right next to where 737s spool up their jet engines.

Sandman said :

So he took the WRX to the local shops, left it there, walked back to the scene of the crime, picked up the Cayenne, drove it to Dairy Flat road, walked back across the wetlands, jumped in the Boxter, and then went to church to confess his sins?

Who does that? Or were the cars owners too busy admiring their own awesomeness to notice their cars slowly going missing after having all the keys pinched?

Apperntly he suffers from mental impairment…
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/alleged-thief-left-licence-in-luxury-car-20120710-21u7w.html

So I expect he’ll be let off with a strongly worded warning.

cranky said :

Please name a sport that is not represented, (and has been funded by Govco) locally.

Bike jousting?

I fully support the lobbying for a motor sport facility. But when I was young and stupid there was a dragway. Acquaintances were not interested in the dragway they preferred to do their hooning on public roads as these were always open and had no cost of entry or stringently enforced regulations. Please do not make me laugh with the argument that hoons would be reduced by the provision of a facility that would be occasionally open.

So he took the WRX to the local shops, left it there, walked back to the scene of the crime, picked up the Cayenne, drove it to Dairy Flat road, walked back across the wetlands, jumped in the Boxter, and then went to church to confess his sins?

Who does that? Or were the cars owners too busy admiring their own awesomeness to notice their cars slowly going missing after having all the keys pinched?

Dilandach said :

G-Fresh said :

On the upside he’d have been able to drive something some of us only dream to drive one day

Put on a nice suit and I’m sure you’d be able to test drive one with the dealer in the car too.

As a bonus, you don’t have to deal with sex attacks in the prison showers for the privilege of a drive.

Where’s the like button on this one? 🙂

And the fact remains that Stanhope brought into law a noise limit that, until modified by the Legislative Assembly, will forever deny anything resembling motor sport in this Territory.

All States and the Northern Territory have been able to establish motor sport noise limits which are locally acceptable, and allow the sport to thrive.

Local enthusiasts have been denied for too long.

bigfeet said :

cranky said :

The wretched Stanhope Gov committed $8mill for the construction of a dragway in one of their early budgets.

Yep. About 7 years ago.

If, instead of sitting back and whineing about how they were robbed for 7 years, the supporter base (which we are continually told consists of a huge number of people), could have organised some sponsers, donated a percentage of their own wages and had a few sausage sizzles and working bees and built the bloody thing by now.

But its much easier to whinge isn’t it.

OK, I’ll bite.

There was a fully, privately funded dragway operating in the ACT before the (expletive deleted) Smyth organised for it to be shut down.

No other social/sporting interest in this Territory has been robbed, lied to and endured the procrastinationthat has been delivered to the motor sport supporters of Canberra.

Please name a sport that is not represented, (and has been funded by Govco) locally.

We have a (OK, QBN) local winning at the pinacle of motorsport, Formula 1, a potential world champion, a craft learned initially at the kart club at Fairbairn.

And please enumerate the number of voters who displayed their sporting interest at the last ACT election. Only the Motorists were an identifiable single interest party, and won almost 5% of the vote.

There is a strong interest in motor sport in the ACT. Why are these people so disenfranchised in relation to any other sporting discipline?

cranky said :

The wretched Stanhope Gov committed $8mill for the construction of a dragway in one of their early budgets.

Yep. About 7 years ago.

If, instead of sitting back and whineing about how they were robbed for 7 years, the supporter base (which we are continually told consists of a huge number of people), could have organised some sponsers, donated a percentage of their own wages and had a few sausage sizzles and working bees and built the bloody thing by now.

But its much easier to whinge isn’t it.

dph said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

The wretched Stanhope Gov committed $8mill for the construction of a dragway in one of their early budgets. Guess that was as big a promise as they could muster. Stephaniac was always a huge supporter, and promised the Libs would go ahead with a track. Bill often competed in local Hillclimbs.

Sonic then pulled every stunt in the book to renege on this promise/budget allocation, finally deciding that reducing the allowable noise to a level about that encountered by basketweavers would stop any development in its tracks. He was right, and the $8mill, less a couple of hundred thou, was recredited to consolidated revenue about three years later.

So please do not keep banging on about lack of political promises for motor sport facilities.

qbngeek said :

willo said :

dph said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

yes they did….more than once and more than one government now go away you ill informed goose

Okay, so before I form an opinion one way or the other would anyone care to provide evidence of the alleged promises?

there is heaps available but since i know it happened i could not be bothered digging up the dozens of links…….here is just one….questions 6-8 are most relevant but the whole thing is a fairly good indicator of the territory’s intentions at the time…..sure have changed their tune though
http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/43069/act_dragway_faq_feb200620.pdf

willo said :

dph said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

yes they did….more than once and more than one government now go away you ill informed goose

Okay, so before I form an opinion one way or the other would anyone care to provide evidence of the alleged promises?

dph said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

yes they did….more than once and more than one government now go away you ill informed goose

dph said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

Even if they did build it, I’d guarantee the family jewels that there would be no reduction in the amount of (naughty words) doing burn outs or driving like maniacs. There would only be excuses for why they didn’t use it.

….its not big enough
….the road is too rough
….cost to go is too high
….its not open long enough
….its too crowded
….too far away

So why bother with it.

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I can only assume that Gantz is using sarcasim in reference to the Hume hoon drivers thread, where people were suggesting that if the gubmint had built a drag strip “like they promised” (which they didn’t), it would curb the problem of hoon drivers.

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

Yeah! The gubmint should buy a whole bunch of high performance cars just let people drive them That’s the gubmints JOB! It’s not a hard concept to grasp.

G-Fresh said :

On the upside he’d have been able to drive something some of us only dream to drive one day

You can pick up a late 90s Boxter for around 25k (probably less), and WRX are cheap as chips (for what they are).

Another reminder to keep your car keys hidden or keep them with you if you are out and about.

Dilandach said :

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I’m frustrated over not having a home cinema setup. I’ll just go steal someon elses.

Why don’t you pay a nominal fee and go to the movies?

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

I’m frustrated over not having a home cinema setup. I’ll just go steal someon elses.

Gantz said :

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

Um… ‘boo-hoo’?

I actually suspect it has more to do with his socio-economic level and upbringing than his ‘need for speed’ but anyway…

This would have never happened if this poor boy had somewhere to drive and get his driver-frustration out his system.

And now, because of this, his only option is to steal from others.

Dilandach said :

Put on a nice suit and I’m sure you’d be able to test drive one with the dealer in the car too.

Or, he could have worked as a vehicle transporter.
Alas I suspect this person would’ve been unable to obtain gainful employment.

G-Fresh said :

On the upside he’d have been able to drive something some of us only dream to drive one day

Put on a nice suit and I’m sure you’d be able to test drive one with the dealer in the car too.

As a bonus, you don’t have to deal with sex attacks in the prison showers for the privilege of a drive.

On the upside he’d have been able to drive something some of us only dream to drive one day

Hopefully this scumbag gets a spell in the clink.

The stupidity… where to begin?

Some lowlife that was driving a standard issue white commodore one day but has a boxter sitting in the driveway the next might attract a little bit of attention….. not to mention the same suburb.

“I don’t have nice stuff so i’ll take someone else’s” good work champ.