28 March 2025

Gallagher says take Dutton at his word: 41,000 APS jobs will be cut from this town

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Finance and Public Sector Minister Katy Gallagher was joined by the ACT Labor MPs, candidates and supporters. Photo: Region.

Katy Gallagher says Canberrans should take Peter Dutton at his word and expect that the 41,000 public servants the Opposition Leader intends to sack will all be from the nation’s capital.

The Finance and Public Service Minister joined her ACT federal Labor MPs in Woden Town Square (which she described as “my hood”) shortly after the Prime Minister called the 3 May election on Friday morning (28 March) to highlight the government’s track record and future commitments.

She said Labor would fight for public service jobs and, referencing Mr Dutton’s budget reply speech from the night before, said it was clear the jobs he was talking about were all Canberra-based.

The Minister said it was up to Mr Dutton to explain how he could sack so many public servants and not have it affect frontline services.

She described the Opposition Leader’s agenda as Canberra-bashing and demonising the public service, but an agenda that should be believed.

It will force the economy into recession, devalue house prices, and see people leave the city, she said.

“We’ve seen this move before; we know what happens,” the Minister said.

“We haven’t seen it on this scale before, but certainly when we’ve had previous Liberal governments – they don’t care about Canberra, and they cut public servants. That is in their DNA.”

Cutting 41,000 Australian Public Service jobs in Canberra would equate to 60 per cent of the biggest employer in the ACT.

Senator Gallagher said the impacts would go right across the economy – the public sector, the private sector – and would affect every single family in this town.

“We have to accept him at his word. That is what he said last night,” she said.

“I cannot understand how you cut 41,000 and say none of them are frontline services because the majority of them are frontline.

“If that is what he is saying to this city, that is 60 per cent of the biggest employer in this city … We have rebuilt the public service. We have made sure that it’s resourced properly, and that’s been a really important part of our investment in Canberra.

“We heard last night the risks posed by a potential Dutton government if he were to win this election.

“He was very clear last night about what he is going to do with this town.

“He said again, and his leadership team have done so as well, that they will cut 41,000 jobs.

“They say Canberra-based jobs. They say they are going to be coming from this town.

“That will decimate this city. It would rip the heart out of this city … And this team, that I am so proud to stand here today with, are the team that are going to stand in Peter Dutton’s way.

“We are going to fight for this city. We are going to argue for it every day. We will challenge them to front up to this city and tell them exactly what they are going to do should they form government.

“Explain it to the people of Canberra. Don’t be weak and just say it on the floor of Parliament. Actually, come and say to people’s faces.”

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Member for Fraser Andrew Leigh, Member for Canberra Alicia Payne and Member for Bean David Smith all vowed to fight for public service jobs.

Dr Leigh described economics as not being a strong point for Mr Dutton, whereas bashing Canberra is.

“For the ACT and Peter Dutton, it’s like he’s in an auction to see how much he can hurt the ACT,” Dr Leigh said.

“First, he was saying he was going to rip 36,000 public service jobs out of this town.

“He claims it would all be in Canberra. That means halving the public sector workforce.

“Now he says 41,000. The vast majority of Canberra public servants would lose their jobs with Peter Dutton’s plans.”

Mr Smith said he would vigorously defend public servants who “play their part in the national story” and local community.

Ms Payne said the whole nation relies on the APS to deliver services and to support the good governance of the nation.

“It is not just an attack on those families and those jobs, but every small business in our city,” she said.

“It is our whole economy … We will fight for those jobs.”

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To be frank… there are a lot of APS that do SFA … you may know of someone, you may even work with them.

Peter Graves10:49 am 31 Mar 25

And you are able to base this assertion on precise knowledge and in-house experience ??

John Pedestrian9:45 pm 29 Mar 25

Bear in mind we don’t have enough tradies and so on and so on…
Many ,hopefully most of those 41 thousand people could be doing something else , something that is far more useful to us than the Crap expensive and often pointless administration-regulation BS that they currently do.

What jobs do you suggest they do?

John Pedestrian10:00 pm 31 Mar 25

Leo 🙂
It’s is a fair question: if those 40 thousand people, really
had to do
something useful
to us as as a nation

Could they do it ,?
I don’t know the answer

Narelle Milligan3:15 pm 29 Mar 25

When John Howard cut the Public Service Canberra business was devastated.Believe Katy Gallagher.Of course after cuts, consultants are employed in some areas but it’s a long haul uphill to provide service to the public.

Labor reduces the number of contractors then employing new Public Servants, Coalition reduces the number of Public Servants then employing new contractors.

The work doesn’t go away. Dutton is essentially saying he’s going to outsource the public service….costing taxpayer more for less.

He really is an idiot.

I think he’s saying that he wants a smaller government with less regulation. Maybe making it easy for all without the overheads. 41000 public servants not to do jobs that add red tape.

Maybe they’re just going to use AI

“I think he’s saying that he wants a smaller government with less regulation”…

How does he achieve that by replacing public servants with consultants? What a ridiculous suggestion.

“Maybe making it easy for all without the overheads.”

What does that even mean? Complete gibberish.

” 41000 public servants not to do jobs that add red tape.”

What fantasy world do you live in? Where is this red tape? What do you think these people are doing? Randomly sacking people doesn’t remove red tape it makes government LESS efficient.

Even if I accepted the idiotic nonsense that Randomly sacking public servants makes government more efficient you do realise that putting 41,000 Australians out of work is a massive hit to the economy?

I don’t agree with disenfranchising anyone but it’s a worry that some people vote.

Bring on the VRs. After many years, I’ve had enough of the public sector. The rush to hire new APS over the last 2 years has brought in a lot of incompetence and laziness, and we didn’t need any more help with that.

Can’t believe a word Gallagher says.

HiddenDragon8:43 pm 28 Mar 25

“The Minister said it was up to Mr Dutton to explain how he could sack so many public servants and not have it affect frontline services.”

That is the essence of it, given that the Coalition claim they would protect frontline services.

A reduction of some tens of thousands might be achieved without adversely affecting frontline services but only over a number of years, and with significant changes to legislation – i.e. with Senate agreement.

Commonwealth withdrawal from areas which are the primary responsibility of the states and territories, with the program funding handed over without detailed conditions attached to it, would be a good start along with major simplification of the tax and welfare systems – which could also yield major administrative savings.

All of that would take a lot of time and political courage – not least because making promises about things like health and education provides federal politicians with valuable opportunities to appear relevant to the daily lives of many Australians.

Foregoing those opportunities for profile-raising and vote-buying would mean working much harder and more effectively in core federal government responsibilities such as defence and managing the national economy – which could be a good thing if done well, but there’s not a lot of evidence that the contemporary political class could lift their game to the necessary level.

GrumpyGrandpa7:07 pm 28 Mar 25

Is it me, or is Katy trying to create fear, in order to save her own job?

Capital Retro5:59 pm 28 Mar 25

Fact check:
1. The 41,000 figure includes the whole of Australia so only about 9,000 positions will be affected in Canberra over a long period.
2. There will be no sackings but a hiring freeze will be implemented.

What absolutely must be remembered is that the current ALP Federal Government has increased the Federal Public Service at a greater rate than even the Rudd/Gillard failed government. Since coming to office that beaurocracy has increased at least 36 and probably up to 40 thousand positions under the Albanese government. This is costing Australian taxpayers an extra 7.1 billion dollars each year. So a major cut-back is not just due its essential.

This is misleading stats though. The Australian population has increased by ~35% since then, and services require staff to administer them. There’s also been massive increases in service delivery in departments such as DSS, Services Australia, and NDIS. Add to that, the largest increase in APS since 2007 is due to the removal of staffing number locks, which saw most departments convert their expensive labour hire contractors to permanent staff – which in fact saved the taxpayer billions. There may still be bloated areas within the APS, but sacking such a large percentage of staff is not the answer. Dutton is just parroting Trump/Musk in the hopes that the average Australian voter has the intelligence of an American

Couldn’t pay me enough to vote for Dutton.

It’s a Catch-22 though as you really can’t believe a word Katie Gallagher says.

I’m sure locals will remember when she was ACT Health Minister and the issues that arose regarding falsified emergency department data?

Never had to answer for it either.

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